Intel Core i9-7980XE and Core i9-7960X Conclusion

In the 2000s, we had the frequency wars. Trying to pump all the MHz into a single core ended up mega-hurting one company in particular, until the push was made to multi-core and efficient systems. Now in the 2010s, we have the Core Wars. You need to have at least 16 cores to play, and be prepared to burn power like never before. With today’s launch, Intel has kicked their high-end desktop offerings up a notch, both in performance and power consumption.

Pun density aside, both Intel and AMD are pursuing a many-core strategy when it comes to the high-end desktop. Both manufacturers have the same story in their pockets: users need more multi-threaded performance, either for intense compute or for a heavy scoop of compute-based multi-tasking, to include streaming, encoding, rendering, and high-intensity minesweeper VR all at the same time. Due to having so many cores, single threaded performance while under load can be lower than usual, so both companies focus on throughput rather than responsiveness.

The Core i9-7980XE is Intel’s new top-of-the-line HEDT processor. Coming in at 18-cores and drawing 165W, this processor can reach 4.4 GHz at top turbo or 3.4 GHz on all-core turbo. At $1999, it becomes the most expensive (?) consumer focused processor on the market. It is priced at this level for two reasons: first such that it doesn’t cannibalize Intel’s enterprise sales which have a higher profit margin, but also due to Intel’s product stack it fills up several price points from $300 all the way to $2000 now, and with it being Intel’s best consumer processor, they are hoping that it will still sell like hot cakes.

Our performance numbers show that Intel’s best multi-core consumer processor is deserving of that title. In most of our multi-core tests, Intel has a clear lead over AMD: a combination of more cores and a higher single threaded performance compensates for any frequency difference. For anyone with hardcore compute, Intel gets you to the finishing line first in almost every scenario. AMD does win on a few benchmarks, which is something we saw when Johan tested the enterprise versions of Intel's and AMD's CPUs in his review, where he cited AMD’s FP unit as being the leading cause of the performance improvement.

There are going to be three cautionary flags to this tale based on our testing today, for anyone looking at Skylake-X, and they all start with the letter P: Power, Platform, and Price.

Power: In our testing, Intel’s cores can consume between 20W and 7.5W per core, which is a large range. When all cores are at load, as well as the mesh and DRAM controllers, the Core i9-7980XE draws over 190W, well above the TDP rating of 165W. This will cause concern for users that take the TDP value as rote for power consumption – and for any users thinking of overclocking it might also be worth investing in custom cooling loops. The processors from AMD consume ~177W at load, which for two cores less is about the same ballpark.

Platform: X299 motherboards are designed to handle Kaby Lake-X, Skylake-X LCC and Skylake-X HCC processors. Almost all the motherboards should be geared towards the high-end processors which makes platform compatibility a bit of a non-issue, however testing by others recommends some form of active cooling on the power delivery. When investing $1999 in a processor, especially if a user is considering overclocking, it is likely that a good motherboard is needed, and not just the bargain basement model. Some users will point to the competition, where AMD's processors offer enough lanes for three x16 GPUs and three PCIe 3.0 x4 storage devices from the processor at the same time, rather than reduced bandwidth for 3-way and requiring storage to go through the chipset.

Price: $1999 is a new record for consumer processors. Intel is charging this much because it can – this processor does take the absolute workstation performance crown. For high performance, that is usually enough – the sort of users that are interested in this level of performance are not overly interested in performance per dollar, especially if a software license is nearer $10k. However for everyone else, unless you can take advantage of TSX or AVX-512, the price is exorbitant, and all arrows point towards AMD instead. Half the price is hard to ignore.

Users looking at the new processors for workstation use should consider the three Ps. It’s not an easy task, and will highly depend on the user specific workflow. The recommendations ultimately come down to three suggestions:

  • If a user needs the top best workstation processor without ECC, then get Skylake-X.
  • If a user needs ECC or 512GB of DRAM, Xeon-W looks a better bet.
  • If a user has a strict budget or wants another GPU for compute workloads, look at Threadripper.

For those weighing up the Core i9-7960X compared to the Core i9-7980XE, part of me wants to say ‘if you’re going for cores and prepared to spend this much, then go all the way’. If the main purpose is throughput, for the benchmarks that matter, the 7980XE is likely to provide benefit. For multi-taskers, the benefits are less clear, and it would be interesting to get the Core i9-7940X and Core i9-7920X in for testing.

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  • Reflex - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    I'd ask you to post your credentials, but seriously your statements long ago precluded you from being anyone either in the industries you are opinionated about, or with the education to question anyone in those industries.
  • Notmyusualid - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - link

    @ Reflex

    Aaaand... check mate.

    Well done.
  • vgray35@hotmail.com - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    And did you notice that Big Blue has actually lost its marbles and its neurons are misfiring? Both the Core i9-7980XE and the Core i9-7960X have a TDP rating of 165W. However while the latter meets this TDP, the TCore i9-7980XE draws 190W at full load. That is a big no thanks also, when you consider 165W coolers are likely to be installed on the basis of the 165W TDP rating. We haven't even started over clocking yet, and it is likely this CPU will draw in excess of 350W, and one can only pray that thermal paste under the lid will play nice. Or did they really do something different this time around?
  • ddriver - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Those are intel lies. Totally justified, because intel is rich. Not only are intel lies not bad, they are actually good. It makes you more intelligent if you believe in them. Only very intelligent people can get it.
  • ddriver - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Curiously, no word of intel's AMAZING DUAL CORE HEDT i3-7360X here at AT. Lagging behind the cutting edge here :)

    Now that's a real game changer for intel. Although I wish they could launch a single core HEDT processor too. That's really where their portfolio is left gaping.
  • artk2219 - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Big blue is IBM BTW, intel is just intel, or if you want to call them anything else, go with "money grubbing, cheating, anti competitive, bastards who will screw everyone over for a buck in a heart beat". For short.
  • vgray35@hotmail.com - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - link

    Sorry I meant to say Big Blue II
  • AndrewJacksonZA - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - link

    Or, you know, "Chipzilla."

    Just sayin'.
  • artk2219 - Friday, September 29, 2017 - link

    Lol, chipzilla would also work
  • damianrobertjones - Saturday, September 30, 2017 - link

    I've created countless videos, processed a lot of documents, but have never, ever, lost anything due to using standard non-ecc ram. Sure, in work, ALL of the servers use ecc but there's not even one standard desktop with the stuff. STILL no data loss. 32Gb at home and 64Gb in work.

    Yes, okay, I understand that ECC is for x and y, but is it 'really', REALLY, that important?

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