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Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 - P55 uATX Goodness for Under $105 - Updated
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 - P55 uATX Goodness for Under $105 - Updated
Date: August 28th, 2009
Author: Gary Key
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We will finish up our P55 previews this weekend (or later) with a couple of new boards from ASUS and Biostar. In the meantime, I just wanted to comment on the Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2. I have over a dozen P55 boards in the labs with several more arriving shortly. Already, two motherboards have risen to the top in regards to overclocking performance and a couple of boards have really impressed me with their balance of great performance and excellent feature sets.

That said, this particular board has been the most fun so far in testing. However, I will confess that I am partial to solid performing, budget priced, uATX form factor boards so my comments on these products tend to have some rah-rah in them if they perform well. Speaking of performance, I cannot comment on the numbers due to the NDA. Even though we have half a dozen retail purchased processors, memory kits, coolers, and this motherboard, Intel is sticking to their guns about violating the NDA release on i5/P55.

So that leaves me with providing vague comments like the board having a very good performance to price ratio. Maybe something along the lines of "I just cannot believe it does not cost more" is appropriate considering the feature set and performance compared to a few other boards.

This does not mean the board is going to hit 272 Bclks or provide class leading performance. It just means that spending less than $105 for this board and pairing it up with a Core i5-750 is going to lead to some fun times for the P55 budget seekers, HTPC groupies, or the SFF gaming crowd. We have word from ASRock and Foxconn that they will be providing $100 uATX P55 boards but we have not seen the feature sets yet.

Let's take a quick look at the GA-P55M-UD2. I forgot to mention, you can purchase this board now (as we did) from Provantage for less than $105. Update - The board is sold out again but should be in back in stock shortly, probably at less than $100.



Considering the limited board space, Gigabyte did a very good job fitting all of the peripherals onto this board. About the only negatives we can think of is the continued inclusion of the floppy drive port and the lack of passive cooling for the MOSFET area. The board only sports two fan headers so that might also be a problem for users with two or more 3-pin case fans. The board does support CrossFireX operation although we highly recommend against this setup as the second PCIe x16 slot is actually an x4 electrical slot running off the P55 chipset. The board contains Gigabyte's UltraDurable 3 technology that features their 2oz. copper based PCB, solid capacitors, low RDS(on) MOSFETs, and ferrite core chokes.



Gigabyte utilizes a solid six-phase PWM setup on this board.  The CPU area is open for the most part and will accommodate larger coolers like the Thermalright MUX 120. Large push/pull coolers like the Vigor Monsoon III LT will block the first DIMM slot. If you plan on running this board with Bclk rates above 170 or so, we suggest additional airflow across the MOSFETs to ensure 24/7 stability when overclocking.



The IDE port, 24-pin ATX power connector, and the four DIMM slots are located in the lower right hand corner of the board. This board supports dual channel memory configurations and 16GB of DDR3 memory when using 4GB DIMMS. Installing the memory with a video card inserted in the first slot is difficult but not impossible.



There are five (blue) SATA 3Gb/s ports provided by the P55 chipset that support RAID 0, 1, 5, 10. The sixth port available on the P55 (under the blue heatsink) is utilized on the I/O panel for eSATA. Gigabyte includes the JMicron JMB363 3Gb/s SATA chip that drives the two white SATA ports and provides IDE support. The front panel header, two USB headers, and the IEEE 1394a header are located at the edge of the board.



Gigabyte includes two PCIe x16 slots (x16 operation for the first slot, x4 operation for the second slot) and two PCI slots. The first PCI slot will be unavailable when utilizing a dual slot video card.



Last but not least is the I/O panel. We have ten USB 2.0 ports (total of fourteen on the board), combination PS/2 port, single eSATA port, IEEE 1394a port offered by the TI TSB43AB23 chipset, Gigabit Ethernet LAN port via the Realtek RTL8111D chipset, optical out/coaxial out S/PDIF ports, and the audio panel that provides 8-channel audio output via the Realtek ALC 888B HD audio codec.



BIOS Information

Apparently this preview did not have enough substance in it according to a few reader comments. I totally agree. However, I will state this one more time, we are bound by an NDA and cannot provide that substance for another week or so. That said, we can now show the general layout of the BIOS, thus providing a little more substance than we had yesterday. I will leave it at that for now.



System Status Summary Screen - Those numbers are interesting for a $100 motherboard. The only question is if they are simulated or real.


Same Advanced Frequency options as the more expensive Gigabyte P55 motherboards.






More than enough memory options for most of us...


All the voltages you will need to hit 4.3GHz on air and it takes about five seconds to do it.

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uATX ? by IlllI, 164 days ago
looks like the size of micro-atx to me. whats the difference between the two?



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RE: uATX ? by san1s, 164 days ago
they're the same

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RE: uATX ? by Flunk, 164 days ago
Some people choose to substitute u for the greek letter µ which is used scientifically to stand for the prefix micro. As in micro metres = µm. Substituting u for µ is not technically correct because µ is actually m so I can see why you would be confused.

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RE: uATX ? by lennylim, 164 days ago
[quote]ubstituting u for µ is not technically correct because µ is actually m[/quote]
m is milli
µ is micro
3 magnitudes of difference.
Since no SI prefix has the symbol u, there's little chance of confusion. If you know one, you'll know the other.

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RE: uATX ? by Anonymous Freak, 160 days ago
He meant that the greek letter 'mu' is what later became the letter 'm'. Not that the prefixes are the same, but that the underlying 'letter' is the same. So people often use 'u' to represent 'micro'; since, as you point out, 'm' would be very inappropriate.

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lol vagueness by plonk420, 164 days ago
"we will finish up our P55 previews"?

"of this week's previews, we will finish up on the weekend with these P55 previews"?

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sweet little board!! by yacoub, 164 days ago
Now if they (or MSi or Asus) can come out with one without the floppy/IDE connector, firewire, or 8-channel mini jacks, and maybe throw in another fan header and cooling for the MOSFETs, we'd have the perfect uATX board!

I can't believe they'd leave the MOSFETs naked, especially if the board allows overclocking. That seems like such a basic thing to overlook??

Otherwise very tempting! I'd pay $120 for a version with an effective MOSFET heatsink and no floppy connector. =P

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RE: sweet little board!! by anandreader, 164 days ago
Just a guess but perhaps the 2 oz of copper is enough to keep the mosfets cool? Once the reviews are out, we'll find out if the mosfets overheat or not.

Hopefully, we'll also hear which motherboards protect their Bios from rootkit attacks as well but I'm beginning to lose hope on that one.

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RE: sweet little board!! by Stele, 163 days ago
The amount of copper on the PCB layers is really only one factor in keeping MOSFETs cool. If a manufacturer cuts corners and use 20A-rated MOSFETs in a 200A design, even a 10 oz. copper layer would be hard-pressed to keep the MOSFETs from frying at full load.

Ultimately it's not about the PCB, or the MOSFET, or the PWM, or the chokes, or the capacitors separately; the whole circuit design is a system where the whole is more than the sum of its parts. Except focusing on each of those components affords 5x the marketing material as compared to one "well-designed circuit".

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RE: sweet little board!! by Jeffk464, 163 days ago
Hey not so fast buddy. Nobody has a floppy anymore but there still a lot of dvd writers and hard drives out there floating around with IDE connectors.

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RE: sweet little board!! by Etern205, 160 days ago
I've got 2 Asus boards all of a sudden one day just will not pass POST.
All it does is show up some weird error message, cannot get into bios,clear CMOS won't work, and all it does is look for the A:\. A quick look online to see what the error was and it says a corrupted bios. As to how it got corrupted I have no idea. So I've went to the Asus site, found the models I was looking for and download the bios to a floppy disk. Pop in the floppy disk to the defected board and flashed it. A few minutes the board was back up and running.

Yes in these days we don't need a floppy, but if your board all of a sudden had a corrupted bios, how are you suppose to revive it back? Does USB boot or USB emulate as floppy a default bios feature or you'll need to change it?
If it's option 2 (you well need to change the setting yourself in the bios), then you're probably SOL.

If mobo makers decides to remove the floppy connector, at least make the bios default setting with USB boot!





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RE: sweet little board!! by yyrkoon, 153 days ago
Using a floppy to put the BIOS back into the flash is not necessary. You can use a USB port, IDE, SATA, or even Ethernet to boot from, or flash the BIOS. There are even other methods which now days are limited to embedded devices, but if PC motherboards had the capabilities, these could be possibly used as well. Also, in your case if you had an appropriate ROM "burner" with a correct socket for the BIOS chip, you could have used that as well. I have personally done the latter here when I flashed an older system with a "hacked" BIOS using a buddies ROM burner. This was not because it failed however, it was just a means to backup the original OEM BIOS, before flashing an unknown.

Anyways, my point is that "we" can use anything the OEM allows us to use, and in your case, you were limited to a floppy, or using equipment most people do not have. Another third option was also available to you ( possibly ) which was buying a working new BIOS chip from the OEM. However that is rarely ( if ever ) inexpensive by comparison.

The only reasons I can think of why they do not do this is that it may be possible that USB, or other methods of booting is more expensive to implement. Cost in currency, code ( meaning the need for a larger BIOS ), or even both. Or *maybe* they have investments in a floppy drive company or two, and are looking for continued profits? . . .



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RE: sweet little board!! by Jeffk464, 163 days ago
Hey not so fast buddy. Nobody has a floppy anymore but there still a lot of dvd writers and hard drives out there floating around with IDE connectors.

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RE: sweet little board!! by Taft12, 162 days ago
I've got a boatload of IDE hard drives and optical drives, and I used to be a staunch defender of these ports remaining on motherboards, but time has broken me down, and sadly, now the correct opinion is "from now on, we should be using a PCI card for that"

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124025

See you here soon :(

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RE: sweet little board!! by Etern205, 160 days ago
Nowadays PCI is getting replaced with PCIe. And the Asus P6T7 WS SuperComputer is the epicenter of PCIe ridiculousness.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131390




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RE: sweet little board!! by Gary Key, 162 days ago
Actually, in a decent case, the lack of a passive MOSFET cooling setup is not really hurting this board in regards to clocking abilities. The temperatures are still in check, but I will be using it in a case with only the power supply providing any exhaust shortly. On a 24/7 overclocking basis, talking 20x215 settings, I would make sure the case has airflow across the board if you are not using a radial cooler on the CPU.

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Another shameless article by TA152H, 164 days ago
Why don't you spend some time doing some real reviews on real i7 motherboards, instead of these worthless pictorials on a brain-damaged version that's not even out yet.

The P55 motherboard articles might actually be interesting once you can get processors and show benchmark results.

I feeling like I'm in a Twilight Zone Episode where everyone's excited about nothing, and making a big deal.

Are you guys that desperate for hits that you keep shamelessly showing P55 pictures without any real meat to them?

I think just about everyone would prefer to see a real article on a x58 motherboard, with real benchmarks. Of even a P45. Or maybe do some real work and get a VIA processor and motherboard, and review it.

I know it's easier to just take pictures of a brain-damaged platform, for brain-damaged people, but have a little pride.

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RE: Another shameless article by boogerlad, 164 days ago
Just shutup! All you do is complain about how bad it performs. At a significantly lower price, you get about i7 920 performance. It's supposed to be "brain damaged"!

I don't see you doing any reviews for the community, so stop complaining. Perhaps you don't understand what a nda is.

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RE: Another shameless article by tacoburrito, 164 days ago
I have to agree with the uselessness of the article except I wouldn't sound quite as harsh. I fail to see the point of learning about MBs that will play host to a processor that won't be out for another month. Even then, learning about the i5 will be more informative than the MB itself. It's almost like getting excited over a new iphone battery that lasts for 1000 hours without charging but this battery will only be used on the sixth generation iphone out in 2015.

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RE: Another shameless article by anandreader, 164 days ago
Well not quite 2015. September 6, 2009 seems to be the drop date. I was mucking around trying to find performance data and stumbled across this motherboard manual

http://europe.giga-byte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_maunal_ga-p55m-ud2_e.pdf

The overclocking utility that Gigabyte ships with their boards managed 3.37 gHz.

These reviews are of interest to folks such as me who would have bought an i7 setup a couple of months ago except these "reviews" started dropping and one of the Anand writers implied that the p55-based CPUs were going to be worth waiting for. So if I'm at all typical, there's some pent-up demand waiting for the drop and subsequent reviews.

If I had seen a board that had rootkit protection for the Bios, I'd know which board I was going to get when the drop hit but failing that, I'll wait and see. This Gigabyte board, though nice, appears to be too easy to infect.

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RE: Another shameless article by TA152H, 164 days ago
Actually, I did write an article for another site, and it took me over 100 hours to write, and was much more informative than this junk that has no information. I won't push the link, since it would be self-serving and not appropriate for another site, but, you can do a search on History of Mainframes on Google if you're interested. I wasn't crazy about the editing, but, the amount of effort put in the article should be obvious, compared to this plain crap.

My main complaint, if you could actually read, is there's no information on it. It's annoying as Hell to keep hoping they have something, and they shamelessly have nothing, for article after article. This site is getting really bad. I don't know why they're so stupid to keep pushing bad articles to get page reads, when each time they hurt their reputation. It's short sighted.

When you talk about performance, you're talking about something you don't understand. We haven't seen performance numbers. That's the problem. The pre-release numbers were horrid, but I can't imagine they won't be improved on. But, even if they are, it's a tough situation for the processor. The real i7 is better with memory performance, and you can expect better video as well. Most morons, which probably includes you, will think because the PCI-E controller is on the processor, you'll get better performance. I expect it will be worse because of this. Keep in mind, the processor is already lobotomized with a narrower memory bus, and now keep in mind that the data traveling from the video card now has to go to the processor, since that's where the PCI-E controller is. With all the lost pins compared to LGA1366, you increase the problem by putting more pressure on the i/o of the processor. I haven't see the specs, but, it's pretty much assured you won't have separate pins for this, so you'll have contention.

It's a little similar as with the IGPs. They slow processor performance because they share main memory, creating memory contention. AMD was smart by putting sideport memory, and removing that. But, it's only a little similar. There doesn't seem an easy solution to this, except to add more pins, and Intel removed a ton of pins, not added them. So, it's very possible to expect a drop in processor performance, and video performance in some situations, because of this contention.

It's an inelegant design. It's brain-damaged. It surrounded by excellent processors above it, and below it. The Core 2 will still make more sense for most people, because it's a better platform for IGPs (since the memory controller is not on the processor, you don't face the problem of accessing the processor for memory moves, or adding the additional circuitry on the IGP itself), it's much smaller, and thus easier to make, and uses a lot less power. Above it, it's going to clock lower than the real i7s, because it's got more on it, and will have more points that can fail, and will generate more heat. It's also slower, and has some serious compromises built in. The pricing has to be artificially low to make a lot of sense, or the pricing of the competitors (from Intel, AMD isn't really much of a competitor) has to be artificially high.

From a technical point of view, this processor doesn't seem to have much validity to it. Intel can make it work by the aforementioned pricing, but really, I think they would have been better off by just letting the normal pricing evaporation work for the LGA1366 platform. The Core 2 will be a useful chip for long enough to let that happen, especially if they would boost the clock speeds like they are very able to do.

But, again, I'm really just annoyed there's never any real data. They just keep throwing out crap, and, probably I am not alone in thinking they can't possibly put out another useless article. So, I read it, and realize they have. And then idiots like you, actually like it.

Please, don't breed. Do your part in preventing rampant and continuing stupidity.

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RE: Another shameless article by ClagMaster, 164 days ago
No CDC-7600? Shame on you!!!

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RE: Another shameless article by philosofool, 164 days ago
I have two of the three billy goats gruff and a big bag of troll snacks if you want to come over to my house and play.

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RE: Another shameless article by TA152H, 164 days ago
You probably have weird diseases, no thanks.

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RE: Another shameless article by ClagMaster, 164 days ago
@TA152U

Your discussion of your percieved weaknesses of i5 was actually interesting until you called a forum poster (either tacoburrito or boogerlad) a moron. This is not good. You would have been more effective if you refrained from such characterization of a person who simply does not understand. Why not try to educate, enlighten and persuade him without arrogance, pride and insult.

I too would like more concrete data about i5/P55 performance. But I also understand and accept Anandtech is under legal obligation under the NDA. After the NDA is expired, we can look forward to a very comprehensive article of i5/P55 performance.

The direct PCI-E link to the Lynnfield CPU is hardly a crippling disadvantage. A direct PCI-E link involves implementation of another on-die controller with its own resources. This is no different than the on-die memory controller that already exists on both Lynnfield and Bloomfield. This is an efficiency, not a disadvantage, for the simple reason data transmitted through the PCI-E does not have to be processed by an X58 Northbridge, and then routed through QPI to the CPU. In Lynnfield PCI-E data goes directly to the CPU via a much faster, lower latency controller. Same idea as the on-die memory controller present (and desirable)on Lynnfield and Bloomfield.

What you have posted about this feature and its detrimental effect on i5/i7 performance does not make sense. This Lynnfield feature is actually a major advancement over your beloved Bloomfield which relies on the X58 Northbridge/QPI for PCI-E connectivity.



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RE: Another shameless article by TA152H, 164 days ago
He is a moron, and he has a right to know. Also, we don't need him breeding, not that a woman would be interested anyway. But, you never know. Desperation never made a good choice.

With regards to the i5, you're missing some very important possibilities. You realize you need pins on the processor to handle this, right? Based on the number of pins they removed, where do these come from?

Also, your assessment of the on-die PCI-E is completely off. Memory is fast enough to benefit from the device being on-die, and you're transporting from memory to the processor. PCI-Express is different. It's much slower than memory, and it's generally not going to the processor, but through it to memory, or another device. It's not at all the same.

Unless they have pins specifically for this, which is doubtful given the reduction, but still possible, they have to multiplex the pins. At any rate, now the processor can have contention between handling the memory bus, and the PCI stuff on it.

It's possible Intel has seperate pins, and each section works perfectly independently. But, I doubt it given the pin reduction. I guess we'll see.

But, it won't be faster because most devices attached to PCI-E are REALLY slow compared to the processor. GPUs normally don't need to send much data to the processor, but work mostly with memory, and typically bypass the processor to do this. Now they can't. This could bring up contention issues. We'll have to see the implementation. Of course, they could have given us detailed information on this site of the pinouts, unless Intel said they couldn't with the NDA, but they haven't. We got pictures of some motherboards.

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RE: Another shameless article by ClagMaster, 163 days ago
Interesting theory -- about the on-die PCI-E controller and memory contentions. You may have a point there. Before, the PCI-E and system memory were handled by the Northbridge and PCI-E to memory transfers were handled locally.

I do not know what the on-die memory bus bandwidth is on i5 and i7. If a third memory channel were removed and assuming on-die memory bus remained the same, there would be about 1/3 excess capacity on this bus since only two memory channels are active. This allowed Intel to remove pins from the LGA1366 to LGA1156 (381 pins) for the missing memory channel and removed QPI less any needed for the PCI-E link and DMI.

I am certain neccesary dedicated pins are present for two independent memory channels. The removed third DDR3 channel is 240 pins. That leaves 141 pins unaccounted for which is the source of your contention? These unaccounted pins most likely came from QPI that was removed from the LGA1156 socket -- less the pins needed for the slower DMX and the PCI-E direct link.

Yes, we will have to wait and see the i5/P55 benchmarks compared to C2Q/P45 when they are finally published. The memory benchmarks in particular would be telling if you are correct that there is contention between PCI-E and the regular memory system on the internal bus.

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RE: Another shameless article by Penti, 155 days ago
It's kinda retarded argument, the memory controller, NB logic and PCI-e on-die controller are all separate logic with there own transistors and are not using the cpus executing engine or something like that. It won't get worse just because you move these blocks to the CPU, and obviously it works fine with having on-die memory controller and PCI-e on the NB with i7 and AMD.

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RE: Another shameless article by PassingBy, 162 days ago
'Pin multiplexing' between the PCIe and DDR3 interfaces is good for nothing more than a laff on a Monday morning.

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RE: Another shameless article by Etern205, 160 days ago
Not only that he's the one who also complained about a recent poll as to why "Core i7" wasn't in one of the choices.

Very childlish like for a person to have "actually" written a article.

Anandtech, would you please ban that person since he's nothing but a troll. I just hope the people who wants to learn about computers isn't brainwashed by he's uninformative bs and well as his stupidity.

For those who are trying to learn, seriously do not read of of that person's articles or listen to what that idiot says!

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RE: Another shameless article by Gary Key, 162 days ago
Actually, I really wish I could give you actual numbers at this time. As I clearly stated, we are bound by the NDA even though our components were purchased at various retail outlets. The actual numbers would probably surprise you and I think several of your comments would be properly addressed, although maybe not to your satisfaction. ;)

This is not an article, it is a blog and pictorial preview at that, as I have done with the others. The reason being is that people would like basic information on the boards before launch. The reason I know this is that personal messages and emails for those who like these previews outnumber those who do not by about 1000 to 1.

I would much rather being doing an article about these boards but that will have to wait another week. In regards to time spent, well I have about 800 hours invested so far in P55 testing. As far as the i7 boards, we will take a look at four new boards in the sub $200 category and compare them directly to the P55 products in two weeks. After that, we have a complete top to bottom AMD chipset article that consists of seventeen boards or so. In the meantime, I have been working on the two launch articles for P55 next week.

:)

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RE: Another shameless article by strikeback03, 162 days ago
You should just let someone "break into" your labs, run some tests, and post some results ;)

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RE: Another shameless article by goinginstyle, 162 days ago
So basically, you are at AnandTech railing about a blog preview on a P55 board when your own editor (Chris A.) is doing the same at Tom's on a weekly basis but you refuse to comment on his articles. I would think you would have at least responded to the fact that Chris forces you to go through eight or more pages of pictures for what Gary did in one page here. So is your only purpose here to run down AT so you can get a job at Toms? I doubt they hire based on stupidity, but if they do, then you should be chief editor shortly.

By the way, your Mainframe article was one of the most boring articles I have ever read at Tom's. If you spent a 100 hours on it then I think you must ride the short bus to work everyday. I could have googled that information and completed the same cut and paste hack job into a word document in about four hours. Add another two hours for copying images from various websites and maybe another hour of horrid editing for a total of seven hours.


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RE: Another shameless article by yyrkoon, 153 days ago
"So is your only purpose here to run down AT so you can get a job at Toms?"

Have you read any toms articles lately ? I keep trying myself, but constantly find my self disappointed ( as I was a once long standing user of theirs until articles like all the Mac vs PC crap started floating about ). Spewing gibberish, and trying to make things seem true, or factual when people already know it for what it is.

This is not to say they do not have articles that I once in a while pop in to check out. This however is only because no other sites have "reviewed" equipment that I am interested in. This is also rare.



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RE: Another shameless article by PassingBy, 162 days ago
C2 isn't a better platform for IGPs. Clarkale is at least as good as C2 plus GMCH.

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RE: Another shameless article by nightic, 158 days ago
Some writer.
Glass houses...

Please. Learn, to. Use. Punctuation, correctly.

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RE: Another shameless article by PopcornMachine, 164 days ago
Why don't you NOT read something that YOU are not interested in.

Amazing amount of brain damage involved there.

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RE: Another shameless article by TA152H, 164 days ago
Because I keep hoping, against all odds, they actually put some real information in the articles. Then I read the useless trash, and it's nothing but irritating.

This is fluff. And honestly, if you like it, you're an idiot. Luckily for you, you're not alone in the world.

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RE: Another shameless article by PopcornMachine, 164 days ago
Ok. Us non-brain damaged people know they can't do that right now.

And I appreciate everything they can show and tell us now.

I don't see how you behavior like a infantile little brat is going to change their NDA with Inel.

I guess some people need to let the whole world know what ignorant SOBs they are.

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RE: Another shameless article by TA152H, 164 days ago
Learn how to spell Intel before you insult people.

If you weren't a complete idiot, you'd see I was suggesting they spend time on real articles on products they could give information on. Not on those they can't. But, you were too stupid to see that?

Buy a book. If you have any money.


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RE: Another shameless article by PopcornMachine, 164 days ago
Moooooooooooooooooooo...

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RE: Another shameless article by whatthehey, 163 days ago
Ah, this is the part I love:

"Actually, I did write an article for another site, and it took me over 100 hours to write, and was much more informative than this junk that has no information. I won't push the link, since it would be self-serving and not appropriate for another site, but, you can do a search on History of Mainframes on Google if you're interested. I wasn't crazy about the editing, but, the amount of effort put in the article should be obvious, compared to this plain crap."

Assuming that's truly correct, he wrote the recent article on Tom's Hardware about the "Complete History of Mainframe Computing". That explains a LOT about his posting habits here. Of course he needs to rip on a competing site. LOL (Though it does look like it's only one article for them at present.)

FWIW, writing one article -- even if it does take you 100 hours -- isn't the same as writing a REVIEW... or in this case a PREVIEW. It's good to have some idea of what motherboards will be out when P55 officially launches, and I hope AT is able to post a thorough roundup rather than wasting a bunch of time rehashing these previews. If that's the point of the previews, I'm all for it. What I do know is that completing a comprehensive REVIEW of motherboards is anything but easy, especially when BIOS updates are involved.

Gary, my request is that you stick to whatever the manufacturers have available, focus on the initial stability, features, and overclocking capability (and stock performance, though it will all be about the same). Then, AFTER the first reviews are complete, if you have time go back and tell us about how updated BIOS revisions help address initial problems. Please do NOT repeat all the tests (multiple times) when they fail because of an early BIOS. I want to know what I'm getting out of the box, not what I get if I buy an expensive motherboard that won't work properly without a BIOS flash. I'm sick of the stupid BIOS treadmills; if it doesn't work right, don't release it to the public -- lost sales be damned.

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RE: Another shameless article by TA152H, 163 days ago
Actually, I am just as irritated with other sites for these absurd picture articles of motherboards, with no results.

I mean, I realize these guys aren't real writers, and have no writing talent, but they can do better than this. It's like all these sites have prostituted themselves with these stupid motherboard pictorals, of a brain-damaged design. If it were something brand new, and the best of breed, I could see the build up. But for a mid-range offering? Bizarre.

The article actually took over 100 hours, I wasn't counting. Probably more like 150. A review would take less time, except for testing, especially considering the amount of time these places take in actually working on the writing style. There is effectively no effort there; they write like fifth graders. The transitions are weak, phraseology uninteresting, and vocabulary and style prosaic. Most of the time is spent testing. It's different, but a lot easier waiting for a benchmark to run, than actually actively making changes, triple-checking facts, and making sure the article flows and is actually interesting. Writing an article about something people are already interesting is easy. Writing an article about something not particularly relevant, or at least perceived to be, is much more difficult since it requires much better language skills, organization, and effort to make it interesting.

A baboon could write an article on a new processor, and everyone will read it, because the processor is interesting. The writing style is secondary. But, an article on something like a insides of the original IBM PC? It's a different animal, and requires a lot more skill to be effective.

Most people who read these sites fancy themselves as being technically savvy, when in reality they don't understand a lot of the technologies beyond a very rudimentary level. Getting them to learn beyond that level, and keeping it palatable, is kind of difficult. That's the biggest challenge in writing technical articles.



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RE: Another shameless article by charlie2, 162 days ago
'Writing an article about something people are already interesting is easy. '


What happened to your superior writing and editing skills in this sentance? Perhaps Tom's has no room for you and now you've decided to see if you can bulldoze your way in here?

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RE: Another shameless article by charlie2, 162 days ago
edit: sentence

But then I never claimed to be great did I? LOL



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RE: Another shameless article by Penti, 155 days ago
Man it's too early for results the shit needs to work properly first and theres a lot of testing with new boards like this. Just get over it, anandtech delivers excellent reviews when they are ready too. It's great that they do describe all the difficulties and work so close to the makers. It's nothing brain-damaging about beta testing and working out kinks in the products the enthusiast eventually will own. A lot of enthusiast will own i5's. Just deal with it. It's relevant for AT to cover it. They cover a lot of things that aren't the high-end of the high-end.

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RE: Another shameless article by Gary Key, 161 days ago
"Gary, my request is that you stick to whatever the manufacturers have available, focus on the initial stability, features, and overclocking capability (and stock performance, though it will all be about the same). Then, AFTER the first reviews are complete, if you have time go back and tell us about how updated BIOS revisions help address initial problems. Please do NOT repeat all the tests (multiple times) when they fail because of an early BIOS. I want to know what I'm getting out of the box, not what I get if I buy an expensive motherboard that won't work properly without a BIOS flash. I'm sick of the stupid BIOS treadmills; if it doesn't work right, don't release it to the public -- lost sales be damned. "

We locked down the manufacturers with retail BIOS releases this weekend. I will not be retesting the boards with new BIOS releases during this week. I met personally with just about every board supplier and they have a full understanding of what we discovered over the past three weeks in regards to problems. ;)

I will follow up a few days after the launch article with updates on any BIOS releases we receive this week that fix problems or create new ones. Otherwise, all of the clean testing this week is with BIOS releases on the boards as they shipped or from the websites as of Saturday. The same holds true for drivers and applications. Honestly, it will probably take three articles to cover every aspect, especially the hardcore overclocking, that one will be handled separately on the top three or four boards. I have another five boards coming tomorrow, so those will have to wait a few days.

Anyway, this is what I can say now, a few boards are good to go, a few need a lot of work between now and retail release. :)

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RE: Another shameless article by SPianw, 163 days ago
jesus christ dude, how much goddamn sand do you have crammed up your vagina.
no, this article did not give us the data we all want. it's not that big a deal. so what if it's "fluff"?
at the very least it cost me a minute of my time to look at a motherboard that I may or may not be interested in. TIME TO REAGGEE IUOIUDSHFIU)(UOioifoh0uffffffffffffffffffffffff

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RE: Another shameless article by SPianw, 163 days ago
I mean seriously, man. it's not that big of a deal. take a bath, smoke a bowl.

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RE: Another shameless article by wicko, 163 days ago
Shit! You're right! It's brain-damaged! You better run off and let Intel know, because I don't think they are aware of this issue! I feel that they could really use your expertise and experience. Why waste your time telling us these things and spending 100 hours writing articles on mainframe history, when you could be MAKING A DIFFERENCE!?!?!?

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