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AMD's Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition
AMD's Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition
Date: April 23rd, 2009
Topic: CPU & Chipset
Manufacturer: AMD
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi
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The Move to DDR3: You Can Do It

The Phenom II 955 and 945 support both DDR3 and DDR2 memory. Just a couple of months ago you could save a good amount of money by going with DDR2 over DDR3, but these days the price difference is negligible.

A good pair of 2GB DDR2-1066 sticks will set you back around $57 while a pair of 2GB DDR3-1333 modules will sell for around $60. The problem is that faster DDR3 modules usually have higher latencies associated with them. The table below shows the CAS latency of these modules in ns:

Memory DDR2-800 DDR2-1066 DDR3-1066 DDR3-1333 DDR3-1600
Data Rate 800MHz 1066MHz 1066MHz 1333MHz 1600MHz
CAS Latency 4 5 5 7 9
CAS Latency in ns 5 ns 4.69 ns 4.69 ns 5.25 ns 5.63 ns

 

From a latency perspective, DDR2 or DDR3-1066 at CL5 is your best bet. However there is a benefit from having more bandwidth; DDR3-1333 delivers 25% more bandwidth but typical DDR3-1333 modules run at CL7 which translates into 12% higher CAS latency than CL5 at 1066.

The chart below shows the performance improvement from running DDR3-1333 (7-7-7-20) vs. DDR2-1066 (5-5-5-15) on the Phenom II X4 955:

In all but two cases the improved bandwidth, but higher latency DDR3-1333 was faster - but the average performance improvement was only 2%. Some applications managed to see a 5 - 6% increase in performance but overall don’t sweat the difference.

Obviously DDR3 is going to do you more good in the long run so it’s what I’d recommend you stick to if you are building a new system. It’s lasted us a long time and we’ve enjoyed its extreme affordability, but DDR2 is finally on its way out.

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59 Comments - Last by dragonsphere, 196 days ago
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just a note by Holly, 292 days ago
Nice article :-)

btw... last paragraph on the first page... "faster than the Core 2 Duo Q9550." should say "faster than the Core 2 Quad Q9550."

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memory setup by duploxxx, 292 days ago
why do you use these 1GB dimm's in ddr3 config? I would assume you have more oc issues with 4 dimms in stead off 2 dimms?

G.Skill DDR2-800 2 x 2GB (4-4-4-12)
G.Skill DDR2-1066 2 x 2GB (5-5-5-15)
Qimonda DDR3-1066 4 x 1GB (7-7-7-20)
Corsair DDR3-1333 4 x 1GB (7-7-7-20)

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Question by Spoelie, 292 days ago
In the CS4 test, given the large increase in performance when just going from DDR2 to DDR3, would a faster NB clock (2->2.6/2.8ghz) and faster than DDR1333 memory, while keeping the core at default clock, level the playing field with the core2 processors?

Seems that in this particular test the phenom is starved for data.

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Overclocking x86 vs x64 by Lokinhow, 292 days ago
Oh man, I thinking about the OC
3.9GHz on Vista x64
4.2GHz on Vista x86

Why it happens?
Does the results are the same using XP x86/x64 and Windows 7 x86/x64?

That would be interesting to see if it is possible to reach 4.2GHz on Windows 7 x64

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RE: Overclocking x86 vs x64 by Griswold, 292 days ago
Dont hold your breath. Theres more registers (etc) in use under a 64bit OS than a 32bit one. Its highly unlikely that there will be any difference on the exact same hardware. And even if there is a difference between xp/vista/7, 32bit 7 will outdo 64bit 7 as well. 64bit was never the ideal choice for overclocking records...


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Company A / Company B by lopri, 292 days ago
Unfortunately
Sadly
Unlikely
Disappointing
Useless
Waste
Unpleasant
Painfully
Negligible

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Luckily
Thankfully
Great
Possibility
Benefit
impressive
Once again
Surprise
Refreshing

Next up (my guess): SSD or Mac

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RE: Company A / Company B by whatthehey, 292 days ago
Congratulations on the cryptic post... or is that pointless post? I'm guessing you're suggesting that the words listed were used with two different companies - AMD and Intel - but if so they certainly weren't used in this article in any way I can see. Care to enlighten the rest of us on the point of your comment?

Some people are too clever for their own good; others merely think they're clever. Guess which one you are.

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RE: Company A / Company B by aguilpa1, 292 days ago
Unfortunately - at 3.2 it can't keep up with 2.66 i7
Sadly - AMD needs new architecture
Unlikely - that it will happen soone
Disappointing - results even though quality is improving
Useless - to keep comparing the lates amd to intel
Waste - of article space for these comparisons
Unpleasant - to AMD fans
Painfully - obvious AMD is far behind
Negligible - improvements with new releases

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Luckily - there are other articles to read
Thankfully - I don't own one of these chips or mobos
Great - bunch of useless data
Possibility - AMD may pull something actually new of these days
Benefit - of better pricing and competition
impressive - how I'm still finding things to write on this
Once again - I am bored by a Tom's article
Surprise - (sorry no surprises here)
Refreshing - my post has come to an end.


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RE: Company A / Company B by ChemicalAffinity, 292 days ago
Best post ever.

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RE: Company A / Company B by Procurion, 292 days ago
I can understand some of your comments, but according to his data/listed values, the i7 920 is NOT running at stock speed. The frequency he lists is 2.8, NOT 2.66. What's up with that Anand? I can't see where you mention that your test was run with OC'd cpu's but the speed you list for the i7 920 is overclocked? It does skew the results if that is the case.

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