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The Athlon II X2 & Phenom II X2: 45nm Dual-Core from AMD
The Athlon II X2 & Phenom II X2: 45nm Dual-Core from AMD
Date: June 2nd, 2009
Topic: CPU & Chipset
Manufacturer: AMD
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi
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Intel’s Response: The Pentium E6300

AMD has two new dual-core chips priced at $87 and $102, both run at or around 3.0GHz and have a fair amount of cache.  The Athlon II X2 250 has a 1MB L2 per core (2MB total) while the Phenom II X2 550 BE has a large 6MB L3 to share between its two cores.  These are both very healthy sounding processors, borderline scary if you’re Intel.


The Pentium E6300

In the blue corner we have the new Pentium E6300.  It’s a 45nm monolithic dual-core part, just like the Athlon II X2.  It has a 2MB L2 cache also like the Athlon II X2, albeit shared between the two cores which is potentially an upside.  Unlike previous Pentium for Desktop (that’s the official name) processors, the E6300 uses a 1066MHz FSB and it supports Intel’s VT.  The problem?  The E6300 only runs at 2.80GHz; AMD has a clock speed advantage.

In our first Phenom II review I talked about how AMD needs a clock speed advantage to compete.  Compared to a large-cache Core 2, that’s very true, but the E6300 doesn’t have a healthy 6MB L2 for two cores.  It’s only got 2MB.  All of the sudden things aren’t looking so rosy for Intel.

An inherent advantage of Intel’s Core architecture is its 4-issue front end (which in some cases can behave like a 5-issue front end).  The problem is feeding such a beast requires very fast memory access.  The Pentium E6300 is still based on the same architecture as the Core 2 Duo, meaning it has no on-die memory controller.  Rob it of a decent sized cache and its performance suffers.  A quick look at Bench shows us that even an extra megabyte of cache helps tremendously:

Processor SYSMark 2007 Overall
Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 (2.93GHz/3MB L2) 173
Intel Pentium E6300 (2.80GHz/2MB L2) 158

 

Note that when Conroe first launched some parts (the Core 2 Duo E6300 funny enough) only had a 2MB L2.  The problem is that was nearly three years ago; applications have grown in size and so have their demands from processors.  What was acceptable back then is now not.  I’d like to see Intel move its 3MB L2 caches down to these sub-$100 price points.  But I’ll let the benchmarks decide whether or not it’s necessary.

Processor Clock Speed L2 Cache TDP Price
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.00GHz 12MB 95W $316
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz 12MB 95W $266
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz 6MB 95W $213
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz 6MB 95W $213
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 2.66GHz 4MB 95W $183
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 2.50GHz 4MB 95W $183
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB 95W $163
Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 3.33GHz 6MB 65W $266
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16GHz 6MB 65W $183
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz 6MB 65W $163
Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 2.93GHz 3MB 65W $133
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 2.80GHz 3MB 65W $113
Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 2.66GHz 3MB 65W $113
Intel Pentium E6300 2.80GHz 2MB 65W $84
Intel Pentium E5400 2.70GHz 2MB 65W $84
Intel Pentium E5300 2.60GHz 2MB 65W $74
Intel Pentium E5200 2.50GHz 2MB 65W $64
Intel Pentium E2220 2.40GHz 1MB 65W $64
Intel Pentium E2200 2.20GHz 1MB 65W $64
Intel Celeron E1500 2.20GHz 512KB 65W $53
Intel Celeron E1400 2.00GHz 512KB 65W $43
Intel Celeron 450 2.20GHz 512KB 35W $53
Intel Celeron 440 2.00GHz 512KB 35W $44
Intel Celeron 430 1.80GHz 512KB 35W $34
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55 Comments - Last by adiposity, 249 days ago
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graph by ssj4Gogeta, 252 days ago
Anand, the x264 first pass encoding graph is "higher is better" but the processors are arranged with the shortest bar (slowest processor) on the top. Please fix that.

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RE: graph by Ryan Smith, 252 days ago
Noted and fixed.

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Found a typo in the first CPU table by Eeqmcsq, 252 days ago
The one comparing various Athlon X2 specs. The table says the Athlon 64 X2 has 4 cores.

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RE: Found a typo in the first CPU table by Anand Lal Shimpi, 252 days ago
Woops, thank you :)

-A

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linux kernel compilation tests by haplo602, 252 days ago
can you include linux kernel compilation tests, or something similar or larger (gcc, libqt, X) ??? would help me much more than gaming and 3d rendering benches :-)

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RE: linux kernel compilation tests by virvan, 252 days ago
Anand, I BEG you to include some kind of compilation tests in the "bench" application; some of us are actually programmers that spend more time building than watching or transcoding movies ;)
A Linux Kernel bench + some kind of MS Visual C++ benchmark would be extremely welcome.
Btw, when could we expect the old CPUs to be added to Bench? I am specifically waiting for Athlon XP and P3/P4's.
10x

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RE: linux kernel compilation tests by Anand Lal Shimpi, 252 days ago
I really do want to include a software build test, the question is what is the simplest to setup and run, most representative and most repeatable test I can run?

I'd prefer something under Windows because it means one less OS/image change (which matters if you're trying to run something on ~70 different configurations) but I'm open to all suggestions.

Thoughts? Feel free to take this conversation offline over email if you'd like to help.

Take care,
Anand

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RE: linux kernel compilation tests by adiposity, 252 days ago
A fairly decent size build that I do is Qt under VS 2008.

Instructions are here:

http://wiki.qtcentre.org/index.php?title=Qt4_with_Visual_Studio

Download source here:

http://www.qtsoftware.com/downloads/windows-cpp

You can use VS2008 Express.

-Dan

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RE: linux kernel compilation tests by smitty3268, 251 days ago
All of Qt might be a bit large for a simple benchmark.

Something like Paint.NET or NDepend might make a good C# test.

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RE: linux kernel compilation tests by adiposity, 251 days ago
Use:

nmake sub-src

It only compiles qt libraries, not the tools or examples.

It really does not take very long (less than 10 minutes on a Core2Duo 2.4).

-Dan

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