Explaining the Jump to Using HCC Silicon

When Intel makes its enterprise processors, it has historically produced three silicon designs:

  • LCC: Low Core Count
  • HCC: High Core Count (sometimes called MCC)
  • XCC: Extreme Core Count (sometimes called HCC, to confuse)

The idea is that moving from LCC to XCC, the silicon will contain more cores (sometimes more features), and it becomes cost effective to have three different designs rather than one big one and disable parts to meet the range. The size of the LCC silicon is significantly smaller than the XCC silicon, allowing Intel to extract a better production cost per silicon die.

Skylake-SP Die Sizes (from chip-architect.com)
  Arrangement Dimensions
(mm)
Die Area
(mm2)
LCC 3x4 (10-core) 14.3 x 22.4 322 mm2
HCC 4x5 (18-core) 21.6 x 22.4 484 mm2
XCC 5x6 (28-core) 21.6 x 32.3 698 mm2

In the enterprise space, Intel has each of the three designs throughout its Xeon processor stack, ranging from four-core parts (usually cut down versions of the LCC silicon) all the way up to 28 core parts (using XCC) for this generation. The enterprise platform has more memory channels, support for error correcting and high-density memory, the ability to communicate to multiple processors, and several other RAS (reliability, accessibility, serviceability) features that are prominent for these markets. These are typically disabled for the prosumer platform.

In the past, Intel has only translated the LCC silicon into the prosumer platform. This was driven for a number of reasons.

  • Cost: if users needed XCC, they had to pay the extra and Intel would not lose high-end sales.
  • Software: Enterprise software is highly optimized for the core count, and systems are built especially for the customer. Prosumer software has to work on all platforms, and is typically not so multi-threaded.
  • Performance: Large, multi-core silicon often runs at a low frequency to compensate. This can be suitable for an enterprise environment, but a prosumer environment requires responsiveness and users expect a good interactive experience.
  • Platform Integration: Some large silicon might have additional design rules above and beyond the smaller silicon support, typically with power or features. In order to support this, a prosumer platform would require additional engineering/cost or lose flexibility.

So what changed at Intel in order to bring HCC silicon to the HEDT prosumer platform?

The short and shrift answer that many point to is AMD. This year AMD launched its own high-end desktop platform, based on its Ryzen Threadripper processors. With their new high performance core, putting up to 16 of them in a processor for $999 was somewhat unexpected, especially with the processor beating Intel’s top prosumer processors in some (not all) of the key industry benchmarks. The cynical might suggest that Intel had to move to the HCC strategy in order to stay at the top, even if their best processor will cost twice that of AMD.

Of course, transitioning a processor from the enterprise stack to the prosumer platform is not an overnight process, and many analysts have noted that it is likely that Intel has considered this option for several generations: testing it internally at least and looking at the market to decide when (or if) it is a good time to do so. The same analysts point to Intel’s initial lack of specifications aside from core count when these processors were first announced several months ago: specifications that would have historically been narrowed down at that point in previous designs if they were in the original plans. It is likely that the feasibly of introducing the HCC silicon was already in process, but actually moving that silicon to retail was a late addition to counter a threat to Intel’s top spot. That being said, to say Intel had never considered it would perhaps be a jump too far.

The question now becomes if the four areas listed above would all be suitable for prosumers and HEDT users:

  • Cost: Moving the 18-core part into the $1999 is unprecedented for a consumer processor, so it will be interesting to see what the uptake will be. This does cut into Intel’s professional product line, where the equivalent processor is nearer $3500, but there are enough ‘cuts’ on the prosumer part for Intel to justify the difference: memory channels (4 vs 6), multi-processor support (1 vs 4), and ECC/RDIMM support (no vs yes). What the consumer platform does get in kind is overclocking support, which the enterprise platform does not.
  • Software: Intel introduced its concept of ‘mega-tasking’ with the last generation HEDT platform, designed to encompass users and prosumers that use multiple software packages at once: encoding, streaming, content creation, emulation etc. Its argument now is that even if software cannot fully scale beyond a few cores, a user can either run multiple instances or several different software packages simultaneously without any slow-down. So the solution to this is rather a redefinition of the problem rather than anything else, which could have applied previously as well.
  • Performance: Unlike enterprise processors, Intel is pushing the frequency on the new HCC parts for consumers. This translates into a slightly lower base frequency but a much higher turbo frequency, along with support for Turbo Max. In essence, software that requires responsiveness can still take advantage of the high frequency turbo modes, as long as the software is running solo. The disadvantage is going to be in power consumption, which is a topic later in the review.
  • Platform Integration: Intel ‘solved’ this by creating one consumer platform suitable for nine processors with three different designs (Kaby Lake-X, Skylake-X LCC and Skylake-X HCC). Both the Kaby Lake-X and Skylake-X parts have different power delivery methods, support different numbers of memory channels, and different numbers of PCIe lanes / IO. When this was first announced, there was substantial commentary that this was making the platform overly complex, and would lead to confusion (it lead to at least one broken processor in our testing).

Each of these areas has either been marked as solved, or redefined out of being issue (even if a user agrees with the redefinition or not). 

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  • extide - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    No, TDP should include Turbo as that is part of the base/stock operation mode of the CPU.
  • IGTrading - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    TDP = Total Design Power by definition.

    This is used to design the motherboard and the cooling system to give designers a clear limit over which the system doesn't go unless it is purposely overcloked.

    Wikipedia : "The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, is the maximum amount of heat generated by a computer chip or component (often the CPU or GPU) that the cooling system in a computer is designed to dissipate under any workload."

    Intel : "TDP (Thermal Design Power) Intel defines TDP as follows: The upper point of the thermal profile consists of the Thermal Design

    Power (TDP) and the associated Tcase value. Thermal Design Power (TDP) should be used for
    processor thermal solution design targets. TDP is not the maximum power that the processor can
    dissipate. TDP is measured at maximum TCASE.1"

    Intel : "Due to normal manufacturing variations, the exact thermal characteristics of each individual processor are unique. Within the specified parameters of the part, some processors may operate at a slightly higher or lower voltage, some may dissipate slightly higher or lower power and some may draw slightly higher or lower current. As such, no two parts have identical power and thermal characteristics.

    However the TDP specifications represent a “will not exceed” value. "

    This is what we've understood by TDP in the past 21 years while in IT hardware industry.

    If you have a different definition, then perhaps we're talking about different things.
  • whatevs - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Specification for 7980xe says "Thermal Design Power (TDP) represents the average power, in watts, the processor dissipates when operating at Base Frequency with all cores active under an Intel-defined, high-complexity workload. Refer to Datasheet for thermal solution requirements."
    There's a different specification for electrical design. This is not your ancient Xeon TDP.
  • IGTrading - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    You mean the definition of TDP should change every year to suit Intel's marketing ?! :)

    "Ancient" Xeon TDP ?! :)

    I've quoted Intel's own definition.

    If the company just came up with a NEW and DIFFERENT definition just for the Core i9 series, then that's just plain deceiving marketing, changing with the wind (read : new generation of products) .

    Plus, why the heck are they calling it TDP ?!

    If they now claim that TDP "represents the average power, in watts, the processor dissipates when operating at Base Frequency with all cores active " then they basically use AMD's ACP from 2011.

    What a load of nonsense from Intel ...

    https://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/white-paper/...
  • whatevs - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    You have quoted 6 year old Xeon definition, different products have different operating conditions, deal with it.
  • Spunjji - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Your name suggests that you're kind of a dick and your comments confirm it. Your point is weak and doesn't at all do the work you think it does.
  • whatevs - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    You may be unhappy with what Intel promised you, but to claim that you could burn a system with increased power usage from turbo clocks is ridiculous, thermal throttling is not fire, and it's ridiculous to argue on a cpu that can run overclocked at >400w power consumption.
  • Notmyusualid - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    +1
  • wolfemane - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - link

    You can't talk rationale with a loyalist sympathizer. TDP is a set definition in the industry and one Intel seems to be misleading about with their Extreme HEDT CPU. That seems to be a fact clearly made among almost all reviews of the 7980xe.

    I think I read a few articles yesterday talking about how the 7980xe was having major issues and wasn't boosting correctly but showing high power draw. But yesterday was a long time ago and I cant remember where I read that.
  • someonesomewherelse - Saturday, October 14, 2017 - link

    So why not call it 'Average Design Power - ADP'?

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