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  • Drumsticks - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    This is the first shipping phone with the S805 right? It'll be interesting to see the performance. There must be some pretty nice power improvements from either there or some software magic to get a 7% increase (according to Samsung) in battery life with an extra 20mah on that 1440p screen.

    Looks more impressive than I imagined, but I'm not sold on phablets still. Looking forward to the review from y'all!
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  • JoshHo - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Internationally it should be the first but there are a few Korean phones shipping with this SoC.

    We tested one here:http://www.anandtech.com/show/8314/galaxy-s5-ltea-...
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  • Drumsticks - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Oh that's right, thanks. Based on google (I didn't see it in your test I think) that was a 2.5Ghz part, so it's possible performance could go up another 5-10% with this.

    Interesting all around, at least. Thanks!
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  • kron123456789 - Thursday, September 04, 2014 - link

    Et tu, Nvidia?
    http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/09/04/nvidia-lau...
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  • senEdCraft - Friday, September 26, 2014 - link

    The Galaxy note series is absolutely fantastic, we all know that. But it doesn't quite manage to reach the level of HTC One M8 (see for example: http://www.consumertop.com/best-phone-guide/ ). Reply
  • kron123456789 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    There won't be much performance increase compared to Note 3 because of 1440p display. Reply
  • bigstrudel - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Exactly. Resolution is the enemy of performance. Reply
  • maroon1 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    That if you assume that games run on native resolution. But many android games don't anyway Reply
  • tuxRoller - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    That's not necessarily true.
    Apparently the new adreno arch includes fbc (not yet enabled in drivers, apparently).
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  • uwleahcim - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Be sure to completely test our the new S-Pen.

    Samsung claims the new S-Pen supports Tilt and Rotation! These features were only found in highest end Wacom devices!

    The addition of Tilt and Rotation is as significant as the pairing of a 3-axis gyroscope to 3-axis accelerometer! With Tilt and Rotation, it is now possible to fully simulate a pen/brush experience on a digital screen.

    I was really hoping MS would introduce Tilt and Rotation to the Surface 3, but I'm guessing Wacom doesn't want the Surface to eat into their ultra expensive Cintiq line. This is probably why Wacom allowed the Note 3 to have tilt and rotation since a 5.5" will never compete against the much larger Cintiqs.
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  • Baron Fel - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Surface Pro 3 actually doesn't use wacom. Reply
  • SilthDraeth - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Samsung take my money.

    Though in all honesty, I probably won't be buying this phone until early next year. And I will be buying it cash outright. I want to get more information on which variant has the most power, and if the international variant will work fine in the states on Verizon's 4g LTE network.
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  • lilmoe - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I'd definitely get the Exynos variant this time around. Reply
  • TedKord - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    It won't matter what radio the international has, Verizon probably won't activate it on their network. Reply
  • darkich - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    To me the most interesting aspect of this thing is the new Exynos processor, and yet you guys (of all the places on Internet!) refuse to say a word about it.
    Apart from the modem, it should be head and shoulders above any other ARM chip at the moment.

    As for the Note 4 itself, I am underwhelmed.
    The fact that Samsung managed to make it larger and heavier while keeping the same screen and battery size, and even failed to make it water resistant is a job bad done in my book.

    Note 3 was by far more impressive when it was announced, and I'll happily use it for another year it seems.
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  • Inteli - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I definitely feel the same way. I actually got a note 3 a couple of days ago (cheaper on contract than the note 4 would be, and with full knowledge of this announcement), and I don't feel I should have waited at all after this announcement. Overall, the Note 4 sounds underwhelming. Reply
  • KevinTr - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Yep. No IP67 is a HUGE disappointment. I have a Note2, and was waiting for this feature in the Note4. I love the large screen, but rarely use the pen, so all the focus on that feature was mostly irrelevant to me. Samsung is missing the mark. They need to differentiate themselves by.... providing far better battery life (2+ days) and making it "life-proof" (water, dust, drop resistant). I don't care that it's now even thinner. Make it a few mm thicker and give use these *useful* features!

    I guess I'll wait to see if Apple really does announce a "phablet" version of the iPhone next week. Maybe they'll provide IP67. And, if so, I might be convinced to switch back....
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  • mkozakewich - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Not a few mm thicker. It's already on the thick side. Phones shouldn't reach 10 mm.

    Speaking of thicker, though: Are there any Otterboxes with an IP67 rating?
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  • corvette72778 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I agree. I was going to be first in line but since it left out waterproof (ip67), I will most likely not get this phone. Every phone in the past has always got a bump in battery size but this is the first time a phone didn't. No screen size increase. I'm guessing the weight increase was from the metal. Don't most people use case for their phone that covers this up anyways. Samsung folded under criticism to add metal. Too bad. So the extra cost that would have gone to a bigger battery and water proof features went to a heavier metal case. mistake. Reply
  • theduckofdeath - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Probably because Samsung didn't mention the processors once during the keynote, other than that they're more powerful than last year. Reply
  • OliviaNY - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Samsung or Apple? It seems the question of these days, specially after announcing that the awaited iphone 6 will b released next week. If we compare the specs (presumably for iPhone6) with note 4, the device of Apple seems totally inferior
    http://versus.com/en/samsung-galaxy-note-4-vs-appl...
    Yes, Apple might surprise us on Tuesday, but it will be difficult to improve that. All expensive smartphones should have AMOLED display, it's the best: resistant, quality of images, thin... I just can say, congrats Samsung!
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  • theduckofdeath - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    The iPhone coming out next week will be a competitor to the Galaxy Alpha and not the Note 4. Reply
  • steven75 - Monday, September 08, 2014 - link

    The rumored 5.5" iPhone will compete directly with the Note. Reply
  • steven75 - Monday, September 08, 2014 - link

    AMOLED usually loses in color accuracy (this may have been improved to the point it no longer matters) and visibility in direct sun. Reply
  • lightshapers - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Isn't the Exynos 5433 a 64bit processor, with 4xcortexA53+4xcortexA57? Reply
  • JoshHo - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    No. If it were it would fall under Exynos 6xxx, not Exynos 5xxx. Reply
  • lightshapers - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Actually I could say that exynos 5433 is a potential exception to samsung nomenclature... I encourage you to verify that this exynos is not a 64bit. Reply
  • Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    It's not a 64bit CPU, I can confirm this. Reply
  • theduckofdeath - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    The naming is a bit unfortunate, the Exynos 5430 in the Galaxy Alpha is a Cortex-A15 32-bit processor. But, if this phone has an Exynos 5433 it is 64 bit according to what's been said about it, as it's a Cortex-A53/57 based SoC. Reply
  • kron123456789 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    It's very unlikely that Exynos 5433 is Cortex A57/A53 based. They may be changed GPU to Mali T760, but it's definetely Cortex A15\A7 based. Reply
  • theduckofdeath - Sunday, September 07, 2014 - link

    All sources says the 5433 is an Cortex-A57 based processor. Reply
  • lilmoe - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Nope. Seems like the next generation Exynos will be the 6xxx series, and most probably debut with the GS6. Reply
  • theduckofdeath - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    The Exynos 6xxx series will be a custom ARM processor as far as I remember, as they said (slightly paraphrased) that they were tired of the slow development and recurring issues with ARM reference designs. Reply
  • lilmoe - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    If memory serves right, I think that was rumored to be called Exynos X or something similar? Reply
  • kron123456789 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Exynos S. Reply
  • lilmoe - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Yup. Reply
  • theduckofdeath - Sunday, September 07, 2014 - link

    The Exynos S name haven't been mentioned since some loose rumours around CES in January, I think. And since everybody says the 5433 is a Cortex A57-based SoC, it would make a lot of sense that they're saving the 6xxx-series for their proprietary architecture. Reply
  • Toss3 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I thought so too, but there are a lot of conflicting reports on the web. I also thought Samsung would have mentioned it during their presentation. Reply
  • GC2:CS - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    It definitely isn't, because if it would samsung would write that with big numbers all around the booth. They are crazy about aggressive marketing. Reply
  • Inteli - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    So the note 4 gained 3 megapixels, but no extra pixels? Both 13 and 16 megapixels are 4128x3096? Reply
  • JoshHo - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Apologies, that was an error. I have fixed this. Reply
  • Inteli - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Its fine. Just pointing it out. Reply
  • nevertell - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    They are too eager to release a new device every year, they could've easily waited till 64 bit SoCs are ready. At least in my opinion, this device brings nothing new to the table. Reply
  • dawheat - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I'm pretty excited about the Note 3 as a Note 3 owner:
    - QHD screen with similar improvements as the S5 LTE-A QHD screen sounds as big an improvement over the Note 3 screen as that was over the Note 2 screen. The Note 3 screen is good, but still gives up some in brightness and "white whites" compared to the top LCD screens. And with AMOLED, none of the brightness or power drain issues of LCD 1440p screens.
    - Metal frame solves my biggest in-hand feel and durability complaint about the Note 3 - that chrome plastic frame chips on everything
    - Better camera with OIS - should make for much better low light photos where the Note 3 is weak

    Top of the line SOC, etc was expected and par of the course.
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  • GC2:CS - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Ok so when we add all of this together, the only big improvement compared to note 3 is the camera.
    Other than that, rather unnoticeable sharper screen, basically identical performance (no 64-bit+4GB combo (?)), same battery size, slightly better battery life (according to samsung's PR division), regression in formfactor (it's thicker and heavier !), an strip of aluminum running around and another crapload of software gimmicks to fill up the base 32GB memory capacity.

    And I thought samsung will work a lot harder, after not-so-successfull galaxy S5 and especially now when there is a big Huricane right behind the door of mobile industry.
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  • jjj - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Hope to see an update when you figure out what Exynos SoC it is, it is at least clocked a bit higher than in the Alpha even if it turns out to be just the 5430.
    Don't really care about the device ,boring enough and way too costly.
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  • DrKersh - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Huge disappointment

    - No water resistant
    - Same battery
    - More weight
    - They moved back again the speaker
    - No USB 3

    This is not an upgrade, and I will not pay for this.

    OIS + water resistant +3500 mah and I was sold, this, well, they just dropped it and launch a meh device. They don't trully offer nothing over nexus, oppo, xiaomi or so that justify the price, because no one is gonna pay extra +300€ for the spen.
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  • corvette72778 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    You are right DrKersh. They dropped the ball on this one. Its hard to remember any noticeable new feature upgrades on this phone. I'm gonna go with a used s5. still get the better camera and waterproof. I don't want to get a smaller screen though. Frustrating. Reply
  • paul_59 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Agree with your views.
    Water resistance would have been nice.
    Battery being virtually same size despite much increased screen resolution is a big disappointment.
    Reverting to usb 2 ? Backwards step in my opinion, hate to think how slow it will transfer multiple GB files via usb2 compared to usb3 of Note 3.

    Plus points for me are 805 soc, although I suspect most of the potential performance gains have been cancelled by higher resolution screen.
    Ois on camera should help with low light photos.

    Overall I am uncertain if I will buy Note 4 to replace my Note 3.
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  • solnyshok - Thursday, September 04, 2014 - link

    if new Exynos CPU is built on a smaller nm node, then same battery should be able to provide for 1440p screen, due to lower CPU power requirements Reply
  • bigstrudel - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Kudos fitting the metal frame into your profit margins Samsung. Now if only you could also fit a custom chipset in for the other 95% of the world, instead of cheap, 3 year old, off-the-shelf Qualcomm parts. Reply
  • lixindiyi - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I am sorry, but Exynos 5433 is actually a 64-bit Soc. http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=7884 Reply
  • kron123456789 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Do you actually belive antutu? I don't. Reply
  • iwod - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    1. Please Confirm if the SoC is 64bit, it seems confusing that some other part of the internet are stating this as an 64bit SoC.

    2. Does it uses the new Broadcom BCM4358?

    I would be very disappointed if the iPhone 6 doesn't come with Baseband 9x35 and BCM4358.
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  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, September 04, 2014 - link

    The Snapdragon 805 is not 64bit. That uses Krait, which is an ARMv7 (32bit) design. Reply
  • Eurasianman - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Is the RAM 3 GB or 4 GB? Other sites are claiming that this comes with 4 GBs of RAM. Reply
  • DrKersh - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    3GB, android authority got it wrong. Reply
  • Bigdad1963 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Since you harped a bit on 1 handed usage, you should know that there is a setting that shrinks all screens down to about 4 inches in size. It is quickly and seamlessly toggled off and on with a quick swipe in and out from the edge of the screen. So you can take that off of your complaint list. Reply
  • JoshHo - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    It's true that this feature helps, but it isn't a replacement for a properly sized phone for one handed use in my opinion. Reply
  • risa2000 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Is the QHD panel pentile or full RGB (stripe or whatever)? Reply
  • GC2:CS - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Samsung is unable to make a 300+ ppi display with an RGB matrix for now.
    Definitely Pen-Tile, they wouldn't be able to reach QHD otherwise.
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  • ibex333 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I don't see any reason for those who already have the Note 3 to upgrade. Th screen is already "good enough" - it doesn't HAVE to be 1440p. Plus the higher res will drain battery faster which is only slightly improved over the old one.

    16MP is better than 13MP but I don't think it will make a huge difference. Image stabilization is the only worthy new feature, but do we want to pay several hundred more for that?

    Finally, the more powerful CPU is nice, but completely irrelevant. There is nothing that wont run on the Note 3 that will run on Note 4.
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  • zero2dash - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I have a Note 2 and I hate to say it but even *I* don't see any reason to upgrade to this. I get .2" on the screen and a higher resolution, but frankly I've been fine with the Note 2's 720P screen for awhile now, even after looking at a Note 3 when those came out (despite thinking that I'd be "OMG I GOTTA HAVE ONE"....I wasn't). Reply
  • lilo777 - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    I guess not everyone who has a Note 3 will be enticed to buy a Note 4 (I own Note 3 and I am still thinking) but calling Note 4 a "disappointment" is obviously a stretch. It is after all the best phone on the market (and iPhone 6 won't change this). Samsung made a lot of improvements with this model:
    * metal chassis
    * faster CPU and (especially) GPU
    * 2x resolution
    * faster LTE (BTW those who complain that Samsung is not shipping Exynos outside Korea should realize that it has LTE Cat 4 and thus can't be certified in USA because the carriers require better)
    * finger print sensor
    * heart rate sensor
    * OIS

    That's a lot of improvements. Granted, considering how good Note 3 (and modern smart phones in general) is, the new changes do not look that compelling. For me personally, metal chassis look attractive (I mean functional). OIS might be helpful (although I mostly use SONY RX100 for P&S shooting). And let's not overlook a finger print sensor. I do not lock my phone at all (and I do not store sensitive data on my phone) but if the sensor works well I might use it for unlocking (as a convenient option - not as a secure one).
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  • mike_t - Saturday, September 06, 2014 - link

    Agree completely. Coming from a Galaxy S2 (!) I almost bought the Note 3, but wanted to see what the 4 brought to the table and to me it's very significant. I can't stand the tacky chrome plastic edges that don't wear well at all - looking forward to metal. QHD on a 5.7" screen, especially for pentile AMOLED, will be noticeable. The G3 has horrible contrast, low brightness, and heat / power drain issues...AMOLED QHD will be the way to go IMO. Fingerprint sensor and OIS are huge as well. All non-OIS Samsung cameras take pretty poor low light photos. Obviously won't be as nice as my full frame DSLR, but the phone is always on you unlike the quality camera gear so every improvement there is appreciated. Not understanding all the disappointment for the Note 4. Curious to see how the color accuracy will be when the full review comes out. Reply
  • steven75 - Monday, September 08, 2014 - link

    You don't have your main email address set up on your phone? I find that hard to believe. That address is all that's needed to reset many passwords for many accounts. I'd call that extremely private info. Reply
  • SirCanealot - Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - link

    Ugh, white menus on an AMOLED screen? Ugh, thank god for custom roms.

    I really don't understand the USB 2 port either. USB 3 was quite useful — I could transfer stuff to the fast internal NAND in 5-10 minutes using USB 3 and then transfer it to the Micro SD later when I had time. Rather than wait 30 minutes or more on USB 2.

    Battery is disappointing but expected.

    Everything else I fully expected, though of course it's somewhat disappointing.

    I've been more than happy with the performance of the Snapdragon 800 in my Note 3, but I'd love to have the Exynos version easy to find in the UK since I'm sure they're still packing a Wolfson CODEC. The Note 3 audio quality is pretty good, but was a large step down from my Note 2 (with the Kernel audio enhancements).

    Either way, I'll probably end up getting the Note 4 once the price comes down a little... won't be able to resist ¬_¬
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  • dawheat - Thursday, September 04, 2014 - link

    It seems like most of the disappointment is with the slowdown in progress in the entire mobile industry and the fact that the Note 3 was so darned good. Even today, I think it makes a fair argument at being the best, if not one of the best, Android phones available today.

    The Note 4 fixes some of the weaknesses of the Note 3 and in nearly every other way, uses the best tech available. I'm not sure what people really wanted.Well executed metal frame, top of the line SOC with 3GB RAM, 16MP camera with OIS, the best pen experience by a mile over other phones, the best screen hands down today (doesn't have the same brightness, contrast, and power draw issues of the G3).

    I would have liked IP certification as well, but every phone we've seen to gain it has increased noticeably in size. The S5 is considerably bigger than the S4 and the Xperia phones have always been very big for their screen size. As a Note user, I'm actually glad they didn't increase the size of the phone further to gain IP certification.

    The loss of USB 3.0 is really the only downside and really not a problem 99% of the time. How often does one move multi-gig files onto their phone. I do it once every month or so when I swap out 30gigs of movies onto my sdcard and the sd card has always been the limiting factor, not USB 2.0.
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  • prime2515103 - Friday, September 05, 2014 - link

    Did you happen to notice, or did Samsung say anything, about the audio for the Note 4 or Edge? I was just wondering if it/they have the same dismal excuse for a speaker that the Note 3 has. Reply

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