[QUOTE]OST are often used by Seasonic, but they don't have the best reputation.[/QUOTE]
I'd amend that comment by adding "not uncommon for lower end Seasonic power supplies" to that because I defy you to find OSX caps in anything other than a lower-end Seasonic build....and in nothing that is placed as coming from a "premium power supply maker."
Anything other than a lower end build from Seasonic will have nothing less than RubyCon, Hitachi, and/or Chemi-Con caps in them....and to imply OSX caps are being used indiscriminately throughout all Seasonic's builds, which that single comment implies, is wholly incorrect.
Again, outside of basic bottom-feeder builds from Seasonic, such as an Antec Earthwatt, I defy you to find a single OSX cap anywhere in their builds.....Corsair certainly has none in any of theirs, Seasonic uses none in anything of 500W or greater capacity, and to find OSX caps in a PCP&C power supply, no matter the wattage, is to see the influence of OCZ finally rearing its ugly head in cost cutting. To save a couple of dollars in what it costs Seasonic to use OSX over Chemi-Con or Hitachi or the like is troubling, esp. given PCP&C's marketing position as a "premium" product.
Internals
Opening the unit reveals a typical Seasonic design, but this time the heatsinks are arranged to better accommodate the 80mm fan setup. Seasonic normally cools this design with a 120mm fan blowing at the top of the heatsinks, so the heatsinks benefit in that case from a shape that will allow air to pass through vertically. This time the air comes from the sides and the back so they can be closed to the top.
There is a Nippon Chemi-Con cap installed on the primary circuitry, and the secondary features wildly placed OST RLX and RLS series capacitors. OST are often used by Seasonic, but they don't have the best reputation. In addition the caps are placed in between the cables and look like wild mushrooms growing in all directions. Internal appearance and performance are different areas, and it's possible to have an "ugly" interior while still providing high quality power. We'll see if that's the case here in a moment.
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OSX in a PCP&C????? by C'DaleRider on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
RE: OSX in a PCP&C????? by yyrkoon on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
I find it a bit silly that you ask to 'not soil' your name brand of choice, but then you go and soil about 5 other brand names yourself.
Well done ! (not).
Well done ! (not).
RE: OSX in a PCP&C????? by HOOfan 1 on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
all of the brands he mentioned were made by Seasonic.
The capacitor selection was also most likely the choice of PC P&C and Antec, not Seasonic.
Just like it was likely Antec's choice to use Fuhjyyu capacitors on the CWT built units.
What C'Dale Rider is objecting to is the author's assertion that it is somehow Seasonic's choice to use questionable capacitors, when it is more likely the choice of the company they make the unit for.
Corsairs are made by Seasonic and they use Hitachi and Nippon Chemicon capacitors..as do Seasonic's own branded PSUs.
The capacitor selection was also most likely the choice of PC P&C and Antec, not Seasonic.
Just like it was likely Antec's choice to use Fuhjyyu capacitors on the CWT built units.
What C'Dale Rider is objecting to is the author's assertion that it is somehow Seasonic's choice to use questionable capacitors, when it is more likely the choice of the company they make the unit for.
Corsairs are made by Seasonic and they use Hitachi and Nippon Chemicon capacitors..as do Seasonic's own branded PSUs.
RE: OSX in a PCP&C????? by Christoph Katzer on Wednesday, June 11, 2008
Depends on the budget for the product. But don't think the buyer is going to search for components and probably even purchases them himself. The manufacturer chooses them according to budget and MAYBE presents a selection to choose from.
Efficiency during standby? by The Irish Patient on Monday, June 09, 2008
Christopher,
Is there any particular reason that all of the PSU reviews at Anandtech limit efficiency ratings to outputs of about 50W and higher?
Like it or not, I rarely shut my computer off. A typical week is probably 10 hours running and 158 hours in standby. For all I know, my power consumption during standby may exceed consumption during actual usage, depending on how low the efficiency during standby is. However, the point is that I don't know since there's no data available.
Just making it up, assume that power supply output during standby is 2W but efficiency is only 10%. That would be about 14 kilowatt-hours consumed during a month.
Given the trend to "green" electronics, it wouldn't hurt to include this spec in your reviews.
Is there any particular reason that all of the PSU reviews at Anandtech limit efficiency ratings to outputs of about 50W and higher?
Like it or not, I rarely shut my computer off. A typical week is probably 10 hours running and 158 hours in standby. For all I know, my power consumption during standby may exceed consumption during actual usage, depending on how low the efficiency during standby is. However, the point is that I don't know since there's no data available.
Just making it up, assume that power supply output during standby is 2W but efficiency is only 10%. That would be about 14 kilowatt-hours consumed during a month.
Given the trend to "green" electronics, it wouldn't hurt to include this spec in your reviews.
RE: Efficiency during standby? by mindless1 on Monday, June 09, 2008
No, it is always true that standby uses less power. Even if efficiency goes down it is always inherant that it be using less total power FOR that efficiency to go down (it is the cause of efficiency going down).
Therefore, you are basically worrying about nothing important. If power consumption itself is important then hibernate, don't go only into standby.
Therefore, you are basically worrying about nothing important. If power consumption itself is important then hibernate, don't go only into standby.
RE: Efficiency during standby? by Christoph Katzer on Monday, June 09, 2008
Hi, I had standby efficiency ratings in the beginning but nobody seemed to be interested in it. Standby efficiency is never really good but i can surely include then in future again. :)
RE: Efficiency during standby? by icingdeath88 on Monday, June 09, 2008
Seconded
Also, I think it would be cool if you guys did an article (or blog, I'm not picky) about computers vs the electric bill. For example, how to calculate how much of an effect a given computer will have on electricity usage. Like, add up the power usage of graphics cards, CPUs, etc., in use and at idle, and factor in the time it's on/standing by/off.
I'm still in shock that for the month out of the year that my computer was out of commission (i broke it good). My electric bill was only about 1/2 - 2/3rds of what it normally is. That's a huge difference even though I live in a small condo. And you could bring it back around to the performance side of things by showing what a difference overclocking can make on power usage.
I know it's a depressing subject, but efficiency and envirenment-consciousness are important to a lot of people right now.
Also, I think it would be cool if you guys did an article (or blog, I'm not picky) about computers vs the electric bill. For example, how to calculate how much of an effect a given computer will have on electricity usage. Like, add up the power usage of graphics cards, CPUs, etc., in use and at idle, and factor in the time it's on/standing by/off.
I'm still in shock that for the month out of the year that my computer was out of commission (i broke it good). My electric bill was only about 1/2 - 2/3rds of what it normally is. That's a huge difference even though I live in a small condo. And you could bring it back around to the performance side of things by showing what a difference overclocking can make on power usage.
I know it's a depressing subject, but efficiency and envirenment-consciousness are important to a lot of people right now.
RE: Efficiency during standby? by mindless1 on Monday, June 09, 2008
That would hardly require a blog. Just a chart or even rough guess then look at your power bill for the KWH cost and the math is simple.
Or look at the power bill to get cost and program that into a Kill-A-Watt meter.
Or look at the power bill to get cost and program that into a Kill-A-Watt meter.
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This is EXACTLY the same internals as earthwatts at a 50% price premium.
How depressing :(