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The Cable Chronicles: CableCARDs for the Masses at Last
The Cable Chronicles: CableCARDs for the Masses at Last
Date: September 15th, 2009
Author: Ryan Smith
 
 

From: An End To Unencrypted Digital Cable TV and the HTPC?

On a final note, the loss of ClearQAM access is likely going to be followed by the loss of some fraction of the HTPC market, where users will not find as much value in a device that can no longer watch or record live TV from their cable company. Because of this potential nosedive in the HTPC market, I would be very surprised if Microsoft stayed entirely mum on the issue. They've put a lot of effort into Windows Media Center as a TV viewing platform and HTPC suite over the years, and this drives a stake right through that given the low adoption of CableCARD systems.
As it turns out Microsoft has not stayed mum on the issue. At CEDIA 2009 they gave us our answer: CableCARD is going to come to the masses.

More specifically, CableLabs - the notoriously paranoid R&D and certification arm of the cable TV industry - is finally going to drop its requirement that CableCARD tuners are only used with computers they approve. What’s replacing this is a more nebulous requirement that we’ll get to in a moment, but the ultimate result is that it will finally be possible to buy a CableCARD tuner off of the shelf and use it with most computers, not unlike (and not completely like) you can do today with analog and ClearQAM tuners. Furthermore there will be no additional access restrictions – anything a CableCARD is authorized to receive, will be allowed to be played by a CableCARD equipped PC. We finally have the whole enchilada, and it’s only 3 years later than Microsoft wanted it and nearly a decade after widescale use of digital cable began.

To be frank, we’re not sure what Microsoft has done to get CableLabs to loosen their grip on matters. Certainly there is a DRM component in the use Microsoft’s fairly new PlayReady DRM system, and it’s very likely that the use of Win7’s new Protected Broadcast Driver Architecture is also part of that solution. Beyond that we don’t know what other concessions or bribes were offered at this point, but whatever it was it was enough for Microsoft to finally get their foot firmly in the door of cable television after so many years of trying.

Much of what Microsoft had to do should become apparent once they release their CableCARD compatibly verification tool. The tool, announced at the same time as the rest of the CableCARD announcement, will check whether a PC can “support the solution” so that PC owners can confirm ahead of time whether they’ll be able to use a CableCARD tuner with their PC. Clearly this is some kind of DRM verification cool, but we’re in the dark in the moment as to what it’s going to be checking for. Given the paranoia over at CableLabs, our best guess is that they’re looking to have CableCARD equipped systems locked down similarly to Blu-Ray – this would entail the use of PBDA to securely deliver the stream, and HDCP as an output requirement, with the verification tool checking for all of this. In this case HDCP is the big question; will it be required for digital displays (probably) and will this extend to blocking analog output?

A timeline was not given, but since this is all related to Windows 7, presumably we’ll see everything on the software side come together near Win7’s public launch on Ocotober 22nd. Hardware is going to be a different matter however. Up until now CableCARD tuners have been a one-company game: ATI and their OCUR tuners. We know that Ceton and Hauppauge will be launching tuners, but it’s sounding like those won’t show up until late this year at the earliest. That would leave ATI’s tuner, and we can’t currently confirm whether that’s going to be openly sold and allowed to be used as part of these newly relaxed requirements. Even if the ATI tuners are allowed, they’re going to be a bit of a stopgap solution – they don’t support the use of multistream cards (M-Cards), which means a tuner and CableCARD is necessary for each stream. This is less preferable than the block of tuners + M-Card approach taken by most current CE devices (e.g. Tivo) and forthcoming products like Ceton’s.

Moving on, a few other bits of news came out of CEDIA. Along with wider CableCARD support, Switched Digital Video (SDV) support will be in Windows 7 Media Center. Since the supported tuners are all unidirectional, this will require additional hardware through the use of a rented Tuning Adapter to send channel requests to the head-end. SDV has seen limited deployment thus far, but as cable companies look for additional ways to conserve limited bandwidth, SDV will be seeing wider deployment.

Finally, once again with the cooperation of CableLabs, existing CableCARD computer setups using the ATI tuners will finally start releasing their grip on some recorded programming. Among the various copy protection flags in use is Copy Freely (which as the name implies, means the broadcaster imposes no restrictions), which CableLabs has never allowed CableCARD equipped computers to actually follow. A firmware update will be coming soon for ATI’s tuners that will allow them to pass on the Copy Freely flag along to Windows, which in turn will get Windows to allow copies to be made. It hasn’t been made clear to us whether “freely” will be completely followed however, or if these copies will have DRM on them that limits further copies and what devices they can be played on.

Ultimately, if there’s a downside to any of this, even the lightest DRM requirements will impose a strict limit on who can take advantage of CableCARD tuners. Right now it’s Windows Media Center-only, and that’s probably not going to change. We would be seriously shocked if Apple got Mac OS X on board any time soon, and Linux users (e.g. MythTV) need not apply due to the lack of DRM. Even other Windows DVR applications like SageTV and BeyondTV would be questionable, again for DRM reasons.

Given the impending lockdown of cable TV systems through Privacy Mode, the loosening of restrictions is certainly a good thing; it ensures that there’s still going to be a place for the HTPC when it comes to watching and recording live TV. However the loss of variety in HTPC software and the costs of renting newly-required hardware (CableCARDs and tuning adapters) mean that it’s certainly not a victory for all HTPC users. As it stands, utilizing the analog hole is still going to be the ultimate bridge between cable TV and the HTPC for those that don’t want to live in Microsoft’s world.
 

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Finally!! by Spivonious, 66 days ago
Finally the cable companies will have some competition to their $5-$10 per month box rentals.

And my HTPC will finally be able to watch and record non ClearQAM channels.

It's a good day for media!

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RE: Finally!! by Aeternum, 66 days ago
Well your lucky then cause we need to have their box to descramble the channels anyway. Though it would save on the need to get their pvr i suppose :P

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RE: Finally!! by rikulus, 66 days ago
Not only that, but the CableCARD rental fee is close to the full cable box rental fee. Worse yet, a quick look at my Time Warner channel lineup indicates that of our ~90 HD channels, only 11 are available through CableCARD... 5 local stations, ESPN, 4 pay movie channels, and the Time Warner news channel. So, not exactly opening up the world of HD programming to my computer.

Hauppauge PVR-1212 seems like the solution everyone should be looking at, at least to record HD. Take the component stream right from the cable box.

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RE: Finally!! by Fanfoot, 62 days ago
The other channels are PROBABLY being switched using Switched Digital Video (SDV) in your area. Time Warner in particular has been relatively aggressive about rolling out SDV. It allows them to change the logical binding between a channel ("HBO", Channel 510) and the frequency and program number it is bound to (587MHz, Program 2). Basically it means that any SDV channel that isn't being watched by anybody in your neighbourhood doesn't take any bandwidth. And the channels that are being watched can be in different places on the cable each time.

This is what the Tuning Adapters are for. Windows 7 is going to support these. Yes its stupid. You'll need BOTH a cable card to decode the channels AND an external set top box (sort of, at least it looks like one) to handle the channel changing. Yes it can handle multiple channels at the same time. It basically sends your request for the channel upstream. They're supposed to rent you these for FREE. We'll see how that works out in general.

Go on over to the Tivo forums and you'll see what fun people are having with these things. That'll be you when this support rolls out.

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RE: Finally!! by Spivonious, 66 days ago
You need to read more about CableCards. You can already receive the unencrypted channels with a simple Clear QAM tuner. CableCards let you receive the encrypted channels.

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RE: Finally!! by dfedders, 66 days ago
Sure, if you mean by charging $5 a month for a cablecard... :)

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Too little too late by schizoide, 66 days ago
With the recent release of the ambarella chipset, it's now feasible for consumers to affordably encode HD through the analog hole. It'll only get cheaper as time passes and other competitors release chips capable of realtime HD encoding at consumer-friendly prices.

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Some people are idiots by vwgtiron, 66 days ago
OK, you do not need to have a PVR to use these. Because you are going to place this into your computer. If you read the article, you would see these will be available retail, to purchase!.

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Yay by dagamer34, 66 days ago
I just setup my DIY CableCard HTPC yesterday and am LOVING it. One thing that I keep getting though is channel dropouts, so I'm getting an amplifier to fix that.

I can't wait for Windows 7. It's gonna be great!

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Ridiculous DRM... by greylica, 66 days ago
Finnaly, their ridiculous DRM VIsta Imposition found it's way into Win 7.

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Tuning Adapter Information by SocrPlyr, 66 days ago
Ryan,

You state, "Since the supported tuners are all unidirectional, this will require additional hardware through the use of rented Tuning Resolvers, with one resolver required per tuner."

First off the industry has (about a year ago) stopped using the term resolver and started using adapter so it is "Tuning Adapter." Second, your information seems incorrect as the tuning adapter already support working with at least two tuners (e.g. TivoHD). Now I do not know exactly how they are set up, but maybe they meant per separate tuning card / device.

I do not know how they decided to make the tuning adapters work, but if they do in fact require multiple to be connected to the same PC it is a complete waste. All the adapter does is gets a channel map, requests channels, receives tuning information about requested channels, and reports if channels are still in use. Under those requirements it would have been insanely stupid of them if it can't work with multiple tuners as the functions are all completely independent of the tuners (as they don't need a tuner to do anything, although without a tuner you have no need to request the channels). Now that being said I am sure they came up with some stupid way of making them that there are drawbacks and isn't as simple as I just made it out to be. However, it seems illogical that they would go a step backwards from what the Tivo has already implemented.

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RE: Tuning Adapter Information by Doormat, 66 days ago
This is what I came to get clarification on - each cable card gets one TA or a M-stream cable card would need between 2 or 4 TAs depending on how many streams the host adapter (PCI-E CableCard host) can handle.

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RE: Tuning Adapter Information by Ryan Smith, 66 days ago
SocrPlyr, thank you for that information. I actually wasn't aware Tuning Adapter had replaced Resolver as the preferred terminology, so that has been corrected.

As for the number of Adapters needed, my contact had originally told me that it was one per tuner, which is why I wrote what I wrote. This appears to have been an error in communication (i.e. they meant something else) and we now seem to be in agreement that a computer will only need 1 Adapter. The article has been corrected as such.

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Wow I am excited by cbuchach, 66 days ago
Well, I had long thought that I would eventually have to ditch my HTPC (at least the TV functionality) when i wanted to fully transition over to digital cable. With this annoucement that need not occur and I am actually excited. I have been using a MediaCenter PC for about 4-5 years now and do really like all the functionality and such. If I can by two digital tuners and slap a cable card in, that would be great!

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on demand? by jkresh, 66 days ago
I am definitely looking forward to this, have been using a hauppauge pvr 1212, for a while and it works pretty well but cablecard support would be better (and mean one less component to worry about). Main question I have is on, on demand. Currently ati's occur only works in 1 direction so it can't handle on demand, I would much prefer any cable card option I buy to be able to fully replace the cable (or fios) box. Does anyone know what the situation with on demand would be with the new cablecard tuners?

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RE: on demand? by Fanfoot, 62 days ago
You can't handle On Demand access with this setup. You need support for the whole tru2way Java machine, which wasn't announced here, to get that. Even Tivo hasn't announced their "Series 4" that will supposedly support that, and in fact the cable industry is way behind in their promised support for this (might mean its dead). We'll see whether Sony/Panasonic et al deliver any TVs with tru2way support this Christmas/next CES. That'll give you a general hint.

For now if you want On Demand, you need a STB.

The other way this *might* work is that the whole TV anywhere thing *might* allow you to access the on demand content over the internet if you're a cable TV customer. Sort of a private Hulu sort of thing. Too early to tell.

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An offer... by petersterncan, 66 days ago
"To be frank, we’re not sure what Microsoft has done to get CableLabs to loosen their grip on matters. "

I bet you they made them an offer "they couldn't refuse"... hee hee hee...

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Microsoft Only by johnsonx, 66 days ago
Of course it must be noted that this is a Microsoft Only development. Those of us who prefer 3rd party PVR apps will have no recourse.

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RE: Microsoft Only by sbrown23, 65 days ago
Blame CableLabs and their stringent requirements and horrendous qualification process for that. They are such paranoid tools. CableCard should have been available to Media Center and other media apps years ago.

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Too Little Too Late.....Maybe. by shortark, 66 days ago
I have a 5TB windows home server rig...fully supports storage and sharing of recorded TV programs, an AT&T CE device using Microsoft MediaRoom to tune U-verse, and an Xbox 360...which was shown at the 2007 CES using MS MediaRoom Software to tune IPTV and the supposedly be able to store it on a Home Server.
So it would seem to make more sense if MS would simply use the 360's as a TiVO competitor, storing Recordings on the HDD or Server, instead of taking it the HTPC Route. Especially since they stand to gain more from selling a hardware/software solution than a software only solution.
All of that being said, I'm personally tired of having 3 different Microsoft machines plugged into my TV + a server, when they have overlapping capabilities.
Call me crazy, but even though I have a 680i q6600 1.6TB rig with blu-ray asus zonar, and the whole bit running to my 1080p plasma and 7.1 DTS/Dolby-MA Tuner as my HTPC, I think that the ideal way for MS to position itself would be to promote the idea of using the server itself to tune tv, and then stream it in extender fashion to the Xbox 360s. Or at the very least have a single HTPC decked out for TV Reception, storing on the server and accessible to any 360 as an extender.
I guess my real concern, if this new tuner actually pans out is
1: will be able to store my recordings on the server and then access them via 360?
2:will I be able to record 4 or more channels at a time?

If not then this is as much of a turd in the punch bowl as ATI's Occur, and no advantage at all to my current AT&T provided IPTV DVR.

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RE: Too Little Too Late.....Maybe. by bobbozzo, 64 days ago
"I think that the ideal way for MS to position itself would be to promote the idea of using the server itself to tune tv, and then stream it in extender fashion to the Xbox 360s."

Great idea, but since MS Home Server 1.0 was based upon Win2003, it doesn't support drivers for most of the modern tuners, and doesn't have the requisite DRM.
Sites like this speculate that MS Home Server 2.0 (or whatever) might be able to do this, but who knows when.


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bi-directional PC receivers... by Targon, 66 days ago
You have to expect that SDV will make its way into the TV tuners made for computers, but it may take some time for this to happen. With newer technologies, and the allowance for cable TV operators to record at the company instead of just to set top boxes though, the demand for TV tuners may very well drop.

As far as the monthly charge from cable operators for CableCard use, I suspect a good reason for this is the higher cost of supporting these at this point. Think about it, how much does it cost to have the tech come to a house and set up the CableCard, which can take hours? $5 per month for you might only add up to less than a year, but there are other people out there who are involved in just getting the CableCard setup working for your installation, and the cable companies will want that cost covered. If CableCard were actually common, then the price might only be $1 per month instead of the $5 per month.


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RE: bi-directional PC receivers... by agsGeoff, 65 days ago
I am with Charter, and they charge $2 per card.

One reason we originally went with TiVo was that the cable co was charging $15 pm for a DVR. TiVo fee was only $13. Then came the cablecards. We then had to pay $4 for those - and the installation fee for a man to insert a cable card and call the cable co to activate it. All he did was read the information from the screen. Something I could easily have done from home. He left and we "hoped" the card would activate in a few hours.

Now, with SDV, I have to get ANOTHER box from the cable co. I'm sure there will be another fee for that.
Of course the HUGE advantage of having a DVR (either cable co or mine) in the house and not at the Cable headend is that when we loose cable service (which is frequently with Charter) we can still watch shows that we have already recorded. If the show is held at the headend, then I am without any TV.

From what SocrPlyr said, it sounds like the Tuning adapter/resolver/Tru2way or whatever they are calling it this week, could be attached with just one card no matter how many tuners the machine has built in 2,3,4.... Of course, that would be a revenue drop for the Cable co so I'm pretty sure that that will not happen.

The 2 way part has not bothered me yet because the only thing that I am missing with TiVo is the VOD option, which whenever we have tried using it in the past it has not worked. we always receive communication errors or they double bill us for watching a show more than once within a 24 hour period, so we just stopped using it. Now we just use Amazon VOD.

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RE: bi-directional PC receivers... by Fanfoot, 62 days ago
The tuning adapter is what you need for SDV. It'll be a cable box like thing, hooked up to your computer, and inline on the Coax cable. It'll support as many tuners as you've got. Well, well it isn't crashing. Yes its a horrible kludge. Yes they may charge you a rental fee. For now it can't be built into the computer. Your cable company is again required to make this available to you, though they may tell you otherwise.

tru2way is what you need to do VOD/On Demand. It would also allow you to get rid of that ridiculous tuning adapter. Mostly it isn't supported yet. A few TVs support it and a few cable systems support it, but that's all.

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WIll this work with Dish Network or Direct TV? by ap90033, 65 days ago
I hope this isnt stupid but will this work with Dish Network or Direct TV? Will it do HD and SD and allow for multiple recordings at the same time?

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RE: WIll this work with Dish Network or Direct TV? by bobbozzo, 64 days ago
Dish and DTV don't use QAM, so no, this won't work to tune them.


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RE: WIll this work with Dish Network or Direct TV? by ap90033, 63 days ago
Well that is useless to me, and many then. Thanks.

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I'll Miss Sage TV, but... by DFranch, 64 days ago
When tuners become available I'll have to ditch Sage TV and switch back to Media Center. I really love Sage, but the ability to record encrypted HD is just too good to pass up.

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Cablevision multistream card is $2 per month and SDV adapter is free. by mikepers, 64 days ago
I'm in Long Island, NY and use Cablevision with my Tivo HD.

The Tivo uses a single multistream card to be able to tune two HD channels at once. Cablevision charges $2 a month for the card. I also have the SDV tuning adapter. Cablevision provides the adapter for free. Only one tuning adapter is needed for the M-stream card.

I did the lifetime service with the Tivo so basically my monthly costs are just the $2 per month for the M-stream card.

That's opposed to either two HD cable boxes which would cost about $20 per month (and would have no DVR capability) or Cablevision's DVR which I did not like and was about $10 a month.



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RE: Cablevision multistream card is $2 per month and SDV adapter is free. by platinum1, 60 days ago
Just a Quick FYI, with the Ceton and other cards that support M-cards, they will support 2 way communication and SDV without the tuning adapters. This is the other (and in my mind just as important) feature of the new tuners for win7. Cards in my area are also only $2 per month which is a lot less than the cable box rental fees.

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RE: Cablevision multistream card is $2 per month and SDV adapter is free. by RickNY, 56 days ago
How do you figure they wont require the tuning adapter? M-cards does not equal two-way communication with the head-end.

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