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Holiday Guide Update and a quick look at the J&W A785GMT-Extreme
Holiday Guide Update and a quick look at the J&W A785GMT-Extreme
Date: November 30th, 2009
Author: Gary Key
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Raja and I have been working on a Holiday Guide the past couple of weeks and hopefully we will complete it this week. Our emphasis has been on finding components that offer a great bang for the buck even though they might not be the absolute best in their class. While we will offer our opinions on what is best in class, our focus has been on balanced performance, support, and features versus cost. A really good example is the ASRock X58 and P55 Extreme boards that offer a great set of features and performance for excellent pricing in each category. While they will not satisfy the needs of extreme overclockers, for the other 98% of us, they offer a really great value. Just like the Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P, MSI 790FX-GD70, and ASUS M4A77TD Pro have in their respective categories.

That said, there are a lot of great choices currently in the lower end market, especially in the AMD 785G camp. The 785G boards are just terrific values for building a SOHO centric platform that will be primarily used for office applications, Internet, communications, and casual gaming. This is especially true when paired up with an Athlon II based processor. Really, current Intel S775 processors in the sub $100 market teamed with a G41 based board just do not have what it takes to compete with the AMD products in this price sector. Intel has a competitive answer coming early next year, but until then AMD is the wise choice.

J&W is one of our favorite second tier suppliers and they have a winner in the 785G market with their new JW-A785GMT-Extreme board. This product compares very favorably with the Gigabyte and ASUS 785G offerings and actually makes for a great SFF gaming platform for those who just use a single graphics card. Our testing to date with a Phenom II X4 965BE and AMD HD 5850 leads us to believe this a great combination for the gamer centric user on a budget or as an all around gaming/media center with a HD 5770 and Athlon II X2 550BE.

The JW-A785GMT-Extreme features a great five-phase PWM design that fully supports 140W processors, Realtek ALC 888 8-channel HD audio, Realtek RTL8111D Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394a via the JMicron JMB381 chipset, 12 USB 2.0 ports, HDMI/DVI/VGA output, 16GB DDR3 support, six SATA 3G ports via the SB710, and on-board graphics capability thanks to the update HD 4200 IG engine with full DX10.1 and UVD 2.0 support. J&W also throws in 128MB of DDR3 side port memory. There are three fan headers, with the CPU fan header having speed and temperature settings.


The layout of the board is very good and includes an LED Debug display along with power on and reset buttons.





Initial performance ranks right with the Gigabyte and ASUS 785G boards when it comes to overclocking. Our results with the 965BE were superb as the board allowed stock voltage overclocks to 3.87GHz with our GSkill Ripjaws DDR3-1600 4GB C8 kit reaching DDR3-1720 at 9-9-9-24 2T timings.

Bumping up the CPU VID to 1.43V resulted in 24/7 stable 4.07GHz clocks under Windows 7 64-bit with NB speeds at 2.86GHz, something we have not been able to do under a 64-bit operating system until now. The BIOS is geared for the overclocker with significant settings available for memory and voltage tuning. That said, memory timings are not as aggressive past 1600 as the Gigabyte or ASUS boards but this board typically clocked our CPU about 70MHz higher at like voltage settings. We will take a further look at this board in the near future but for now, anyone looking for a very high quality 785G motherboard should place the JW-A785GMT-Extreme at the top of their list.



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What about warranty service? by Zap, 71 days ago
I miss how Anandtech used to try contacting the motherboard manufacturers for support and warranty. I bring this up because a friend of mine had purchased a J&W Minix board (socket AM2 mini ITX) and it died in the second day of operation. That in itself is not so unusual as such "infant mortality" can happen to any brand/manufacturer. The distressing part was that he was unable to get warranty service from J&W, who only seems to exist in Taiwan. Most people just want a good product at a good price, but that becomes useless if you end up with a doorstop.

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RE: What about warranty service? by kenwong, 68 days ago
Hi Zap, J&W doesn't have an official distributor in Taiwan,
if you've bought the board which is not carried by a local distributor,
maybe you should contact J&W directly for RMA service.

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RE: What about warranty service? by alfredska, 57 days ago
I also miss this aspect. We know AnandTech is going to get preferential treatment from manufacturers by identifying themselves as such. We would like to hear how service rates for a typical computer enthusiast who is sure of a problem with (insert product here) and contacts the manufacturer through typical support lines.

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RE: What about warranty service? by fox12789, 41 days ago
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Where is the big P55 motherboard comparison article Gary? by Adelaidean, 71 days ago
I've been waiting to see this for a long time now - is it still coming or has the article been shelved?

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RE: Where is the big P55 motherboard comparison article Gary? by FoolishFool, 70 days ago
Good call Adelaidean, I thought I was the only one that has been patiently waiting/wondering about the P55 article.

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RE: Where is the big P55 motherboard comparison article Gary? by jonup, 69 days ago
No you are not. I am still waiting as well. And know that they threw in the Asrock Extreme in the mix I want to see an even larger comparison.

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RE: Where is the big P55 motherboard comparison article Gary? by cvanyar, 61 days ago
Still waiting... ten days since this update and no Holiday Guide. Really looking forward to it guys, now give it up! :)

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Availability? by jdparker520, 71 days ago
Is this product sold in US?

It's not on newegg, google comes up with nothing but this site and a bunch of sites in another language, and the manufacturer's site doesn't sell them directly.

Cool board, butt how do I get one?

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RE: Availability? by GeorgeH, 71 days ago
Yeah, that threw me as well. According to their website, they have one US distributor, but that distributor doesn't have anything on their website. The other US distributors that Google found appear to be sold out of all J&W products.

The other major English-language regions listed on the J&W website, UK and Australia, have 0 and 1 distributor, respectively. That 1 distributor did appear to have J&W motherboards in stock - so if you're in Australia, I suppose this is a relevant article:
http://www.altech.com.au/

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Q by Visual, 70 days ago
I remember there was some fuss with that chipset at launch, but I've not kept track if it is resolved or not...

Does multi-channel audio over HDMI or DVI work?
Are the DVI and HDMI ports usable together, or does the VGA port always need to be used in a two-monitor setup?


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RE: Q by nemer, 70 days ago
I do not think we have something like Athlon II 550 be...

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Nice Board! by MoonMouse, 70 days ago
Nice board but where to buy? Also the RipJaw link points to a DDR3-1333 CL8 @ 1.5V kit...

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J &W and other products of this class in Japan by tyaiyama, 70 days ago
This will be my 1st experience with J&W. But considering even first tier MSI has very poor support in the US this year, I am more than willing to go for this Extreme. VRM design is awesome for this class of product. I know it is marketed almost the most expensive one in this class. I live in Japan now, and the following are contenders with yen price attached. The only demerit is its form factor being mATX, and I know they will ship ATX version soon.
BIOSTAR TA785G3 7,125
ASRock M3A785GMH/128M 7,980
M3A785GXH/128M 8,980
Asus M4A785TD-M EVO 9,930
M4A785TD-V EVO 10,530
GigByt GA-MA785GPMT-UD2H Rev.1.0 10,271
GA-MA785GT-UD3H Rev.1.0 10,280
MSI 785GM-E65 10,560
J&W JW-A785GMT Extreme 10,974

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785G mobo round-up when ? by haplo602, 70 days ago
almost every other HW site did a 785G mobo roundup. anandtech seems to be sleeping (or I am blind). I saw remarks from AT folks that it is in the making but after abour 3 months I am giving up ... seems I have to find a different HW site for my daily round ...

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RE: 785G mobo round-up when ? by P4spooky, 70 days ago
I agree - many "promised roundups" at AT never seems to materialize. 785, P55 to state a few. After sales support is important especially if you use machines for work/business. For this reason I have stayed with Asus who have excellent support in the US.

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RE: 785G mobo round-up when ? by haplo602, 69 days ago
well there were a couple of P55 articles and single mobo reviews. but after the initial 785G article there was NONE, ZERO, NULL 785G articles. this blog post is the first in monnths I can remember.

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RE: 785G mobo round-up when ? by zipzoomflyhigh, 69 days ago
If there's already several floating around the internet, why does Anandtech need to do a review too?

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RE: 785G mobo round-up when ? by haplo602, 68 days ago
becasue they might actualy pick different models than those already reviewed ?

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RE: 785G mobo round-up when ? by mindless1, 67 days ago
Because when the same 'site does the review, same reviewer(s), there is some consistency in it, the context of experience with other boards, and why wouldn't AT want to review something that brings readers here instead of them going off to another 'site?

J&W though, I don't care so much whether the product exists if there's nowhere to buy it, nor would I pay a premium for an off-brand mATX board even if it looks cheap compared to some w/intel chipsets and there is limited support for it. Then again fair is fair, if they don't sell them in the US you wouldn't expect a US support team either.

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Now that you've shown us a mainboard... by LoneWolf15, 69 days ago
Where can we find it?

NewEgg doesn't list the JW-A785GMT-Extreme. I did a Google search just by the name, and so far have come up with nothing. I also have no guidelines for price, since I couldn't find any domestic (US) vendors for it.

It looks like this board isn't available for purchase yet.

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RE: Now that you've shown us a mainboard... by Wixman666, 69 days ago
You have got to be joking. I will never in a million years purchase a board that doesn't have support in the USA with a phone number. It's worth another $20 in a heartbeat. Why? If you have to ship anything outside the US that weighs more than a letter, you just spent that $20 and more. I'd buy an Asrock board before this thing any day. You can call them and talk to a live person in about 2 minutes.

If you have having a hard time finding a distributor for that board in the US, stay far, far away.

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RE: Now that you've shown us a mainboard... by kenwong, 68 days ago
RE: Now that you've shown us a mainboard... by Wixman666, 67 days ago
Lovely... you just showed me. ONE distributor in all of the USA. It's probably one guy in his 200 square foot industrial space importing these from China. Check the same with ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, even Biostar or Asrock and the list is a substantial one.

BUYER BEWARE.

Thanks, but again, no thanks. Not worth saving $20 for a potential nightmare. Last time I checked, even guys flipping patties at In-N-Out burger made almost $10 an hour.

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RE: Now that you've shown us a mainboard... by ggathagan, 67 days ago
It's not even that good.
It's some discount distributor who, from the look of what is being sold, specializes in refurbished monitors and low-end speakers.

The site's biggest selection is P4 socket 478 motherboards.
Yeah..... I'll pass.


Oh, wait!! They have an R/C boat....


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Vapor Hardware? by AndroidVageta, 69 days ago
Where in the hell can this be purchased? I mean, I'm a long time PC hard ware enthusiast and I've never even heard of J&W! Let alone seen anything from them...this review is pointless to say the least...

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RE: Vapor Hardware? by LoneWolf15, 68 days ago
I don't think it's J&W, I think it's JW --as in JetWay.

That said, to mention a board as part of a "Holiday Recommendation" article when they're not even available in North America was, IMO, a real mistake.

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RE: Vapor Hardware? by kenwong, 68 days ago
J&W and Jetway are 2 different companies...

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RE: Vapor Hardware? by LoneWolf15, 67 days ago
If so, then my mistake.

Interesting though that in three days, no-one from Anandtech has responded to the posts about this mainboard not being available for sale in North America.

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RE: Vapor Hardware? by jarman, 67 days ago
Agreed. Two many bad signs for this motherboard. STAY AWAY!!!

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RE: Vapor Hardware? by kenwong, 65 days ago
jarman, where did you see the "signs"?
seriously are you nuts?

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RE: Vapor Hardware? by kenwong, 62 days ago
well, I don't think a good board would become bad simply because it is not available in the US, what's the logic inside?

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enter? can it? by kenwong, 65 days ago
I think none of the existing brands would like to see this brand to enter to the US market at all

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J&W M/B status by tyaiyama, 57 days ago
Last weekend I have conducted DIY PC workshop in Tokyo, Japan. Three of four people have tried to assemble J&W M/B JW-A785GMT-Extreme. And one person assembled Gigabyte GA-MA785GT-UD3H. One of J&W failed due to bad BIOS ROM. Then he went to replace it with a new one to Akihabara. He came back with another JW-A785GMT-Extreme. He assembled it again. This time it failed to produce DVI output.

I can say that Anandtech got the cream of puff M/B tested hard at J&W before shipment. True, the design of M/B is very good considering Micro ATX factor, but I doubt about the skills of technicians, and Q/C people over there.

Thus I need to meet him to assemble a successful JW-A785GMT-Extreme this coming Wednesday. We may need a couple more of this one to replace. But who cares we are near Akihabara, and can replace it within 2 weeks if there are initial defaults.

Anyway at this time 2 out of 4 of JW-A785GMT-Extreme are bad. It's a coin toss situation. Good luck to all of you who are not near Akihabara.

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RE: J&W M/B status by kenwong, 56 days ago
The board has 2 BIOS ROMs, do you see that? This is quite strange because:
1.) Even if the 1st ROM failed, the 2nd ROM can be utilized to boot;
2.) the 2nd ROM can be used to recover the 1st ROM, there is a recovery mode;
why returning the board without conducting these steps? very simple indeed.

and if the DVI failed, the HDMI would failed also because both came out from the chipset.


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RE: J&W M/B status by kenwong, 56 days ago
and thus, in my opinion, for the 1st case the board need not to be returned certainly because the board has "DUAL BIOS" w/ recovery feature.
while for the 2nd case, if it's caused by the chipset failure or damage during transportation, it has to be returned for sure. However, such problems shouldn't cause by QC because as far as I know J&W does 4 QC checks on every board. I believe most vendors conduct very well QC but DOA (dead of arrival) is still unavoidable as they couldn't control how the boards will be treated after they left the factory. For example, you don't know how the courier guys would handle the cartons...

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RE: J&W M/B status by tyaiyama, 55 days ago
I know it has dual BIOS. But it kept recovering it for ever for the 1st failed M/B. Is it not recovering from 2nd BIOS? If not, where does it come from?
I did not have a converter; thus I could not check HDMI port. But it probably failed.
He brought the 2nd failed M/B to the shop. The shop support people asked him to come back after 2 hours. He did. The shop confirmed that the 2nd one is also faulty. And we did not know how many failed M/B the shop used to come up "appear to be perfectly running" M/B. Anyway the shop took him inside the support section, and showed him a running M/B. Then they disassembled it. Finally he got a running M/B.
Viva Akiba! Where else in the world we can deal with this kind of product?

Yesterday he brought the M/B, and we tested by running Ubuntu 9.10. It seems good. Now I asked him to do memory testing. And he told me the interim report it's running properly so far.

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RE: J&W M/B status by kenwong, 14 days ago
got 2 returned boards with loosened HDMI switch jumper, so you know why...

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Phenom II X4 955BE C3: supported or not? by AgoeZ, 36 days ago
Did this motherboard support for the latest Phenom II X4 955BE C3? I've been looked to the official JW website but I didn't found that the motherboard's BIOS supported the latest C3's processor.

Thanks for the answer! :D

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