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AnandTech Tests GPU Accelerated Flash 10.1 Prerelease
AnandTech Tests GPU Accelerated Flash 10.1 Prerelease
Date: November 19th, 2009
Topic: Video Card
Manufacturer: Various
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi
 
 

ATI and Intel Update, 11/19/2009:

After uninstalling Flash 10.1, reinstalling, rebooting, and switching to the High Performance power profile (instead of Balanced), some of the Hulu problems noted on the previous page seemed to clear up slightly. We already tested with the latest Intel drivers, so that wasn't the issue. Additional testing revealed that if you disable GPU acceleration with 10.1 (and restart your browser), the Hulu 480p problems are not present, but we continue to have difficulties with Hulu 480p playback on the GMA 4500MHD with GPU acceleration enabled on all the videos we've tested. The 360p videos work without any problems. Here are the updated results, including results from the Gateway NV52 HD 3200 laptop using the Catalyst 9.11 drivers. We've also added the data for 10.1 with GPU acceleration disabled as a point of reference.

Intel GMA 4500MHD (Gateway NV58)

Updated Gateway NV58 (GMA 4500MHD)
Full Screen 1366x768 Performance
  Flash 10.0 Flash 10.1
(GPU)
Flash 10.1
(No GPU)
Hulu 720p - CPU 61% 37% 69%
Hulu 720p - FPS 26.3 24.7 25.3
Hulu 480p - CPU 58% 56% 68%
Hulu 480p - FPS 35.9 10.9 33.9
YouTube 720p - CPU 32% 24% 37%
YouTube 720p - FPS (Dropped) 26.5 (0) 24.0 (0) 19.5 (104)

Starting with Intel, the results have only changed slightly. We can now use Flash 10.1 in all cases, but we have to disable GPU acceleration for certain videos. This may be an issue similar to NVIDIA stating that ION has problems with YouTube HD videos that are 854 pixels wide; hopefully it will be cleared up with driver and/or Flash updates. HD Flash on the other hand definitely benefits from the GPU acceleration and DXVA in Flash 10.1. The Hulu HD Legend of the Seeker video has CPU usage drop 24% while the 720p Prince of Persia trailer on YouTube reduces CPU usage by 8%. Hulu's The Office does reduce CPU usage 2%, but frame rates drop from 30+ FPS to only 10 FPS.

Turning off GPU acceleration in Flash 10.1 shows where and how much the 4500MHD is helping. The YouTube HD trailer drops to around 20 FPS with occasional dropped frames causing noticeable stuttering, and CPU usage jumps 13%. Hulu HD playback remains smooth, but CPU usage jumps 32%, so the DXVA acceleration clearly helps a lot in this instance. Standard Hulu videos like The Office return to a smooth frame rate, but CPU usage is 10% higher than Flash 10.0. Overall, since the Intel GMA 4500MHD with a T6500 CPU manages to handle Flash video up to 720p in full screen mode using Flash 10.0, the 10.1 update isn't critical right now. If you're using a CULV processor (or a display with a higher resolution), Flash 10.1 may be more beneficial. We'll look at that scenario in a future article.

ATI HD 3200 (Gateway NV52)

Gateway NV52 (ATI HD 3200)
Full Screen 1366x768 Performance
  Flash 10.0 Flash 10.1
(GPU)
Flash 10.1
(No GPU)
Hulu 720p - CPU 76% 56% 76%
Hulu 720p - FPS 13.2 24.5 24.5
Hulu 480p - CPU 72% 62% 73%
Hulu 480p - FPS 12.7 34.9 31.3
YouTube 720p - CPU 53% 22% 42%
YouTube 720p - FPS (Dropped) 26.0 (0) 24.0 (0) 21.3 (103)

With the updated Catalyst 9.11 drivers, our results were a lot better than before. Previously, using Flash 10.0 we were unable to view either of the Hulu videos (720p or 480p) in full screen mode without severe stuttering. YouTube HD on the other hand worked fine with 0 dropped frames. Moving to Flash 10.1 with DXVA GPU acceleration, we now see smooth frame rates on all Hulu content and lower CPU usage for both Hulu and YouTube videos. YouTube CPU usage on the Prince of Persia trailer drops 31%, Hulu's Legend of the Seeker drops CPU use 20% while nearly doubling the frame rate (i.e. from dropping half the frames to showing everything), and 480p Hulu drops CPU usage 10% with frame rates almost tripling (from ~13 FPS to over 30 FPS for what appears to be 30 FPS video content).

Disabling the GPU acceleration in Flash 10.1 still results in a better experience at Hulu than Flash 10.0, with roughly the same CPU load but no stuttering. YouTube HD is similar to the GMA 4500MHD in this case, with a frame rate of 21 FPS and slight stuttering. Unlike the Intel platform, if you have an ATI card and a moderate CPU it appears that Flash 10.1 is a clear win.

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Die Flash Die. by Voldenuit, 84 days ago
I know exactly what you mean about preaching to the choir. I have a decent midrange system (E7600, 8 GB RAM, 4870 1 GB, W7 x64), and even having Flash ads in an open browser window will choke my framerate on Dragon Age: Origins.

So I did the sensible thing and installed Flashblock (previously I only used it on my laptop for battery life and performance).

Bad Adobe, Bad.

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RE: Die Flash Die. by heffeque, 84 days ago
Not also that. The 10.1 works even more unstable than the 10.0. I've tried it and I had to go back to 10.0 to be able to use firefox for more than 15 minutes.

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RE: Die Flash Die. by B3an, 84 days ago
You people dont get it...

1) Flash Player 10.1 is a early pre-release, NOT final.

2) Flash is great, it's the best thing out there for delivering so many things. It's also some of the most fun and creative software i use. The problem is how advertisers use Flash, and what stupid websmasters decide to do with it (dump flash ads all over the place. This is NOT the fault of Flash. It simply happens to be the best thing for these things. If there was anything that could compete, that would be used instead and then people would just call that annoying.

2) Nothing is wrong with Flash performance considering what it does. It uses Vector based graphics normally and this happens to be very demanding for CPU's, Adobe could not possible get vector graphics magically running as good as pixel based graphics no matter what they did. The advantage of vector based graphics though is things like infinite zoom with no pixelation, and adaptive resolution. It's nice to see GPU acceleration for video though, that was needed.


It's sad that even Anand does not seem to understand this stuff.

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RE: Die Flash Die. by B3an, 84 days ago
I'd also like to add, that the bad Flash performance in many things like Flash based ads, is nearly always down to the web developer of the ad itself. SO many of them could be made to use less CPU power, or even get file size way down.
It's nearly always down to web design amatures who dont know the following:
What image files types are best suited for what they're doing,
When to use vector graphics instead of jpegs,
And what quality settings and Flash publishing settings to use.


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RE: Die Flash Die. by Voldenuit, 83 days ago
There's also the problem of Flash chewing resources when the application is in the background (eg if I'm playing a game and would like/need to keep my browser open).

Users should have control over what applications run on their PCs, and the fact that Flash doesn't let you do this is a strike against Adobe (already not the most consumer-friendly company out there).

We have anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-phising as recommended and standard on most systems. I say anti-Flash should be just as important.

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RE: Die Flash Die. by ProDigit, 84 days ago
Flash sucks big time,and is largely unwanted on the internet!
Instead of displaying movies in Flash, websites would have done better with streaming DivX/XviD or OGG/Mp3/WMA or so.

Flash is as much an internet hog as REAL was in the real networks days.
They are low in quality, require high CPU, and display few FPS.

I prefer the internet to become like a mobile internet, without ads, and just the minimal info visible necessary to do the most basic internet tasks (like this article, a few .jpg's, and a non-java based forum or thread underneath where we can type.

Many websites won't exist if it wasn't for the ads you may say, but I'll reply to them:
"So where is all that money going to that they get or pay to keep their website online? Who's on the head of the chain? The government?"
The internet was supposed to be a free thing, the only ones who should charge are the companies who place cables which carry the signals, and the renewal of the servers.

We're living in 2009, back in the '80, it could cost you quite some bucks to have 20MB of online server space!
Nowadays, they charge quite some to, while giving you 50MB of web space! I mean, what is that?
It costs a company today $90 to get a 1TB HD!
And if they got rid of flash altogether, internet pages wouldn't take up more than a few hundred of kilobytes.
A 1 TB harddrive could be enough to give 10.000 customers a 100MB webspace for $10 per person, which is almost for free.

But no,if you have a big website, they charge you hundreds of dollars per year, sticking a big fat bonus in their paychecks, because a server does not cost a company $100.000 anymore. They nowadays can easily be made for 1/10th of that price, yet they still charge too much.
That's why the world must be terrorized by flash ads.
I'm glad someone got some sense to create an ad blocker for my browser; because that not only seems to ease my reading of the page, it also reduces my overall network traffic, lowers CPU usage, and therefor increases battery life on my notebook, and it keeps me safer from hackers trying to enter into people's computers through annoying popup ads, using the weaknesses of flash.

The world would be a better place if flash was never invented.
Even those little tasks you do in flash,like playing farmville in facebook, perform much better if it was only an executable file for download, instead of a flash game!

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RE: Die Flash Die. by Adasha, 84 days ago
I would hate to live in your ideal world. I bet you'd be happier if we got rid of all GUIs and reverted to command line only.

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RE: Die Flash Die. by fic2, 84 days ago
A 1T hard drive might cost YOU $90, but for a server company it cost quite a bit more. Or do you and the 10,000 other customers not care if the 1T is RAIDed and backed up? I am not sure what else goes into to it since I don't do that, but I would guess they also have to pay for space/electricity/AC/people/internet/etc.

Oh, I'll add that I hate flash, too. Especially the idiot websites that think their front page has to be flash based.

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RE: Die Flash Die. by autoboy, 84 days ago
Do you have any clue how the world works?

People provide services. In exchange for those services, they get paid. Their pay allows them to buy your services. People who provide services people actually want get paid, while those services that people don't want fail. Government steals 50% of your pay to build roads, police crime, and perpetual failed social programs.

So, the internet is supposed to be free with no business model?

Sound good to you Anand?

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RE: Die Flash Die. by bcronce, 84 days ago
"It costs a company today $90 to get a 1TB HD! "

My employerr had to pay $120k for a new 16TB SAN cabinet and that doesn't include local back-ups or off site storage/back-ups

I wish storage was only $90/TB, I could get a raise.

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