Comparing Skylake-S and Skylake-X/SP Performance Clock-for-Clock

If you’ve read through the full review up to this point (and kudos), there should be three things that stick in the back of your mind about the new Skylake-SP cores: Cache, Mesh and AVX512. These are the three main features that separate the consumer grade Skylake-S core from this new core, and all three can have an impact in clock-for-clock performance. Even though the Skylake-S and the Skylake-SP are not competing in the same markets, it is still poignant to gather how much the changes affect the regular benchmark suite.

For this test, we took the Skylake-S based Core i5-6600 and the Skylake-SP based Core i9-7900X and ran them both with only 4 cores, no hyperthreading, and 3 GHz on all cores with no Turbo active. Both CPUs were run in high performance modes in the OS to restrict any time-to-idle, so it is worth noting here that we are not measuring power. This is just raw throughput.

Both of these cores support different DRAM frequencies, however: the i5-6600 lists DDR4-2133 as its maximum supported frequency, whereas the i9-7900X will run at DDR4-2400 at 2DPC. I queried a few colleagues as to what I should do here – technically the memory support is an extended element of the microarchitecture, and the caches/uncore/untile will be running at different frequencies, so how much of the system support should be chipped away for parity. The general consensus was to test with the supported frequencies, given this is how the parts ship.

For this analysis, each test was broken down in two ways: what sort of benchmark (single thread, multi-thread, mixed) and what category of benchmark (web, office, encode).

 

For the single threaded tests, results were generally positive. Kraken enjoyed the L2, and Dolphin emulation had a good gain as well. The legacy tests did not fair that great: 3DPM v1 has false sharing, which is likely taking a hit due to the increased L2 latency.

On the multithreaded tests, the big winner here was Corona. Corona is a high-performance renderer for Autodesk 3ds Max, showing that the larger L2 does a good job with its code base. The step back was in Handbrake – our testing does not implement any AVX512 code, but the L3 victim cache might be at play here over the L3 inclusive cache in SKL-S.

The mixed results are surprising: these tests vary with ST and MT parts to their computation, some being cache sensitive as well. The big outlier here is the compile test, indicating that the Skylake-SP might not be (clock for clock) a great compilation core. This is a result we can trace back to the L3 again, being a smaller non-inclusive cache. In our results database, we can see similar results when comparing a Ryzen 7 1700X, an 8-core 95W CPU with 16MB of L3 victim cache, is easily beaten by a Core i7-7700T, with 4 cores at 35W but has 8MB of inclusive L3 cache.

If we treat each of these tests with equal weighting, the overall result will offer a +0.5% gain to the new Skylake-SP core, which is with the margin of error. Nothing too much to be concerned about for most users (except perhaps people who compile all day), although again, these two cores are not in chips that directly compete. The 10-core SKL-SP chip still does the business on compiling:

Office: Chromium Compile (v56)

If all these changes (minus AVX512) offer a +0.5% gain over the standard Skylake-S core, then one question worth asking is what was the point? The answer is usually simple, and I suspect involves scaling (moving to chips with more cores), but also customer related. Intel’s big money comes from the enterprise, and no doubt some of Intel’s internal metrics (as well as customer requests) point to a sizeable chunk of enterprise compute being L2 size limited. I’ll be looking forward to Johan’s review on the enterprise side when the time comes.

Benchmarking Performance: CPU Legacy Tests Intel Skylake-X Core i9-7900X, i7-7820X and i7-7800X Conclusion
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  • AnandTechReader2017 - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    And no load/idle? And clockspeed at full load?
    Also, no mention of Intel drawing more than the rated load?
  • AnandTechReader2017 - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Sorry, missed the paragraph under on refresh.
  • wolfemane - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Seriously... you don't post gaming results because of bios issues? Seems RYZEN had issues due to premature bios as well but that sure as hell didn't keep you all from posting results anyways.

    I was going to give kudos to you guys as I was reading the article for excluding gaming reaults on workstation CPU's. But nope, you had to add that little blurb there at the end.

    Pretty god damn shameful if you ask me. Post the results, then do a follow up when venders get their crap together and release reliable bios. The same venders that blamed AMD for their inability to create half way decent bios.
  • Ryan Smith - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Unfortunately it's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for us. The Skylake-X platform is still quite immature in some respects, and Intel did not give us a ton of lead-time in testing it. The BIOSes only came in a bit before Ian had to get on a plane. So we've been racing the clock for the past week trying to pull things together.

    What we do have are a set of incomplete data that still shows some issues. But we need time to further validate that data, and even more time to write about it. Both of which have been in short supply over the last few days.

    Mentioning gaming at all is because we wanted to point out that there are still issues, and that anyone who is primarily interested in gaming is likely best served by waiting, rather than jumping on Intel's pre-orders.
  • wolfemane - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    I GET where you are coming from. But you (Anandtech) had no issues posting AMD Ryzen results knowing full well that the x370 platform was far *FAR* from mature. Anandtech and other reviewers didn't hesitate to mention all the bugs possibly holding the platform back. But you still posted the results. As you should have.
  • Ian Cutress - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Err, what? Our Ryzen 7 review did not have gaming benchmarks.
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-an...
  • wolfemane - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Well... guess how incredibly stupid I feel? If I could retract my comment I would. I'll go reread the launch review again.
  • cheshirster - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    No need to apologize
    Here are gaming tests on DDR4-3000 @ 2400 downclocked memory
    With Ryzens BADLY underperforming in RoTR and Rocket League pretty much published
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-...
    And for Intel they write this
    "Our GTX1080 seems to be hit the hardest out of our four GPUs, as well as Civilization 6, the second Rise of the Tomb Raider test, and Rocket League on all GPUs. As a result, we only posted a minor selection of results, most of which show good parity at 4K"
  • DanNeely - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Check the dates; that was published about 5 weeks after the initial Zen review that Ian linked to above. The initial one didn't have any gaming data yet; because in both cases the release day situation was too broken.
  • melgross - Monday, June 19, 2017 - link

    Yeah, it's usually considered to be proper to first read about what you're commenting upon.

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