Upcoming Hardware, Desktop Coming Later Appendix: Kaby Lake Fact Sheets


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  • someonesomewherelse - Thursday, September 1, 2016 - link

    Are you talking about single thread IPC or total chip? I think that single thread IPC improvements are going to (or already have) become too expensive for most applications and without programmer/compiler help. Things that vectorize well are probably the last area where large improvements are realistic. But this will either require great programmers that can actually utilize current (AVX2) and future SIMD instructions in their code + higher development costs or dropping support for older cpus (neither sounds good). Per chip IPC is probably easier but you still need good programmers/compilers or the use of multiple expensive applications at the same time (why not play a game while encoding 3 videos.... with enough cores/threads/cache/memory bw/io b this would work) .

    Clocks could still be increased if you are willing to accept high power consumption and expensive cooling.

    However unless Zen is an extreme success Intel has no reason to do this since slow and expensive increases are more profitable and they have no reason to do this.
  • akmittal - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    Any chance to see these in this year's macbook lineup. Reply
  • lilmoe - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    As much as I dislike Apple's ways, sometimes they do things for a reason.

    1) Apple seems very hesitant to bother with Skylake because the various problems/bugs associated with the new architecture. It seams that Haswell/Broadwell is doing the job good enough for them and the "new features" aren't worth it in their general assessment. Macbooks are more media consumption/creation-centric and they're probably waiting on the new fix-function features.

    2) Cost and profitability. If the above is true, it makes sense to stay with Haswell/Bradwell to maximize profit. Just like how they're using 3 gen old AMD graphics.

    3) Lower than expected demand? Not so sure, but possible.

    4) And I'm being hopeful here: *Zen* (and future HBM APUs). Keller has a history working "with" Apple, and they actually like his designs which play well with their OS(s). I'm being hopeful because Apple's marketing prowess and branding may be the beacon AMD (and the competitive market) needs to unleash the new platform and drive Intel to a corner forcing them to lower prices.
  • tipoo - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    There was a Zen iMac APU rumor, but I doubt the Macbooks would get it unless AMD pulled a real coup with Zen power draw. Reply
  • KPOM - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    New MacBook Pros are expected in October, though. Those would be Skylake unless Apple has plans to use the 4.5W chips TDP upped to 7W, which I highly doubt (maybe in an updated MacBook Air, but I doubt that the Air will get an update). Reply
  • nils_ - Thursday, September 8, 2016 - link

    Seems Apple hasn't announced any new Macbook Pros... On the other hand, they probably get a lot more profit on selling outdated hardware. Reply
  • BillBear - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    According to Paul Thurrott, Microsoft was not at all happy with the general bugginess of Skylake.

    >while Intel has never formally confirmed this, my sources at Microsoft and elsewhere have told me that Skylake, the original “tock” release following Broadwell, was among the buggiest of chipsets that Intel has ever released. Problems with Skylake are at the heart of most of the issues that Microsoft has seen with its Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book devices, and it’s fair to say that the software giant now regrets delivering the very first Skylake-based devices into the market in late 2015.

  • KPOM - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    So don't expect them to rush out a Surface Pro 5 or Surface Book 2 until they are comfortable there are no bugs? Reply
  • iwod - Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - link

    As much as I dislike Apple's ways, sometimes they do things for a reason.
    Not sometimes, but EVERYTHING. With Apple, if you dont understand why they did something, it is highly likely you overlook rather then something they skip over.
  • lilmoe - Saturday, September 3, 2016 - link

    Everyone does everything for a "reason". Most times than not, I don't like those reasons.
    I should have clarified; sometimes they do things for a *good* reason. Keyword here is "sometimes", IMO.

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