At Flash Memory Summit, Samsung announced their fourth generation of 3D NAND and several of the more obvious SSD upgrades it enables. Taking a page from Intel and Micron's strategy book, they also announced a new memory type and corresponding SSD product while saying essentially nothing about what the new memory actually is.

The fourth generation 3D NAND bumps the layer count up to 64, compared to the 48-layer design used by the third generation V-NAND that was announced last fall and has been slowly rolling out to their SSD products over the course of this year. So far Samsung has talked about a 512Gb TLC part, and at least initially the MLC parts will probably be made from the same die and thus have two thirds the capacity. (Samsung's second generation 3D NAND was initially available as 128Gb TLC or 86Gb MLC, with 128Gb MLC parts introduced later.) The new NAND also supports an increased interface speed of 800Mbps, which is key to reducing the performance penalty that comes from consolidating more flash onto fewer independent chips.

With a per-die capacity of 512Gb (64GB), Samsung can now put 1TB of TLC flash in a single package. This means most product lines will be seeing an increase in capacity at the high end of the range. Their BGA SSD products will be offering 1TB capacity even in the 11.5mm by 13mm form factor. The 16TB PM1633a SAS SSD will be eclipsed by the new 32TB PM1643. Likely to be further out, the PM1725 PCIe add-in card SSD will be succeeded by the PM1735 with a PCIe 4 x8 host interface.

Complementing the NAND update will be a new non-standard oversized M.2 form factor 32mm wide and 114mm long, compared to the typical enterprise M.2 size of 22mm by 110mm. A little extra room can go a long way, and Samsung will be using it to produce 8TB drives. These will be enterprise SSDs and Samsung showed a diagram of these enabling 256TB of flash in a 1U server. Samsung will also be producing 4TB drives in standard M.2 sizing.

In what is likely a bid to steal some thunder from 3D XPoint memory before it can ship, Samsung announced Z-NAND memory technology and a Z-SSD product based around Z-NAND and a new SSD controller. They said nothing about the operating principles of Z-NAND, but they did talk about their plans for the Z-SSD products.

Samsung Z-SSD is being marketed as addressing the performance gap between DRAM and SSDs. Samsung's slides during their keynote showed some performance comparisons against the PM963 NVMe TLC SSD and against an unnamed "PRAM based" solution. The logical point of comparison would be against 3D XPoint NVMe drives, but Samsung can't have real performance and power numbers on those when they're still under development by Intel and Micron. Thus the PRAM based solution Samsung refers to is probably one of their own earlier R&D efforts that didn't make it to market. The Z-SSD ties or comes out ahead on every benchmark Samsung showed, but NVMe NAND flash SSDs were missing from the power consumption comparison.

The slides stated that there will be a 1TB Z-SSD this year and 2TB and 4TB Z-SSDs next year, while the press release issued later states that more generally that the Z-SSD is expected to be released next year. The press release also states that Z-NAND "shares the fundamental structure of V-NAND and has a unique circuit design and controller that can maximize performance". Given that, the launch timeframe and capacities that are only a little lower than NAND flash SSDs, it seems that Z-NAND isn't drastically different from existing memory technologies and it may even be little more than SLC flash in disguise, trying for a comeback.

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  • fanofanand - Thursday, August 11, 2016 - link

    You should definitely contact your state attorney general and show them the "facts" you have put together, go after them for false advertising! I'm sure you have FAR more industry insight than little ol' Intel. Reply
  • shabby - Thursday, August 11, 2016 - link

    "Micron representatives indicated that the company based these statements on the speed of the actual storage medium (at the cell level) before it is placed behind the SSD controller, firmware, software stack and drivers. These factors conspire to increase latency and decrease the performance of the final solution (i.e., the SSD)."

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-micron-3d-x...
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  • ddriver - Thursday, August 11, 2016 - link

    Yeah, that's like claiming you have an engine that can do a 1000 miles on a gallon of fuel. But hey, that's the engine driving itself only, put it in a vehicle and suddenly it is no better than your average engine...

    BTW nowadays almost everyone false-advertises, and nobody seem to care. It is practically trivial to bypass the laws allegedly aiming to stop false advertising.
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  • close - Thursday, August 11, 2016 - link

    The controller and firmware optimizations can make or break any storage. That's why Samsung's 840 EVO can be either a great or a shitty product depending in which stage of its life you happened to use it.

    Don't judge a preview sample before the product (and technology) has time to properly mature. Or at least until the 5.25" version comes out ;).
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  • ddriver - Thursday, August 11, 2016 - link

    I hope you do realize the moment I have money to throw away, I will R&D a 5.25" HDD, if only to break it over your head ;) I mean come on, don't you really have anything better than your belief a 5.25" HDD doesn't make sense only based on the lazy and greedy industry which can't be bothered to make it?

    There is nothing preventing nand from benefiting massively from improved controllers as well, caching and increasing parallelism. It can work miracles in terms of bandwidth and iops, and can hide a lot of the latency too. By the time xpoint "matures" it will be on par with contemporary nand SSDs. But hey, when intel said "1000x better" they probably meant **any** nand storage, say like a good old SD card LOL.
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  • name99 - Friday, August 12, 2016 - link

    No it's not. I hate Intel as much as the next person, but you are being deliberately obtuse here.
    Optane in SSDs is a tech demo, it's not the end game. The whole point is that it CAN run "as a pure engine" without SSD controller, software stack, etc. Flash CANNOT do that, and can't be improved to do that.
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  • Xanavi - Thursday, August 11, 2016 - link

    You don't seem to understand Resistive techology at all then. It is a metal that changes it's geological state, it literally will hold its state forever, and will not wear out anywhere near close to NAND holding electrons destruction levels. Their concern is the parts that change the state via hotspots, that part my wear out closer to 1000x better, but the element itself? More like One MILLLION times better. Reply
  • Xanavi - Thursday, August 11, 2016 - link

    As for the speed, the element can change state in nanoseconds, it is likely the controller and interface that is limiting its potential at this time. You have no idea how different this technology is and what it can do in the future. Read up brah. Reply
  • JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, August 11, 2016 - link

    Yeah, they should take a cue from nVidia about honesty. You know, how completely "honest" they were about a GTX 970 having "4GB" of memory. Reply
  • name99 - Friday, August 12, 2016 - link

    Missing the point. The value of optane/XPoint is in the direct memory bus attachment. Using it to create SSDs is dumb. Flash is harder to attach to the memory bus directly because of the page size issue --- you'd need to cut the page size down to something like 128 bytes and that is surely not practical.

    Putting persistent storage directly on the memory bus allows for essentially in-memory database speeds, without the cost of hitting the OS and IO systems to persist data. THAT is why optane is interesting.
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