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IDF Fall 2006 - Day 2: Opteron vs. Xeon, SSE4 & Intel's Torrenza competitor Announced
IDF Fall 2006 - Day 2: Opteron vs. Xeon, SSE4 & Intel's Torrenza competitor Announced
Date: September 27th, 2006
Topic: Trade Show
Manufacturer: Intel
Author: Anand Shimpi & Virginia Lee
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Back when Pat Gelsinger was Intel's CTO, he was on stage at these IDF Keynotes talking pure, unadulterated technology and research - much like Justin Rattner was doing yesterday. Pat is an absolutely excellent presenter, arguably Intel's best; unfortunately, these days he spends his time talking about the Enterprise market - and historically, the Enterprise keynote has always been the least interesting keynote of IDF. Against all odds, Pat managed to make the latter half of the keynote interesting with some important announcements that we'll talk about in the coming pages.

Gelsinger's keynote started with a recap of what's been released in the past six months: mainly Core 2 based processors into the server and client markets.

Given that this is the first IDF since the launch of Intel's Core 2 based processors, it's not surprising that the majority of the show has been touting the performance advantages of Intel's existing Core 2 products rather than new products.

Ever since Core 2 launched, Intel has been unusually competitive in that it has done an unprecedented amount of public Intel vs. AMD benchmarking. From setting up an AMD system to compare to Conroe at last IDF to having a live Socket-F Opteron performance comparison today, Intel is proud of its performance advantages and is not shy of talking about them.


The second line is Pat Gelsinger's password captured by an Intel rep playing a hacker during a security demo at today's keynote

The Socket-F Opteron 2.8GHz vs. Xeon 5160 (3.0GHz) demo was a simple performance test using a Matrix-Matrix Multiplication benchmark (sounds a lot like Linpack). Obviously the Opteron system lost taking 67.49 seconds to complete the benchmark compared to 39.06 seconds for the Xeon 5160 system (both systems were dual socket). Power consumption was lower on the Xeon system at 370W vs. 444W. Without knowing the configurations of both systems (other than Intel saying that they were as close to identical as possible), we can't really say much about how comparable these results are.

Gelsinger then "challenged" his demo assistant to upgrade the Xeon box to new Clovertown based, quad-core Xeon processors within the next 8 minutes.

The demo assistant simply swapped out the old Xeon 5160s with new Low Voltage Clovertown based Xeons running at a clock speed almost 900MHz lower than the 5160s (around 2.1GHz). Despite the lower clock speed, having twice as many cores in the system let the new LV quad-core Xeon setup complete the benchmark in 31.01 seconds, and at marginally higher power consumption of 380W.

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18 Comments - Last by Calin, 1150 days ago
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intel might need to cut more than that 10,000 job cut by theteamaqua, 1150 days ago
this company is in big trouble

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RE: intel might need to cut more than that 10,000 job cut by AmpedSilence, 1150 days ago
Based on what?

The Core 2 Duo is doing well and trumps AMD64 for the time being. They are releasing a quad-core almost a year before AMD.

What are you using as a basis for this conclusion?

btw, i have three AMD64 machines (one X2 and two AMD64's).

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RE: intel might need to cut more than that 10,000 job cut by Pirks, 1150 days ago
he's using some green smelly stuff as his basis, isn't that obvious ;))

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RE: intel might need to cut more than that 10,000 job cut by psychobriggsy, 1150 days ago
Quad-core on two dies, utilising their experience from the Smithfield panic reaction to AMD's X2. However it shows that once Intel gets woken up, they don't go back to sleep after doing 'enough', they'll continue until they have the lead.

AMD fell asleep after dual-core, indeed after K8 considering dual-core was meant to be a possibility from day one. It is costing them now, apart from their platform work which is still ahead. I think AMD should have investigated dual-die MCMs for quad-core, instead 4x4 is a reactionary hack solution (that'll work nevertheless, and it'll have good memory bandwidth).

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RE: intel might need to cut more than that 10,000 job cut by Calin, 1150 days ago
AMD would better ramp the 65nm technology as soon as possible - only after that, quad cores will become a real/profitable possibility

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RE: intel might need to cut more than that 10,000 job cut by Viditor, 1150 days ago
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They are releasing a quad-core almost a year before AMD

closer to a half year...at the very most it will be 7 months.

He might be referring to Torrenza. It's probably the most underestimated and misunderstood advancement AMD has announced. Remember that there are already coprocessers that can just drop into an Opteron ssocket, and IBM is already shipping servers with HTX connections. Intel will be another 1-1.5 years before they are ready to do this...and there isn't any idea what kind of support they will end up with at that point.

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Socket F or Socket 940? by psychobriggsy, 1150 days ago
"Socket-F Opteron 285"

No such beast exists. It'd be a 2220 or something. Either the box was Socket F and they got the name wrong, or it was Socket 940 still.

Intel's bus licensing thing looks quite weak compared to AMD's Torrenza. Intel have more might however, but a potential 18 months to mere specification isn't a good start. Quite what advantages they'll have over HyperTransport 3 remains to be seen, but if it is competing just to be awkward then Intel haven't really matured as a company like many had hoped.

Hopefully the benchmarking suite will be non-biased and based around sensible usage patterns. I guess we'll see soon enough.

The new instructions will be useful if they accellerate common algorithms decently over software implementations, e.g., CRC32 was on the list. However are these sensible instructions to have? Would general purpose accellerators, e.g., TCP/IP and Encryption, be better?

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RE: Socket F or Socket 940? by jiulemoigt, 1150 days ago
Actully it's even funnier than that as all of the 1207 mobo's are dual or multi socket mobos at this point so it is most likely to be a AM2 940 pin 1000 chip or the Op 285 which is a socket 939. Any way you look at that it is questionible which is interesting since I was under the impresion that the core2 were faster than anything amd had even if the mobo chipsets have issues.

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RE: Socket F or Socket 940? by JarredWalton, 1150 days ago
I'm not sure if Anand already updated this, but both systems were dual socket and it was a "Socket F 2.80 GHz" processor config in the AMD unit, not AM2, Opteron 285, or some other hypothetical config to show Intel in a better light. The benchmark, on the other hand, is a different story as it could be just about anything. :)

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RE: Socket F or Socket 940? by finalfan, 1150 days ago
The one advantage of fsb bus licensing is it makes the 3rd party device being able to access system memory without forcing its own memory controller and its own memory since it is connected with MCH and MCH will be able to ensure memory coherence. It makes the other devices more like a CPU than a co-processor.

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