Opinion: Why Counting ‘Platform’ PCIe Lanes (and using it in Marketing) Is Absurd

It’s at this point that I’d like to take a detour and discuss something I’m not particularly happy with: counting PCIe lanes.

The number of PCIe lanes on a processor, for as long as I can remember, has always been about which lanes come directly from the PCIe root, offering full bandwidth and with the lowest possible latency. In modern systems this is the processor itself, or in earlier, less integrated systems, the Northbridge. By this metric, a standard Intel mainstream processor has 16 lanes, an AMD Ryzen has 16 or 20, an Intel HEDT processor has 28 or 44 depending on the model, and an AMD Ryzen Threadripper has 60.

In Intel’s documentation, it explicitly lists what is available from the processor via the PCIe root complexes: here 44 lanes come from two lots of sixteen and one twelve lane complex. The DMI3 link to the chipset is in all but name a PCIe 3.0 x4 link, but is not included in this total.

The number of PCIe lanes on a chipset is a little different. Chipsets are for all practical purposes PCIe switches: using a limited bandwidth uplink, it is designed to carry traffic from low bandwidth controllers, such as SATA, Ethernet, and USB. AMD is limited in this regard, due to spending more time re-entering the pure CPU performance race over the last few years and outsource their designs to ASMedia. Intel has been increasing its PCIe 3.0 lane support on its chipsets for at least three generations, now supporting up to 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes. There are some caveats on what lanes can support which controllers, but in general we consider this 24.

Due to the shared uplink, PCIe lanes coming from the chipset (on both the AMD and Intel side) can be bottlenecked very easily, as well as being limited to PCIe 3.0 x4. The chipset introduces additional latency compared to having a controller directly attached to the processor, which is why we rarely see important hardware (GPUs, RAID controllers, FPGAs) connected to them.

The combination of the two lends itself to a variety of platform functionality and configurations. For example, for AMD's X399 platform that has 60 lanes from the processor, the following combinations are 'recommended':

X399 Potential Configurations
  Use PCIe Lanes Total
Content Creator 2 x Pro GPUs
2 x M.2 Cache Drives
10G Ethernet
1 x U.2 Storage
1 x M.2 OS/Apps
6 x SATA Local Backup
x16/x16 from CPU
x4 + x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
From Chipset
52 Lanes
Extreme PC 2 x Gaming GPUs
1 x HDMI Capture Card
2 x M.2 for Games/Stream
10G Ethernet
1 x M.2 OS/Apps
6 x SATA Local Backup
x16/x16 from CPU
x8 from CPU
x4 + x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
From Chipset
56 Lanes
Streamer 1 x Gaming GPU
1 x HDMI Capture Card
2 x M.2 Stream/Transcode
10G Ethernet
1 x U.2 Storage
1 x M.2 OS/Apps
6 x SATA Local Backup
x16 from CPU
x4 from CPU
x4 + x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
From Chipset
40 Lanes
Render Farm 4 x Vega FE Pro GPUs
2 x M.2 Cache Drives
1 x M.2 OS/Apps
6 x SATA Local Backup
x16/x8/x8/x8
x4 + x4 from CPU
x4 from CPU
From Chipset
52 Lanes

What has started to happen is that these companies are combining both the CPU and chipset PCIe lane counts, in order to promote the biggest number. This is despite the fact that not all PCIe lanes are equal, they do not seem to care. As a result, Intel is cautiously promoting these new Skylake-X processors as having ’68 Platform PCIe lanes’, and has similar metrics in place for other upcoming hardware.

I want to nip this in the bud before it gets out of hand: this metric is misleading at best, and disingenuous at worst, especially given the history of how this metric has been provided in the past (and everyone will ignore the ‘Platform’ qualifier). Just because a number is bigger/smaller than a vendor expected does not give them the right to redefine it and mislead consumers.

To cite precedent: in the smartphone space, around 4-5 years ago, vendors were counting almost anything in the main processor as a core to provide a ‘full core count’. This meant that GPU segments became ‘cores’, special IP blocks for signal and image processing became ‘cores’, security IP blocks became ‘cores’. It was absurd to hear that a smartphone processor had fifteen cores, when the main general purpose cores were a quartet of ARM Cortex A7 designs. Users who follow the smartphone industry will notice that this nonsense stopped pretty quickly, partly due to anything being called a core, but some hints towards artificial cores potentially being placed in the system. If allowed to continue, this would have been a pointless metric.

The same thing is going to happen if the notion of ‘Platform PCIe Lanes’ is allowed to continue.

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  • ddriver - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Don't worry, they get plenty of support from the big boys for all those shamelessly biassed reviews. And don't act like your pennies will go to feed someone's starving children. So yeah, uBlock FTW.
  • pedrostee - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    just curious but do you have any evidence, even a small bit, to support your claim that “they get plenty of support from the big boys for all those...”
    i think it is possible, and you seem a man of science - evidence can support any statement no matter how outlandish — so please present such if you would.
    thnks
  • ddriver - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Obvious stuff is obvious, as are you ;) Nice try thou. Are you the one who is going to pay for evidence searching investigation? I personally don't feel like obvious things need evidence, but if you do, go ahead and investigate.
  • ddriver - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    But the ugliest part is intel went cheap even on a 2000$ CPU, taking a literal dump on it by going for the same old lousy TIM implementation.

    After this reveal from intel, TR looks even better than it did before.
  • Notmyusualid - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    @ pedrostee

    It seems you've finally met the 'village idi0t'. He will provide no evidence, as you likely expected, and we have to endure his bizarre views on ever major article.
  • Reflex - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    He's 2017's version of LordRaiden from around 2004 in these forums. Knows just enough to sound knowledgeable to those not in the industry, but is incapable of supporting his assertions because he is running on the theory that if he believes it in his mind it must be true.

    Look up LordRaiden in the AT forums if you want to see when this last happened.
  • mkaibear - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Yeah, it's hilarious. Anyone who's actually in the IT industry knows he's talking out of his lower orifices and it's always funny to watch him huff about like anyone actually takes him seriously.

    It's like the cat tax. No article is complete without a good laugh at ddriver.
  • Reflex - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    It is unfortunate however because he often derails actually interesting conversations.
  • ddriver - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    Oh wow, the fanclub is sure gradually moving down, and just when it seemed it already hit the bottom. But hey, if pretending that you are not a completely clueless wannabes works for you, by all means, know yourselves out :)
  • ddriver - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link

    You know, I complete agree, however you have mistyped "lame suckers" and typed "IT industry" instead.

    Here is a hint - you cannot take seriously that which you don't have the capacity to understand. Your "best" boils down to clapping and cheering at the mainstream mediocrity to cultivate the illusion that you are smart. And when someone comes along and tears that illusion down, you are sore to realize the reality about you. And you are only left with denial in the form of those pathetically anemic attempts at intimidation through ridicule. But suckers will be suckers, and as suck, always failing to make a valid argument in their favor :)

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