Intel vs AMD: The Start of Core Wars

This year has seen a number of CPU releases from both Intel and AMD. AMD’s resurgence with a high-performing x86 core, combined with their performance-per-dollar strategy, has started to make inroads into the markets that AMD lost during its Bulldozer architecture era. When Intel was offering 10 cores for $1700, AMD started offering 8 cores of almost similar performance for $329, marking a significant shift in what the ‘right price’ for a processor should be.

We collated all the tray prices for the recent processor launches for easy comparison, using the launch price of each product. Exact pricing today may differ due to retailers or sales – we have confirmed that these are still the official MSRPs for these processors.

Kaby Lake i7-K vs Coffee Lake i7-K (MSRP)
AMD   Coffee Lake Kaby Lake Skylake-X
  $1199+     i9-7980XE
i9-7960X
i9-7940X
i9-7920X
TR 1950X $999     i9-7900X
TR 1920X $799      
  $599     i9-7820X
TR 1900X $549      
R7 1800X $499      
R7 1700X $390-$400     i7-7800X
  $359 i7-8700K    
  $340-$350   i7-7740X
i7-7700K
 
R7 1700 $329      
  $303 i7-8700 i7-7700  
  $257 i5-8600K    
R5 1600X $240-$250   i5-7640X
i5-7600K
 
R5 1600 $219   i5-7600  
R5 1500X $180-$190 i5-8400 i5-7400  
R5 1400 $169 i3-8350K i3-7350K  
  $149   i3-7320  
  $138   i3-7300  
R3 1300X $129      
  $117 i3-8100 i3-7100  
R3 1200 $109      
  $86   G4620  
  $64   G4560  

Almost every Coffee Lake processor is identical in price to its Kaby Lake predecessor. The main deviations are the K processors, with the Core i7-8700K being +$20 over the i7-7700K, and the i5-8600K being +$15 over the i5-7600K. There is still competition in every segment.

The Competition: Red Mist (AMD)

AMD’s Ryzen and Threadripper parts occupy anywhere from almost $100 for a base quad core design up to $999 for sixteen cores with simultaneous multithreading. It is widely expected that Intel will have a standard instructions-per-clock advantage with its processors, but also Intel is running its processors north of 4.0 GHz for the most part, while AMD is limited by its manufacturing process to 4.0 GHz at best. 

If we do a straightforward price breakdown, the Core i7-8700K ($359) sits almost equally between the Ryzen 7 1700X ($399) and Ryzen 7 1700 ($329). Here this would be a battle of sixteen Zen threads compared to 12 Coffee Lake threads, with the IPC and frequency advantage heavily on Intel’s side. It will be interesting to see where the Core i7-8700 ($303) sits in performance per dollar compared to the Ryzen 7 1700.

The Core i5-8600K ($257) has a nearer neighbor for company: the Ryzen 5 1600X ($248). Before today, this battle was between a quad-core, quad-thread Core i5 against a 12-thread AMD Ryzen chip. With Intel moving the Core i5 parts to having six full cores, albeit without hyperthreading but with a high frequency, it is going to be an interesting battle between the two at this price.

The Core i5-8400 ($182) and Core i3-8350K ($169) sit near the Ryzen 5 1500X ($189) and the Ryzen 5 1400 ($169) respectively. The difference between the Ryzen 5 1500X and the Core i3-8350K would be interesting, given the extreme thread deficit (12 threads vs 4) between the two.

The Competition: Friendly Fire (Intel)

Intel cannot escape competing with itself. Having played with six-core chips in the high-end desktop space, there was ultimately going to be a time when the mainstream platform would start to overlap with the high-end desktop and potentially consume some sales.

As mentioned above, for most of the 8th Generation Coffee Lake processors, the new parts are simple swap-ins for the old ones. The only ones that have a difference of opinion are going to be the overclockable K models.

Straight off the bat it looks like that the new Coffee Lake processors are going to consume both of the quad-core Kaby Lake-X parts. There is a +$10 price difference for the Six-Core Coffee Lake CPUs, but that $10 gets an extra two cores, cheaper motherboards, an easier to understand ecosystem, and if you need it, integrated graphics. On paper it is a no-brainer – quad-core HEDT processors should be dead now.

Comparing the six-core Skylake-X i7 parts to the Coffee Lake-K parts is going to be interesting. Here’s a straight specification comparison.

Skylake i7-7800X vs Coffee Lake i7-8700K
Skylake-X
i7-7800X
  Coffee Lake-S
i7-8700K
6C / 12T Cores 6C / 12T
3.5 GHz Base Frequency 3.7 GHz
4.0 GHz Turbo Boost 2.0 4.7 GHz
1 MB/core L2 Cache 256 KB/core
8.25 MB L3 Cache 12 MB
Quad Channel DRAM Channels Dual Channel
DDR4-2400 DRAM Support DDR4-2666
- Integrated Graphics GT2: 24 EUs
- IGP Base Freq 350 MHz
- IGP Turbo 1.20 GHz
28 PCIe Lanes (CPU) 16
< 24 PCIe Lanes (Chipset) < 24
140W TDP 95 W
$383 Price (tray) $359
$380 Price (Newegg) $380
$363 Price (Amazon) $N/A
$200-$600 Motherboard Price $100-$400

The main two in contention are the Core i7-8700K ($359) and the Core i7-7800X ($389). For a difference of $30, the Skylake-X chip is two generations behind and slower on frequency, but offers quad-channel memory and 28 PCIe lanes for more PCIe coprocessors. While the Coffee Lake will almost certainly win in terms of raw processor performance, features such as DRAM support and PCIe lanes are not to be thrown away lightly. If you absolutely need > 64 GB of memory, or more than two add-in cards, you have no choice but to look at the Skylake-X platform.

Key Comparisons to Look Out For

In the next series of pages, we will go through our benchmark suite. While we have only had time to run through a limited number of tests with the Core i7-8700K and the Core i5-8400, there are two battles worth keeping an eye on:

  • Core i7-8700K vs Core i7-7800X
  • Core i5-8400 vs Ryzen 5 1500X

Hopefully we will get the other components in for review, in particular the Core i7-8700 and Core i3-8100, both of which will be interesting to plot in performance-per-dollar graphs.

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  • masouth - Tuesday, October 10, 2017 - link

    lol, he makes a comment on how SOFTWARE is written and you can't jump off YOUR bandwagon (be it Intel or Neutral) quick enough to heap your scorn.
  • Dolpiz - Saturday, October 14, 2017 - link

    https://youtu.be/oCSkyNHXIAE?t=20m48s
  • quanticchaos - Monday, February 5, 2018 - link

    If you consider Ryzen does not have integrated graphics, Coffee lake beats its TDP hands down.
  • Crono - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    I love the smell of coffee In The Morning
  • IGTrading - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    We know that this is a "short" "pre-review", but it is a bit bizarre that there is no mention of AMD in the conclusion.

    Not that we consider that AMD should be necessarily mentioned in an article dedicated to an Intel launch, BUT Intel's offerings were always discussed in the conclusion section of every AMD review.

    So we would consider it's just fair to remind people in the conclusion as well that the new Coffee Lake chips from Intel are a welcomed addition, but that they are unable to completely dethrone the competition and should be praised for the fact that AMD will be now forced to lower the Ryzen prices a bit.

    The way it is right now, the conclusion is written like Intel is the only alternative, quad or hexa core, with nothing else on the market.

    Personal opinion :

    Despite me being the technical consultant on the team, this was observed by two of my colleagues (financial consultants) and they even brushed it away themselves as "nitpicking" .

    Since I've worked in online media myself, this looks very similar with an attempt to post something to "play nice" with Intel's PR so we've decided to post this comment.

    Therefore we eagerly await Ian's full review, with his widely appreciated comprehensive testing and comparisons.

    Nevertheless, thank you Ian for your work! It is appreciated.
  • eddieobscurant - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    What did you expect, Anandtech is an intel pro review site. They didn't even mention the huge price difference between intel's z370 chipset motherboards required for coffee lake in contrast to amd's b350 chipset motherboards. It's almost double price.
  • RDaneel - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    I haven't been following this closely, but does that mean that b350 boards are about $60? That's incredible! The Z370 I'm looking at is only $120, which didn't seem that bad, but if the b350s are really $60-70, then it might be worth checking out. Are they really that cheap?
  • kpb321 - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    Yup. Newegg shows almost a dozen B350 boards for $60-$70 currently. Most are micro ATX but there are a couple ATX boards in that range currently (after rebate) including "gaming" boards like the MSI B350 TOMAHAWK.
  • name99 - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    Really? Other times I've heard they are a pro Apple review site, a pro IBM review site, and a pro MS review site.
    They really seem remarkably catholic in whom they support.
  • seamonkey79 - Friday, October 6, 2017 - link

    It depends on the article.

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