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Deal of the Weekend - AMD Phenom II X4 940, Kingston DDR3, and more stuff...
Deal of the Weekend - AMD Phenom II X4 940, Kingston DDR3, and more stuff...
Date: April 18th, 2009
Topic: Guides
Manufacturer: AMD
Author: Gary Key
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Sometimes you just have to adhere to that old principle, "You need to spend money to save money." Well, I try that line on my wife about six times a year and usually it works at least once - maybe twice depending on how the kids are acting. It actually worked today (selling off a garage full of car parts helped a great deal from a budget viewpoint). I decided to upgrade a couple of computers in the home from the rather thermally challenged Phenom 9950BE to the cooler running and faster Phenom II before summer arrives.

Now, my first choice was the Phenom II X3 720BE as it just has that near perfect blend of performance and value, just like the Q6600 I am using right now to type this short story. I almost pulled the trigger on two of the 720BE processors last night but I am glad I waited. More like I had yet another setback in DDR3 testing as the Core i7 D0 stepping had turned our test results upside down (more on that later) and the last thing on my mind was an upgrade. Anyway, an interesting shoppers alert hit the email account this morning that featured the Phenom II X4 940 and now I am glad I was distracted last night. Not that I had an easy decision to make based on my thoughts about the 720BE, but in the end I decided a slightly higher clock speed and extra core outweighed the slight cost penalty and potential upgrade to DDR3.

If you check out our Bench analysis tool then you'll know AMD's quad-core Phenom II 940 is serious competition in terms of both price and performance to the similarly priced Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200. I already have a couple of really nice AM2+ motherboards from ASRock and ASUS in these systems along with 8GB of memory. That just leaves a CPU and video card as my last two items to upgrade in these systems before they are sealed up and left for the kids to use until the next great game or social networking site requires an upgrade.

Up first is the Phenom II X4 940 that is now priced at $168.99 with free shipping from ZipZoomfly. That's a terrific deal that's obviously influenced by AMD's preparations for their new 955/945 series, due out shortly. This a $35 premium over the 720BE, but considering the number of video/audio applications we utilize along with the constant need to have every messaging, social networking, and browser window open, a fourth core and increased speed is worth it for us.

Second up is the video card. Both machines have a Sapphire HD4850 512GB currently installed in them. Those cards are actually overkill for the typical SOHO system, but the kids like to game and with their new monitors now running at a 1920x1080 native resolution instead of 1440x900, a slight performance upgrade is required. This was a difficult choice, from both a budget perspective and the numerous cards available on the market. Yes, this is a great time to buy a video card geared towards the performance crowd. A HD 4870 1GB seemed like the natural choice considering the current price structure but the more I thought about it, the more a GTX 275 or HD 4890 made sense for the long run as these boxes would be locked up for two years or more.

I am reconsidering my choices now as a GTX 260-216 or HD 4870 1GB would have hit my price point and needs exactly as it turns out. I almost went that direction until I succumbed to that evil galactic force known as marketing. The motto "More Power" overcame the sensible side in me. After using both the HD 4890 1GB and GTX 275 cards in testing for the last week or so, I became more and more enamored with the GTX 275. It pains me to say that as I have not been a big fan of NVIDIA as of late, especially from a professional viewpoint (ah, the stories one could tell). Feelings aside, the GTX 275 is a nice bit of technology with excellent support from not only NVIDIA but developers as well.

I wanted to keep both the cards the same due to support reasons. Unfortunately, I cannot charge my kids $50 an hour for tech support so having the same setup makes sense for several reasons. Not only is upgrading the system's software easier from the home network server, but it also means my youngest daughter does not play the "he always gets better stuff than I do" card. However, in this case, it made sense to split up the choices.

One, I prefer to spread the money around to the various companies as competition is good, but also, my son is heavy into gaming. That means he always wants the latest game and at this point, NVIDIA just has better developer support than AMD. Also, he tends to experiment with the computer when it comes to video editing and encoding so the CUDA support planned or available is a bonus for him. That means a GTX 275 is going into his system.

The other machine has an edutainment usage pattern, although 3D gaming is also important. With that in mind and the fact that my daughter wants to setup a small home entertainment system in her room so she will not have to spend any more time than necessary with us (the joys of raising teenagers), meant an HD 4890 would be more than enough for her needs. The HD 4890 features 7.1 LPCM audio output, which fits perfectly with her new (well used in my test room) A/V receiver, something the NV cards are lacking at this time.


The purchasing decision for both cards really came down to price for the most part. While features, support, warranty, and availability were obviously important, knowing how both cards would be utilized meant I could focus on price. I ended up choosing the Sparkle GTX 275 at $259.99 with free shipping and Call of Duty: World at War, a game my son wants to play on the PC now (so I save $40 with this bundle) after spending very little time with it on the Xbox 360, except in Zombie mode. The PNY card is now offered with the same price and software bundle if branding is important. The ASUS card was also offered at the same price along with the same game software package but shipping was not free.

Figuring out which HD 4890 card to purchase was a bit more difficult as there were 14 choices compared to seven for the GTX 275. I was slightly biased as I already had an ASUS EAH4890 for testing at work and decided to go that route if possible or even pickup the TOP version of the card. Both cards had competitive pricing and excellent software bundles but free shipping was not included. Cards from HIS, MSI, Gigabyte, Sapphire, and PowerColor were all available at $249.99 with a $20 MIR along with Newegg throwing in an OCZ 4GB flash drive and free shipping. Any of the cards would be a good choice but after looking at the accessory kits, it came down to the MSI, Gigabyte, or Sapphire cards for our needs. In the end I picked the MSI OC HD 4890 card based on the slightly higher clock speeds compared to the other cards, not that it makes any real difference but it broke the tiebreaker.

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17 Comments - Last by faxon, 213 days ago
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Typo by LSnK, 214 days ago
First line: you adhere to a principle - a principal works in a school.

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kids by Hrel, 214 days ago
Those are some lucky kids...

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One by Miggle, 214 days ago
Can you be my dad?

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RE: One by faxon, 213 days ago
i was thinking the same thing. my dad gives me some sweet hardware sometimes (got a 9800PRO, 2900PRO,2 400GB 7200.10 barracudas, and a 22 inch LG W2252TQ monitor, as well as other stuff), but that listing just takes the cake. best i have been able to get out of my dad in the last year or so is a monitor which is actually saving us on our power bill vs the 21 inch CRT i was using before, and some bottles of BBQ sauce from texas, which he gets from business trips lol. why must he be a software consultant! all the stuff he works with hands on is under NDA and it's not of much any use to me anyways

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MSI HD4890 by kmmatney, 214 days ago
I picked up the HD4890 (non OC model) yesterday from ZZF for $179 AR (price was a decent $199 before rebate). I didn't "really" need a new card, but the price was hard to pass up, and it will be nice to play all games at 1920 x 1200. Our house follows the trickle down theory - my oldest son gets my current HD4830, while my younger son gets my even older X850XT.

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RE: MSI HD4890 by GeorgeH, 214 days ago
Lucky bastard; I hope ZZF honors that price. Unless MSI cut them one hell of a deal, $199 looked more like a pricing error than it did a deliberate sale (it's now "out of stock" and back up at $219.)

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RE: MSI HD4890 by kmmatney, 214 days ago
Yeah, I hope the sale goes through. I paid with Paypal, and the money hasn't been refunded yet, so things are looking good so far. I can't wait to get the card.

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Crazy gamers ;) by DeltaZero, 214 days ago
We have 3 PCs in the family, one is 780G, one G965, and the one I used for gaming has 6800GS.
Upgrading an HD4850? You're crazy)))))))))

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RE: Crazy gamers ;) by nubie, 214 days ago
That was almost my thoughts.

I could barely afford the $43 I spent on my 8600GTS (NOT GT!!).

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Nice shopping spree... :) by LuxZg, 214 days ago
Well, last year or two my situation with hardware (actually, with MONEY) had improved quite a bit, though even now I wouldn't be able to afford ALL that, my wife would probably hang me on a nearby tree ;) :D

But today I finaly DID order that HD4890 (reference clocked) and two WD 640GB Black drives I was hoping for for quite some time..

I actualy upgraded graphics from HD4870 (512MB) which I sold some 2 months ago.. so call me crazy :) But I did sell that 4870 card before all the price drops started, so I had to add just ~25$ to the money I got from the 4870's sale.

All in all, nice article.. should be more of article like these, with a REAL world scenario, and someone actually spending the money, so that you can get a feeling "that man really cares about what he just bought"..

Oh, and I'm glad that he too picked HD4890 for his daughter. While I do gaming more in the line of his son, I'm more into HT setup as his daughter, and don't care a bit about encoding video. So I believe my choice will also satisfy me.

Just one thing lacking from this story, and which I need.. A shopping spree for monitor with 1920x1080 (or 1200) resolution :) Now that a new card is on the way, I REALLY need a new display to use up al lthat horsepower :D

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