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AMD - The Road Ahead
AMD - The Road Ahead
Date: May 11th, 2007
Topic: CPU & Chipset
Manufacturer: AMD
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi
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Barcelona Demos and Motherboards

Much to our dismay and definitely against our recommendations, AMD will not follow in Intel's footsteps and let us do a performance preview of Agena or Barcelona. In fact, AMD wouldn't even let us know what clock speeds its demo systems were running at. While we cautioned AMD that a lack of information disclosure at this point would only reinforce this idea that AMD is lagging far behind Intel, AMD's counterpoint does have some validity. AMD's reasoning for not disclosing more information today has to do with not wanting to show all of its cards up front, and to give Intel the opportunity to react. We still don't believe it's the right decision, and we can't help but believe that the reason for not disclosing performance today is because performance isn't where it needs to be, but only AMD knows for sure at this point.

In order to combat worries that Barcelona is fundamentally broken, AMD did give us a couple of live demos of an 8-core QuadFX system and a 4-core Socket-AM2+ system. AMD ran Cinebench as well as Nero Recode on the systems, but it did not let us measure performance on either. Both systems worked fine; they didn't get too hot and they didn't crash.

Undoubtedly Agena and Agena FX work. We suspect that clock speeds aren't quite as high as they need to be but we don't doubt that AMD can get there by its scheduled release sometime in the second half of this year.

AMD also let us get up close and personal with the motherboards used in these systems, but we can't disclose details about the chipsets used just yet. Keep in mind that what you're looking at is AMD's next-generation desktop chipset solution.

The Hammerhead reference board is AMD's Socket-AM2+ reference board that was used in the quad-core Agena system above:


Up and running

The motherboard - Click to Enlarge





All four cores, loaded and running


Socket-AM2+

The Wahoo reference board is AMD's QuadFX Socket-1207+ reference board, used in the eight-core Agena FX system:



Quad core per socket x two sockets


All eight cores, locked and loaded

The Wahoo Motherboard - Click to Enlarge



Socket-1207+


And here's the man that made sure we could see these demos - AMD's Ian McNaughton:


He's also the guy that prevented us from running benchmarks, and hid the Cinebench scores from us:


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55 Comments - Last by TA152H, 1002 days ago
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Fab 36 by Viditor, 1005 days ago
Nice article Anand...
One point, you stated "By the middle of this year AMD's Fab 36 will be completely transitioned over to 65nm"...
Not to pick nits, but didn't AMD just recently announce that all wafer starts were now 65nm at Fab 36? (or are you speaking of wafer outs...?)

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Great article by MrJim, 1005 days ago
Excellent article Anand! Feels very "honest", i think many big corporations must change the way the think about transparency towards the public. Great work.

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Great article - good for AMD by R3MF, 1005 days ago
I am delighted to hear that AMD is on the bounce, as i have always cheered for them.

With the exception of my current C2D PC, i have always bought AMD rigs:
1.2GHz Thunderbird
1.7GHz Thoroughbred
2.0GHz Athlon 64
2.0GHz Athlon X2

So no-one will be more than happy than I to be able to return to the fold, with a shiny new AMD quad-core.

However, if you expect me to buy AMD powered chipsets and graphics cards, then AMD had better pull their socks up on linux support.

I buy nvidia chipsets and graphics cards not because they make better hardware than AMD/ATI, but because i know that i have excellent support in the form of BOTH windows and linux driver support.

Sort that out and I may become an entirely AMD devotee.

If AMD sticks with cack linux drivers along with scuppering nVidia support, then I will wave goodbye to AMD and buy a second Intel/nVidia rig in Autumn this year.

Best of luck AMD, I want you to succeed.

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AMD is smart to NOT tell all about it's upcoming products by Beenthere, 1005 days ago
It's a known fact that Intel has had to try and copy the best features of AMD's products to catch up in performance to AMD. Funny how when Intel was secretive and blackmailing consumers for 30 years that was fine but when AMD doesn't give away all of their upcoming product technical info. for Intel to copy, that's not good -- according to some. With Intel being desperate to generate sales for their non-competitive products over the past 2-3 years, they decided to really manipulate the media - and it's worked. The once secretive Intel is the best friend a hack can find these days. They'll tell a hack anything to get some form of media exposure.

I find AMD's release of info. just fine. If it were not for AMD all consumers would be paying $1000 for a Pentium 90 CPU today and that would be the fastest CPU you could buy. People tend to forget all that AMD has done for consumers. The world would be a lot worse off than it is if it were not for AMD stepping to the plate to take on the bully from Satan Clara.

Many in the media are shills and most of the media is manipulated by unscrupulous companies like Intel, Asus, and a long list of others. Promise a hack some "inside info." or insiders tour so they can get a scoop or a prototype piece of hardware that has been massaged for better performance than the production hardware and the fanboy hacks will write glowing opine about a companies products and chastise the competition every chance they get.

Unfortunately what was once a useful service - honest product reviews -- is now a game of shilling for dollars. You literally can't believe anything reported at 99% of websites these days because it's usually slanted based on which way the money flows... It's no secret that Intel and MICROSUCKS are more than willing to lubricate the wheels of the ShillMeisters to get favorable tripe.


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RE: AMD is smart to NOT tell all about it's upcoming products by goinginstyle, 1005 days ago
So with your logic, if the reviews about Barcelona end up being positive and glowing then we know AMD paid off the reviewers?

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RE: AMD is smart to NOT tell all about it's upcoming products by rADo2, 1005 days ago
Oh man, AMD copied, in fact, all Intel patents, due to their "exchange". They copied x86 instruction set, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, and many others. Intel was the first to come up with 64-bit Itanium.

And AMD is/was damn expensive, while it had a window of opportunity. My most expensive CPU ever bought was AMD X2 4400+ ;-)

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RE: AMD is smart to NOT tell all about it's upcoming products by sprockkets, 1005 days ago
Yeah, and the cheapest CPU I ever bought was an AMD Sempron for $29.

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RE: AMD is smart to NOT tell all about it's upcoming products by fic2, 1005 days ago
What does the 64-bit Itanium have to do with x86. Totally different instruction set.

And what would the Intel equivalent to your X2 4400+ have cost you at the time? Or was there even an Intel equivalent.

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RE: AMD is smart to NOT tell all about it's upcoming products by TA152H, 1005 days ago
Not only that, but HP had more to do with the design than Intel.

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RE: AMD is smart to NOT tell all about it's upcoming products by rADo2, 1005 days ago
I bought X2 because I wanted NVIDIA SLI (2x6800, 2x7800, 2x7900, etc.) with dualcore, so Pentium D was not an option (NVIDIA chipsets for Intel are even worse than for AMD, if that is possible).

X2 was more expensive than my current quadcore, Q6600, and performed really BAD in all things except games.

I hated that CPU, while paying about $850 (including VAT) for it. For audio and video processing, it was a horrible CPU, worse than my previous P4 Northwood with HT, bought for $100, not to mention unstable NVIDIA nForce4 boards, SATA problems, NVIDIA firewall problems, etc.

I never want to see AMD again. Intel CPU + Intel chipset = pure godness.

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