[QUOTE]OST are often used by Seasonic, but they don't have the best reputation.[/QUOTE]
I'd amend that comment by adding "not uncommon for lower end Seasonic power supplies" to that because I defy you to find OSX caps in anything other than a lower-end Seasonic build....and in nothing that is placed as coming from a "premium power supply maker."
Anything other than a lower end build from Seasonic will have nothing less than RubyCon, Hitachi, and/or Chemi-Con caps in them....and to imply OSX caps are being used indiscriminately throughout all Seasonic's builds, which that single comment implies, is wholly incorrect.
Again, outside of basic bottom-feeder builds from Seasonic, such as an Antec Earthwatt, I defy you to find a single OSX cap anywhere in their builds.....Corsair certainly has none in any of theirs, Seasonic uses none in anything of 500W or greater capacity, and to find OSX caps in a PCP&C power supply, no matter the wattage, is to see the influence of OCZ finally rearing its ugly head in cost cutting. To save a couple of dollars in what it costs Seasonic to use OSX over Chemi-Con or Hitachi or the like is troubling, esp. given PCP&C's marketing position as a "premium" product.
Appearance
The package comes with pictures and facts on it, another change since the OCZ purchase. Previously, PCP&C shipped all power supplies in white boxes, and OCZ is obviously a bit more concerned with the marketing angle. There are screws, a manual in three languages, and a power cord in the box. The power supply comes in a black coating we are familiar with from many other PCP&C models.
Also familiar is the 80mm fan in the back that exhausts hot air from the unit. We found an Adda sleeve-bearing fan, which can be quiet at lower RPMs but can also get very loud if necessary. We'll see if that's a concern later in our testing.
Cables and Connectors
PCP&C generally tries to position the connectors such that users have better connectivity with fewer cables hanging around. There are six Molex and six SATA connectors attached, providing users a selection of distances to the power supply. One harness features an additional floppy connector. There is a 24-pin connector and a 4-pin/8-pin connector for the motherboard. PCI-E graphics cards can be powered by the two 6-pin PEG connectors, one of which can convert to an 8-pin connector. You will be able to run an SLI setup, provided each card requires only one 6-pin connector; alternately, you can run a single more demanding card that requires two 6-pin connectors or one 6-pin and one 8-pin connector. That's not too shabby for a 500W PSU!
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OSX in a PCP&C????? by C'DaleRider on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
RE: OSX in a PCP&C????? by yyrkoon on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
I find it a bit silly that you ask to 'not soil' your name brand of choice, but then you go and soil about 5 other brand names yourself.
Well done ! (not).
Well done ! (not).
RE: OSX in a PCP&C????? by HOOfan 1 on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
all of the brands he mentioned were made by Seasonic.
The capacitor selection was also most likely the choice of PC P&C and Antec, not Seasonic.
Just like it was likely Antec's choice to use Fuhjyyu capacitors on the CWT built units.
What C'Dale Rider is objecting to is the author's assertion that it is somehow Seasonic's choice to use questionable capacitors, when it is more likely the choice of the company they make the unit for.
Corsairs are made by Seasonic and they use Hitachi and Nippon Chemicon capacitors..as do Seasonic's own branded PSUs.
The capacitor selection was also most likely the choice of PC P&C and Antec, not Seasonic.
Just like it was likely Antec's choice to use Fuhjyyu capacitors on the CWT built units.
What C'Dale Rider is objecting to is the author's assertion that it is somehow Seasonic's choice to use questionable capacitors, when it is more likely the choice of the company they make the unit for.
Corsairs are made by Seasonic and they use Hitachi and Nippon Chemicon capacitors..as do Seasonic's own branded PSUs.
RE: OSX in a PCP&C????? by Christoph Katzer on Wednesday, June 11, 2008
Depends on the budget for the product. But don't think the buyer is going to search for components and probably even purchases them himself. The manufacturer chooses them according to budget and MAYBE presents a selection to choose from.
Efficiency during standby? by The Irish Patient on Monday, June 09, 2008
Christopher,
Is there any particular reason that all of the PSU reviews at Anandtech limit efficiency ratings to outputs of about 50W and higher?
Like it or not, I rarely shut my computer off. A typical week is probably 10 hours running and 158 hours in standby. For all I know, my power consumption during standby may exceed consumption during actual usage, depending on how low the efficiency during standby is. However, the point is that I don't know since there's no data available.
Just making it up, assume that power supply output during standby is 2W but efficiency is only 10%. That would be about 14 kilowatt-hours consumed during a month.
Given the trend to "green" electronics, it wouldn't hurt to include this spec in your reviews.
Is there any particular reason that all of the PSU reviews at Anandtech limit efficiency ratings to outputs of about 50W and higher?
Like it or not, I rarely shut my computer off. A typical week is probably 10 hours running and 158 hours in standby. For all I know, my power consumption during standby may exceed consumption during actual usage, depending on how low the efficiency during standby is. However, the point is that I don't know since there's no data available.
Just making it up, assume that power supply output during standby is 2W but efficiency is only 10%. That would be about 14 kilowatt-hours consumed during a month.
Given the trend to "green" electronics, it wouldn't hurt to include this spec in your reviews.
RE: Efficiency during standby? by mindless1 on Monday, June 09, 2008
No, it is always true that standby uses less power. Even if efficiency goes down it is always inherant that it be using less total power FOR that efficiency to go down (it is the cause of efficiency going down).
Therefore, you are basically worrying about nothing important. If power consumption itself is important then hibernate, don't go only into standby.
Therefore, you are basically worrying about nothing important. If power consumption itself is important then hibernate, don't go only into standby.
RE: Efficiency during standby? by Christoph Katzer on Monday, June 09, 2008
Hi, I had standby efficiency ratings in the beginning but nobody seemed to be interested in it. Standby efficiency is never really good but i can surely include then in future again. :)
RE: Efficiency during standby? by icingdeath88 on Monday, June 09, 2008
Seconded
Also, I think it would be cool if you guys did an article (or blog, I'm not picky) about computers vs the electric bill. For example, how to calculate how much of an effect a given computer will have on electricity usage. Like, add up the power usage of graphics cards, CPUs, etc., in use and at idle, and factor in the time it's on/standing by/off.
I'm still in shock that for the month out of the year that my computer was out of commission (i broke it good). My electric bill was only about 1/2 - 2/3rds of what it normally is. That's a huge difference even though I live in a small condo. And you could bring it back around to the performance side of things by showing what a difference overclocking can make on power usage.
I know it's a depressing subject, but efficiency and envirenment-consciousness are important to a lot of people right now.
Also, I think it would be cool if you guys did an article (or blog, I'm not picky) about computers vs the electric bill. For example, how to calculate how much of an effect a given computer will have on electricity usage. Like, add up the power usage of graphics cards, CPUs, etc., in use and at idle, and factor in the time it's on/standing by/off.
I'm still in shock that for the month out of the year that my computer was out of commission (i broke it good). My electric bill was only about 1/2 - 2/3rds of what it normally is. That's a huge difference even though I live in a small condo. And you could bring it back around to the performance side of things by showing what a difference overclocking can make on power usage.
I know it's a depressing subject, but efficiency and envirenment-consciousness are important to a lot of people right now.
RE: Efficiency during standby? by mindless1 on Monday, June 09, 2008
That would hardly require a blog. Just a chart or even rough guess then look at your power bill for the KWH cost and the math is simple.
Or look at the power bill to get cost and program that into a Kill-A-Watt meter.
Or look at the power bill to get cost and program that into a Kill-A-Watt meter.
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@marcreichman what's insane is that you can get that much compute in blades now as well
@anshelsag haha yeah, too late, clicked the wrong button :)
Will be doing power and perf comparison between the old and new configs over the coming weeks. For now, it's bedtime
That was high-end back in 2006 - 8 cores in a 4U box, now we have 12 in a 2U box
Finally carried our old DB server up to the lab: four socket, dual-core Opteron 880 based HP ProLiant DL585 http://t.co/ftyi8BPF
@ozym4ndias @wilshipley @pmod not really, not internal at least. here's a hint: http://t.co/iv6wXn7I :)
@RandomMegaBytes the 512GB drive won't actually update to the latest firmware, but the 128/256GB drives are very quick
@pmod IVB gives you the same memory bandwidth as SNB, likely see DDR3-1600 in mobile
@wilshipley @pmod remember with Ivy Bridge TDPs don't actually go down, in 2013 that will change though...
@wilshipley @pmod The Pro won't go away entirely, but we will see a trend towards thinner notebooks in general.
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This is EXACTLY the same internals as earthwatts at a 50% price premium.
How depressing :(