Mobile and Transportable Processors

AMD has been trailing in the mobile performance per Watt competition ever since Intel launched the Pentium M. While they have announced a name change to their Mobile Athlon 64 lineup, they still appear to be using a low power Athlon 64 derivative as opposed to something designed from the ground up for the mobile sector. The good news is that AMD's base designs are generally far less power hungry than Intel's Pentium 4, so a separate design isn't really required. Like Intel, AMD has three categories of mobile processors. First are the DTR models which are essentially just desktop parts put into a laptop, although they may run with slightly lower voltage requirements. The next level up the mobility scale is referred to as Transportable, and the power requirements are 62W or less. Finally, the true Mobile parts are classified as either 35W or 25W parts, with the 25W targeting the Thin and Light category of notebooks. The DTR processors can basically be any of the regular desktop parts, so we'll skip that segment and start with the Transportable chips.

AMD Transportable Roadmap
Processor Core Name Clock Speed Socket Launch Date
Athlon 64 4000+ Newark 2.6 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05
Athlon 64 3700+ Newark 2.4 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Athlon 64 3400+ Newark 2.2 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Athlon 64 3200+ Newark 2.0 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Athlon 64 3000+ Newark 1.8 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Sempron 3600+ Albany 2.2 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q1'06
Sempron 3400+ Albany 2.0 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3300+ Albany 2.0 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3300+ Georgetown 2.0 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 3100+ Albany 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3100+ Georgetown 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 3000+ Albany 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3000+ Dublin/Georgetown 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 2800+ Dublin/Georgetown 1.6 GHz 256K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 2600+ Dublin/Georgetown 1.6 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now

At the high end of the Transportable segment are the Athlon 64 Mobile parts. All of these parts feature 1MB of L2 cache, and most have been available for some time. AMD has recently transitioned from the older 130nm Odessa core - basically a lower power version of the Clawhammer - to the 90nm SOI Newark core. The only new Mobile Athlon 64 part is the 4000+, which runs at the same clock speed as the FX-55 processor but only supports single channel memory. As virtually any socket 754 board should have no trouble supporting these mobile variants, 754 owners looking to upgrade for additional CPU performance might be interested in checking out these parts. The price is generally a bit higher, and a switch to socket 939 is probably the better course of action if you can manage it, but a change from the 1.8 GHz 512K 2800+ to the 4000+ would provide a substantial boost to performance.

The Mobile Sempron is also undergoing a change from the older Georgetown core to the new Albany core (and before Georgetown was the Dublin core). You might still see some of the older core versions out there, but the Albany core is the preferred model, as the 90nm SOI provides much better power and thermal characteristics. While the desktop Sempron parts are slated to get 64-bit support, the mobile parts will remain 32-bit only for the time being. To quote the roadmap, "AMD will introduce 64-bit enabled Mobile AMD Sempron only when it makes sense for our value notebook customers." In other words, most value notebooks ship with lower end components, so 64-bit addressing isn't going to be terribly important for a laptop with 256 or 512 MB of RAM.

In the future, the Mobile platform will also transition to DDR2 support, only the thin and light notebooks will use socket S1 rather than socket M2. S1 appears to mostly be targeting a smaller package size, as it will also be a dual-channel DDR2 platform with support for the security and virtualization enhancements. Two code names appear on the roadmap for S1 parts, the Taylor core will be a dual core Turion 64 processor with security and virtualization support while the Keene will be a single core part without Pacifica and Presidio technologies. For the full size notebooks and desktop replacements (DTR), M2 will be used and the Trinidad core bears the Mobile Athlon 64 moniker with specs identical to Windsor - though cache sizes could differ, we admit. That means dual core, dual-channel DDR2, and security plus virtualization technologies. A Mobile Sempron part based off of the Richmond core drops the virtualization support and runs on a single core. All of these DDR2 mobile parts are scheduled for a Q1'06 release. Having mentioned the Taylor core and Turion 64 brings us to the next group of mobile processors.

AMD Turion 64 Roadmap
Processor Core Name Clock Speed Socket Launch Date
MT-44 Lancaster 2.4 GHz 1MB Socket 754 ???
ML-44 Lancaster 2.4 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q4'05
MT-42 Lancaster 2.4 GHz 512K Socket 754 Q1'06
ML-42 Lancaster 2.4 GHz 512K Socket 754 Q3'05
MT-40 Lancaster 2.2 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05
ML-40 Lancaster 2.2 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05
MT-37 Lancaster 2.0 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05
ML-37 Lancaster 2.0 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
MT-34 Lancaster 1.8 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
ML-34 Lancaster 1.8 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
MT-32 Lancaster 1.8 GHz 512K Socket 754 Now
ML-32 Lancaster 1.8 GHz 512K Socket 754 Now
MT-30 Lancaster 1.6 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
ML-30 Lancaster 1.6 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
MT-28 Lancaster 1.6 GHz 512K Socket 754 ???
ML-28 Lancaster 1.6 GHz 512K Socket 754 ???

We had a small article on the Turion 64 Launch, but there hasn't been a lot to say since then. OEMs haven't been quick to jump on the Turion bandwagon, though there are laptops with the processor available now. The Turion naming scheme is similar to that of the Opteron in that a two digit model indicates relative performance, with higher numbers being better. The second letter indicates suitability for mobile use, with "A" being less suitable and "Z" being ideal. On present models there are only two letters used, L and T, and they correlate to the typical maximum power requirements. "T" models have a maximum TDP of 25W while the "L" models have a maximum TDP of 35W. While both are higher than the 22W rating of Pentium M parts, the T variants ought to perform similarly with Cool n' Quiet enabled. As you can see in the table, the number designation at present is the same for similarly clocked Turion chips, though the T models (model Ts?) will cost more.

All of the Turion parts currently use the Lancaster core, which is a 1MB socket 754 part made on 90nm SOI. As we mentioned before, dual core Turion parts made with the Taylor core will move to socket S1 in mid 2006, competing against the dual core Yonah parts from Intel. Which part will actually be better is anyone's guess right now, as we expect both platforms to offer several improvements over current mobile parts. The one advantage that AMD does have is 64-bit support - we haven't heard anything about Yonah support EM64T yet, so we would guess that initial shipments will remain 32-bit. With Longhorn also scheduled to ship in 2006, the move to 64-bit applications may finally pick up steam in the mainstream market. Turion isn't the only low power processor AMD has, though, so let's take a look at the Thin and Light Sempron parts.

AMD Low Power Mobile Sempron Roadmap
Processor Core Name Clock Speed Socket Launch Date
Sempron 3400+ Roma 2.0 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q1'06
Sempron 3300+ Roma 2.0 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3100+ Roma 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3100+ Sonora 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3000+ Roma 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3000+ Sonora 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 2800+ Roma 1.6 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 2800+ Dublin/Sonora 1.6 GHz 256K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 2600+ Roma 1.6 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 2600+ Dublin 1.6 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now

All of the Thin and Light Semprons have a TDP of 25W, the same as the Turion MT chips. They also run on socket 754, like the Turion, though future parts will move to S1. Previous Mobile Sempron chips have used the Dublin and Sonora cores - mobile variants of the Newcastle and Paris desktop cores, respectively. The interesting thing is that the earlier Dublin-based Mobile Semprons used to bear the Athlon XP name, even though they were Athlon 64 derivatives since they ran on socket 754. AMD is now switching to the Roma core, which is the Mobile version of the Palermo core. It adds SSE3 support to the design, among other small tweaks. Most of the Roma chips should be available shortly, with the only new model being the Sempron 3400+ scheduled for early 2006.

There are a lot of overlapping code names and models in AMD's mobile sector, and to be honest we're not exactly sure what differences - if any - exist between the Turion Lancaster and the Mobile Athlon 64 Newark. They may be identical with the difference being binning, or there may be some small architectural tweaks that separate them. The same holds for the Albany vs. Roma and Georgetown vs. Sonora comparisons. But enough about mobile chips; let's get on to the last sector.

The Desktop Opterons and Final Thoughts
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  • john matthews - Saturday, January 21, 2006 - link

    The Sempron 3200+ socket 939 processors are being used in Compaq presario's, model # SR1603. I have been trying to find any documentation I could on this chip because AMD's website said it did not exist despite the fact that SANDRA and CPU-Z were telling me that I had a socket 939 Sempron. CPU-Z reports the chip as a Sempron 3200+, Code Name Palermo, Brand ID 38, socket 939, Family F, Model F, Stepping 2, Ext Family F, Ext Model 2F, Revision E6. I have been searching the web for the last three weeks looking for some info on this processor and this is the first documentation I have found on it. I even EMailed AMD tech support and they denied any knowledge of it.
  • Griswold - Friday, August 5, 2005 - link

    Guess I'll just buy me a X2 soon and dont bother with M2 for a year or two (from the time it is released)
  • Anemone - Friday, July 29, 2005 - link

    Presently I have a relatively cheap Intel chip and a nice 2gb of ram (it makes what I do work out fine). If AMD were to have DDR2 support right now, I'd switch cpu's and mobo in an instant. Guess I'm just kinda sad it'll take a year before that's a possibility.

    However, saying that I am still wishing they'd spend till 2007 supporting upgrades for the 939 socket folks. Imo, supporting them with better cpu's to plug in to their systems would be a nice thank you for giving the business to AMD. I know, but it's my $.02.

    So I guess I wait till next year, as I'm not going to invest in 2gb of DDR at this point. OH well!

    $.02
  • OC DETECTIVE - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    Strange you say you cant mention the lower speed X2 aka 3800+ after all it is on AMD's website if you look hard enough.(Just click on processor)
    http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalReso...">http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Te...182_869_...
    Couple of other comments - to date there are no cache disabled Manchesters (they have a different die size to the Toledo 147 v 199mm2) and the X2 3800+ and X2 4200+ TDP is only 89W.
  • KristopherKubicki - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    That's the unfortunate problem of NDA. AMD hasn't actually leaked the specs yet, even though they leaked the name it looks like. I don't think anyone from AMD is going to hammer us about talking about the chip, but I'm not in the mood to push my luck either.

    Kristopher
  • aldamon - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    Kristopher, could you please back up this statement:

    "As virtually any socket 754 board should have no trouble supporting these mobile variants, 754 owners looking to upgrade for additional CPU performance might be interested in checking out these parts."

  • KristopherKubicki - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link

    aldamon: In comparison to Turion, Athlon 64-M is pretty well supported by motherboard manufacturers. I've heard various horror stories of getting Turion to work in desktop motherboards, howeever.

    Kristopher
  • aldamon - Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - link

    You didn't say "well supported" in the article. You said "virtually any socket 754 board" could run the 4000+. As far as I know, only the DFI Lanparty UT nForce3 can run mobiles without problems. The MSI and Chaintech boards can do it too but with quirks. That's a far cry from "virtually any socket 754."

    Also, mobiles do not come with an IHS. That messes with the HSF spacing for a lot of mobo / HSF combos.

    What I'm getting at here is that virtually any S754 SHOULD be able to run the chip but they can't. Maybe if AT called out a few of these companies we'd get proper BIOS support. I'd love to have an upgrade path for my Epox 8KDA3J.

    How about an AT article on 4000+ Newark support?
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - link

    First it has to be realeased. Then we need to email the board manufacturers and ask about support for Athlon 64-M and Turion. We may be looking at a Turion/64-M article in the future, so that will give me a good reason to email a variety of manufacturers and ask about support.
  • aldamon - Thursday, July 28, 2005 - link

    That would be great. Thanks.

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