"We are told that transistor density has not changed, but unless there’s a lot of spare unused silicon in the die for the wider pitch to spread, it seems questionable."
With the taller fins they're increasing the drive current which each fin provides. A transistor uses several fins, depending on how much current it has to drive. By using taller fins Intel can get away with fewer of them and hence can place them further apart and reach the same transistor density.
ok so lots of marketing BS in this article, not anand's fault, rather intel's.
So what i'm seeing is virtually no IPC improvements, not even 1-2%, all gains are coming from optimized max turbo clockspeeds. GPU is what see's the majority of the improvements, however there are a few fixed function blocks on the CPU that are new for VP9.
Intel is doing mobile first yet again. I dont blame them, those mobile chips are waay overpriced and have the most profit margin. $300 core M CPU anyone?!?!, or how about a $450 quad core mobile i7. Yeah same ol tricks coming from intel. Won't be long before intel is irrelevant, i'd say within 10 years, mostly due to AMD's recent IPC gains and ARM taking a bigger part of the market if the Intel Fabbed Apple iPhone Chips rumors pann out. Some say apple will move all their mobile to arm, and they will all be fully custom by apple, but made by 10nm and 7nm intel foundries.
I disagree on most points but I have to agree with you with Intel's current strategy. I know they can release the 10nm parts this year. It might painful and expensive and works for the near-term, but as ARM continues to build bigger and faster parts, the gap is becoming smaller throughout the years.
Next thing they'll know (Intel), people will start using PCs based on ARM. Microsoft's strategy of releasing and maintaining an ARM based OS (Windows phone) wasn't bad as it looks now. Intel is ignoring the mainstream/consumer market who funds the R&D and tools required for the lucrative products in the server/enterprise market.
Well, Windows on ARM didn't work out (RT), unlike Android on x86, which is good. But maybe with UWP Microsoft will have another go -- they've opened pathways to get legacy software on to UWP, which would enable processing on ARM.
No it doesn't. Full UWP-Apps will run on any platform, but legacy software (i.e. x86 software) that has just been packed as UWP App (so it can be sold via the Windows Store) won't be able to run on anything but x86 platforms.
For me, looking to buy a new laptop end of this year, is hoping that this will drive Skylake laptops prices down further. However given that Kaby Lake is probably releasing to retail Q1 next year, I don't think I will see much in that beyond the savings from the holiday pricing.
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Arbie - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
How did we get to 7 pages of comments and no flame war yet? Who's not here?fanofanand - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
Vlad and ddriver. Once they get here all hell will break loose like usual.th3z3r0 - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
Seems like a decent upgrade for notebooks and for 4k videos.http://www.notebookcheck.net/Kaby-Lake-Core-i7-750...
MrSpadge - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
"We are told that transistor density has not changed, but unless there’s a lot of spare unused silicon in the die for the wider pitch to spread, it seems questionable."With the taller fins they're increasing the drive current which each fin provides. A transistor uses several fins, depending on how much current it has to drive. By using taller fins Intel can get away with fewer of them and hence can place them further apart and reach the same transistor density.
negusp - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
Doh! There goes my hopes for proper Skylake support on linux.Morawka - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
ok so lots of marketing BS in this article, not anand's fault, rather intel's.So what i'm seeing is virtually no IPC improvements, not even 1-2%, all gains are coming from optimized max turbo clockspeeds. GPU is what see's the majority of the improvements, however there are a few fixed function blocks on the CPU that are new for VP9.
Intel is doing mobile first yet again. I dont blame them, those mobile chips are waay overpriced and have the most profit margin. $300 core M CPU anyone?!?!, or how about a $450 quad core mobile i7. Yeah same ol tricks coming from intel. Won't be long before intel is irrelevant, i'd say within 10 years, mostly due to AMD's recent IPC gains and ARM taking a bigger part of the market if the Intel Fabbed Apple iPhone Chips rumors pann out. Some say apple will move all their mobile to arm, and they will all be fully custom by apple, but made by 10nm and 7nm intel foundries.
zodiacfml - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
I disagree on most points but I have to agree with you with Intel's current strategy. I know they can release the 10nm parts this year. It might painful and expensive and works for the near-term, but as ARM continues to build bigger and faster parts, the gap is becoming smaller throughout the years.Next thing they'll know (Intel), people will start using PCs based on ARM. Microsoft's strategy of releasing and maintaining an ARM based OS (Windows phone) wasn't bad as it looks now. Intel is ignoring the mainstream/consumer market who funds the R&D and tools required for the lucrative products in the server/enterprise market.
Meteor2 - Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - link
Well, Windows on ARM didn't work out (RT), unlike Android on x86, which is good. But maybe with UWP Microsoft will have another go -- they've opened pathways to get legacy software on to UWP, which would enable processing on ARM.tobi1449 - Tuesday, September 6, 2016 - link
No it doesn't. Full UWP-Apps will run on any platform, but legacy software (i.e. x86 software) that has just been packed as UWP App (so it can be sold via the Windows Store) won't be able to run on anything but x86 platforms.Cliff34 - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
For me, looking to buy a new laptop end of this year, is hoping that this will drive Skylake laptops prices down further. However given that Kaby Lake is probably releasing to retail Q1 next year, I don't think I will see much in that beyond the savings from the holiday pricing.