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Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 - Penryn Ticks Ahead
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 - Penryn Ticks Ahead
Date: October 29th, 2007
Topic: CPU & Chipset
Manufacturer: Intel
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi
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The Phenom Question

The CPU wars aren't over for the year, despite there being only 64 days left in the calendar. AMD is committed to releasing Phenom in 2007, and with it will come a definite change in the balance between AMD and Intel. No one is expecting AMD to take the overall performance crown away from Intel - AMD simply won't be able to hit the clock speeds necessary - but will it be any more competitive at mainstream price points?

When AMD's Barcelona launched we attempted to simulate desktop performance vs. its K8 architecture in a handful of applications; we came up with the following chart:

Using those numbers, we took our Athlon 64 X2 6000+ results and scaled them according to where we expect Phenom to perform. We then put this simulated Phenom head-to-head with an identically clocked Core 2 Duo E6850 as well as the price-competitor to the 6000+, the E6550.

Note that this is a very rough comparison, first because the scaling values we have were taken from a quad-core Barcelona vs. two dual-core K8s and we're applying it to a dual-core K8 here. Second, AMD isn't going to be launching a 3.0GHz dual-core Phenom until sometime next year - most likely after Intel has already started shipping mainstream Wolfdale parts - which means that AMD will be competing against a completely different beast when that happens. Regardless, the comparison is still an interesting one to make; let's see if we can get any sort of expectations for what is to come.


*Denotes time in seconds, lower bars mean better performance

Clock for clock, Intel still holds on to the lead, but note that there are some situations where our simulated 3.0GHz Phenom X2 outperforms the E6550, which could be its price competitor. Again, we're assuming that a dual-core desktop Phenom will scale as well as our quad-core Barcelona and we're also assuming that AMD can price Phenom this competitively and that Intel doesn't respond with even more aggressive pricing. That's a lot of assumptions for AMD to be able to pull ahead of Intel at the same price point, but then we need to factor in the other P: Penryn.

In a couple of the areas that will be close between AMD and Intel, such as DivX and 3dsmax, Penryn happens to do really well. That means any gains AMD could make there with Phenom may be negated by the performance boost we're seeing from Penryn, leaving us in much of the same situation that we are in today. The only saving grace for AMD is that there are some areas where Intel just doesn't get a big performance boost from Penryn (e.g. SYSMark, Lightwave), and in those benchmarks Phenom will make AMD more competitive.

The end result is that we expect Phenom to make AMD more competitive, but because of Penryn and aggressive pricing - and if our assumptions are correct - it doesn't look like we'll see the sort of upset that Intel pulled on AMD with the launch of the original Core 2. (Or that AMD pulled on Intel with K8 vs. NetBurst.)

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17 Comments - Last by pringlep0, 481 days ago
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so by sprockkets, 754 days ago
Just a question, what was the difference from Core to Core 2? All I could ever fine was cache size was increased.

Now that I'm thinking about it, why not the name Quadro? Oh, nVidia ownz it.

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RE: so by sprockkets, 754 days ago
On page 9 I believe you are grabbing some old benchmarks, old in the sense of your previous articles. I believe I pointed this out to you as a mistake, and now it is here in the bar graph. Again, how is it that the 2.33ghz C2D outperforms the 3ghz one?

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RE: so by defter, 754 days ago
Core Duo (Yonah) was based on Pentium M.

Core2 (Conroe) is a new architecture.

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RE: so by sprockkets, 753 days ago
actually i found a comparison page about it, and core 2 isn't that much different from core. Yes, it updated a lot and gave improved performance. No, it is not a completely new architecture from PM, but you can say a big difference from the P4.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2808&p=4

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ew by GlassHouse69, 754 days ago
ew.

intel again ftw. blech. They made a great chip. power usage is fantastic. One could get even lower total wattages (by far) if they concentrated on doing so. a quad core that can be cooled near silently. neat :)



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Graphs on Page 4 by Canadian87, 754 days ago
I'd like to point out that someone must have been tired when writing this. The graphs here on page 4 say "QX6950" VS "QX6850", simple reversal of the numbers, but I'd like to correct it for those that might be confused, took me a moment to figure out which was which myself the "QX6950" is ment to be the "QX9650", and obviously the "QX6850" is the correct naming.

GL HF.

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new instructions info? by MGSsancho, 754 days ago
anand, could you be so kind as to point to where you got the info on the new sse4 instructions? the chart would be cool but some pdfs or something from into would be awsome

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RE: new instructions info? by Ryan Smith, 754 days ago
RE: new instructions info? by MGSsancho, 754 days ago
thanks a lot =)

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RE: new instructions info? by jsaldate, 742 days ago
Penryn SDK: http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1193.htmhttp://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1193.htm

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