Conclusions on Ryzen DDR4 Scaling

It is pretty clear to see that Ryzen can be fairly dependant on memory frequency, but it depends very much on the sort of test and the nature of the workload on memory accesses. On the benchmarks where it matters, our memory kit was above to push performance up and over 20%, although despite the few benchmarks where this happened, it was outnumbered by benchmarks that had zero or a very minor effect. Some gaming titles had up to a 5-10% difference in average frame rates, but others had zero change.

To Infinity and Beyond

Determing the sweet spot for Ryzen from our small batch of testing is not so straightforward. From our quick testing, it would seem to suggest that there are performance gains to be had, with slow progress as the data rate increases. A few benchmarks seemed to hit the performance inflextion point around the DDR4-2933/3066 boundary - or basically where the Team Group Night Hawk RGB DDR4-3000 memory kit is positioned.

Aside from the fact of having fasting memory, the speed directly adjusts the potential in AMD’s Infinity Fabric. The IF is AMD's new scalable interconnect found in the Zen CPUs, Vega GPUs, and likely the next few generations of products. Infinity Fabric connects and manages the data flow from each of the cores to each other, as well as to the additional controllers on board. But the effect of faster DRAM and faster IF, on paper, should be a mutually beneficial improvement, and one would take a reasonable guess that AMD will aim to increase both as new generations of products come to market. 

Final Thoughts

Depending on how the results are digested, and how the software can effectively use the new AMD Zen microarchitecture, a relatively decent set of DDR4-3000 (or there abouts) memory seems to be a good inflection point for users that want to invest in faster memory. Obviously using tighter sub-timimgs should help as well, which we'll likely explore in a separate review.

The Team Group Night Hawk RGB memory has served our testing needs well out of the box and it seems like a very reasonable purchase for Ryzen users looking to add a high-performance memory kit. Unfortunately there is no guarantee in the quality of the ICs on board, with Team Group stating that the type of ICs could change over the life time of the product - this will mean that the overclocking capabilities may change depending on the ICs. The memory kit we used in this testing is currently available from Newegg for $173 with a white heatspreader, or $156 with a black heatspreader. Interestingly the black version running at a faster DDR4-3200 is listed at a cheaper $164, but is currently out of stock. 

DRAM Price Comparison: 2x8GB DDR4-3000 with RGB (9/27)
  Black Headspreader White Heatspreader
Team Group
Night Hawk RGB
$156 (Newegg)
CL16-18-18
$173 (Newegg)
CL16-18-18
Corsair
Vengeance RGB
$160 (Amazon)
CL15-17-17
$180 (Newegg)
CL15-17-17
G.Skill
Trident Z RGB
$186 (Newegg)
CL15-16-16
 
GeIL
Super Luce RGB
- $160 (Newegg)
CL16-18-18
ADATA
XPG Spectrix RGB
$180 (Amazon)
CL16-18-18
-

For other RGB-based kits running 2x8 GB at DDR4-3000 with white heatsinks, Corsair's Vengeance RGB are $180 in white or $160 in black, with GeIL's Super Luce in black also at $160. By comparison, ADATA and G.Skill offer similar kits but in black, both at the $180 price point. 

Testing and Analysis by Gavin Bonshor
Additional Commentary by Ian Cutress

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  • Arbie - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - link

    While you're at it, reinstall the spellchecker on his PC. Looks like the DRAM testing broke it.
  • lagittaja - Friday, September 29, 2017 - link

    Ian, .vodka is right about this, you should take a closer look at the sub-timings. Maybe get in touch with The Stilt?
  • .vodka - Sunday, October 1, 2017 - link

    As luck would have it, someone did an excellent piece on what this article tried to explore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6yp7Pi39Z8

    Here's a proper look at how timings and memory speed improves Ryzen performance, on a 3.9GHz 1700x vs a 5GHz 7700k.

    He's using a Vega (much faster than a GTX 980), comparing 2666C16 auto timings, The Stilt's timings for 3200C14 and 3466C14, and 3600C16 with auto subtimings. All B-die.

    Screenshots of the results in five games: https://imgur.com/a/EapgO

    Unsurprisingly, auto subtimings are a disaster with 2666C16 and 3600C16 performing mostly the same in these five games (what you've found in your article), and Ryzen's true performance is hidden in tight subtimings that you have to manually configure and test for. The results are more than worth it.

    Please, have a look in this direction. Get a Crosshair VI Hero and some proper high speed B-die memory capable of those timing sets. Make a follow up article...

    Hopefully future Ryzen iterations will not be as reliant on fast memory to perform like that.
  • Zeed - Thursday, September 28, 2017 - link

    OO You ware faster Maybe they should test RYZEN memory kits like this one ??
    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-dark-pro...

    Or maybe Gskill Ryzen kit ??
  • peevee - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - link

    "he DDR4-2600 value can certainly be characterized as the lowest number near to 45-46% FPS"

    Nonsense alert.
  • Ian Cutress - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - link

    My mistake, edited the sentence one way, then changed my mind and went another route and forgot to remove the %. Updated.
  • Ken_g6 - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - link

    And shouldn't that have been DDR4-2400?
  • Jacerie - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - link

    Why would you only use a Nvidia gfx card in the test bed if the Infinity Fabric is designed to integrate with AMD GPUs as well. Looks like you need to go back to the bench and run these tests again with AMD gfx to get the true results.
  • Dr. Swag - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - link

    Memory clock speed doesn't affect the IF clock speed on AMD GPUs
  • ZeDestructor - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - link

    GPUs don't talk to the CPU using IF, only PCIe. Well, onc consumer desktop anyways - presumably AMD has some crazy IF-IF under testing internally to compete against NVLink, CAPI, OmniPath and InfiniBand

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