Intel Skylake-X Conclusion

For Skylake-X, and by virtue the Skylake-SP core we will see in upcoming Skylake-SP Xeons, Intel decided to make a few changes this time around. The biggest microarchitecture change comes in three stages: the addition of an AVX-512 unit, the adjustment in the L2/L3 cache structure, and the transition to a mesh-based topology. For the consumer and the prosumer, the biggest wins come two-fold: Intel’s 10-core processors are now set to be around $999, undercutting the previous generation by a sizable amount, but also the introduction of the new X299 chipset based motherboards that act like big PCIe switches and should offer a sizeable amount of attached functionality though additional PCIe controllers.

Microarchitecture

For the AVX-512, part of the mantra is that it should be easier for compilers to vectorize more elements of regular code bases and achieve acceleration, but for the most part it is still an enterprise feature with a focus on cryptography, compute, and the financial services industry. In silicon the unit itself is sizable, and we are told it could almost fit an Atom core inside. This is a big change to make for Intel, as it would noticeably increase the size of the full Skylake-SP core and the full die size, which has a knock-on effect. That being said, this core is targeted towards the enterprise market, which should find plenty of uses for it. It is also worth noting that not all CPUs are equal: the 6 and 8 core parts only have one FMA to play with on AVX-512, whereas the 10-core and above have two FMAs as part of Intel’s feature segmentation strategy.

The L2/L3 cache arrangement adjustments are just as nuanced, moving from a 256KB/core L2 cache to a 1MB/core L2 cache with a slightly higher latency should help with data streams being fed into the core, especially for heavy compute workloads and keeping those AVX512 units fed. The victim, in this case, is the L3 cache, being demoted to a 1.375MB/core non-inclusive victim cache, which will have limited functionality on a number of workloads, most notably compile tests. The overall cache adjustments just about balance each other out, and on average favor the new core by ~1% in our IPC tests, although the edge cases such as compilation, Handbrake (non-AVX512), and Corona can swing as much as -17%, -8% and +17% respectively.

The new mesh topology for the Skylake-SP core was perhaps more of a requirement for consistency than an option over the older ring bus system, which starts to outgrow its usefulness as more cores are added. Intel has already had success with mesh architectures with the Xeon Phi chips, so this isn’t entirely new, but essentially makes the chip a big 2D-node array for driving data around the core. As with the ring bus, core-to-core latency will vary based on the locality of the cores, and those nearest the DRAM controllers will get the best benefit for memory accesses. As Intel grows its core-count, it will be interesting to see how the mesh scales.

Parts and Performance

The three Skylake-X cores launched today are the Core i9-7900X, the Core i7-7820X, and the Core i7-7800X: 10, 8 and 6 core parts respectively using the updated Skylake-SP core, the new cache topology, and the new mesh. With some of the tests benefitting from the new features and others taking a backseat, we had a wide range of results. The most poignant of which should be when we pit this generation 10-core over last generations 10-core. The Core i9-7900X has a frequency advantage, an IPC advantage, and a significant price advantage, which should make for an easy steamrolling.

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In the end, this is what we get: aside from some tests that are L3 memory sensitive such as DigiCortex, WinRAR, and some of the PCMark8 tests, the Core i9-7900X wins every CPU test. For anyone who was unsure about getting the 10-core on the last generation on a compute basis, this new one seems to be the one to get.

The gaming story is unfortunately not quite as rosy. We had last minute BIOS updates to a number of our boards because some of the gaming tests were super underperforming on the new Skylake-X parts. We are told that these early BIOSes are having power issues to do with turboing, as well as Intel’s Speed Shift technology when the GPU is active.

While these newer BIOSes have improved things, there are still some remaining performance issues to be resolved. Our GTX1080 seems to be hit the hardest out of our four GPUs, as well as Civilization 6, the second Rise of the Tomb Raider test, and Rocket League on all GPUs. As a result, we only posted a minor selection of results, most of which show good parity at 4K. The good news is that most of the issues seem to happen at 1080p, when the CPU is more at fault. The bad news is that when the CPU is pushed into a corner, the current BIOS situation is handicapping Skylake-SP in gaming.

I'm going to hold off on making a final recommendation for gaming for the moment, as right now there are clear platform problems. I have no doubt Intel and the motherboard vendors can fix them – this isn't the first time that we've seen a new platform struggle at launch (nor will it be the last). But with pre-orders opening up today, if you're a gamer you should probably wait for the platform to mature a bit more and for the remaining gaming issues to be fixed before ordering anything.

Itching for 18 Cores?

While today is the launch for Skylake-X CPUs up to 10-cores, a lot of talk will be around the 18-core Core i9-7980XE part due later this year, coming out at $1999. Double the price of the 10-core will unlikely equal double the performance, as we would expect lower frequencies to compensate. But users who need 18 lots of AVX-512 support will be rubbing their hands with glee. It will also be an interesting one to overclock, and I suspect that certain companies are already planning ahead to break some world records with it. We’ll try and get a sample in.

Should I wait for the 12-core? For ThreadRipper? Or Just Go Ryzen?

Both the 12-core Core i9-7920X and AMD’s ThreadRipper parts are set to launch this summer, with the Intel part confirmed in the August timeframe. By this time the X299 ecosystem should be settling down, while AMD will have to navigate a new X399 ecosystem, which I’m getting mixed messages about (some motherboard vendors say they are almost ready, others say they’re not even close). Both of these CPUs will be exchanging more cores for frequency, and the cost is a big factor – we don’t know for how much ThreadRipper or the X399 motherboards will retail for.

Ultimately a user can decide the following:

  • To play it safe, invest in the Core i9-7900X today.
  • To play it safe and get a big GPU, save $400 and invest in the Core i7-7820X today.
  • To play it cheaper but competitive, invest in Ryzen 7 today.
  • To invest in PCIe connectivity, wait for ThreadRipper. 60 PCIe lanes are hard to ignore.
  • To invest in AVX512, wait for the next Intel CPUs.

So What’s the Takeaway Here?

From an engineering perspective, Intel is doing new things. The cache, the mesh, and AVX512 are interesting changes from several years of iterative enhancements on the prosumer side, but it will take time to see how relevant they will become. For some enterprise applications, they will make perfect sense.

From a consumer/prosumer perspective, it breaks the mold by offering some CPUs now and some CPUs later. The hardware itself won’t feel too much different, aside from having all the Intel cores and software slowly taking advantage. But Intel’s 10-core, at $999, suddenly got easier to recommend for users in that price bracket. At $599 though, the 8-core saves several hundred dollars for other upgrades if you don’t need AVX-512 or 44 PCIe lanes.

Comparing Skylake-S and Skylake-X/SP Performance Clock-for-Clock
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  • wolfemane - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    First off, comments like yours contribute to absolutely nothing. Making whatever you say completely useless and more appropriate for deleting rather than individuals coming to conclusions based on what they read. At least they are posting on the topic at hand.

    Second, I read the article, and it was well done. My comments were directed at the very end of their conclusion and was basing my comments on a review that came out a few months after the original ryzen review. I got my articles mixed up, owned up to my mistake, and apologized.

    What are you doing? Trolling....? How about adding something creative to the conversation instead of posting utterly pointless and useless dribble? Grow the F up.
  • Ryan Smith - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Wolfe, nested comments only display to 5 deep. They were responding to cheshirster, not you.=)
  • bongey - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link

    Don't be, they hammered Ryzen in gaming performance in their conclusion, even without benchmarks.That is clear evidence of shilling for Intel, following a narrative without any evidence.
    "Gaming Performance, particularly towards 240 Hz gaming, is being questioned,"
    "AMD has a strong workstation core "
  • cheshirster - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    See here
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-...
    fullhd
    i5 7600 - 139fps
    1800X - 99fps
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-...
    Rocker League fulhd
    i5 7500 - 188fps
    1800X - 132fps

    And now they write
    "Our GTX1080 seems to be hit the hardest out of our four GPUs, as well as Civilization 6, the second Rise of the Tomb Raider test, and Rocket League on all GPUs. As a result, we only posted a minor selection of results, most of which show good parity at 4K"

    RoTR and GL, same games, same bad results, just different brands and now they are not going to publish them.
  • Ryan Smith - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    It's important to note that the articles you quote are from the Ryzen 5 launch, which was over a month after the X370 platform. A lot of Ryzen's issues had been fixed in the weeks before.
  • bongey - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link

    In your conclusion intel shill
    "Gaming Performance, particularly towards 240 Hz gaming, is being questioned,"
    "AMD has a strong workstation core "
  • koomba - Thursday, July 6, 2017 - link

    Uhh, not sure what you are remembering, but Anandtechs initial Ryzen review most certainly did NOT include gaming benchmark.

    I think it's slightly amusing how many people here in the comments immediately jumped down the reviewers throat over no gaming reviews and the reason given for that. And then they proceed to spin that into some kind of perceived bias against Ryzen, like the author has some AMD bashing agenda.

    You, and several others, are literally inventing "facts" to support accusations of bias and unequal treatment. Then to top it off, trying to say Anandtech reviewers are fan boys.

    But in reality, the entire basis of all these claims of bias, etc is completely fabricated. So much for all that huh? Almost seems like overly defensive, some might even say fan boy behavior. Irony is present. lol.
  • bongey - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link

    Nope they just bashed Ryzen in gaming in the conclusion even without benchmarks.
    "Gaming Performance, particularly towards 240 Hz gaming, is being questioned,"
    "AMD has a strong workstation core "
  • Slappi2 - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Wow AMD gets stomped here. No way I would buy an AMD CPU after seeing that.
  • R0H1T - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Sure now enjoy your 10 core space heater ~
    www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-7900x-skylake-x,5092-11.html

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