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  • blackmagnum - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    AMD and her antics of renaming/ re-branding a product once again. Everything's as usual, enthusiasts please move along (to someone else's). Reply
  • Wolfpup - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    I've got zero problem with this. If they're only dealing with quality products, I think it can be a boost to both companies images, and kind of an easy way for someone who wants quality components but doesn't want to think much about it to grab it and know they're getting something okay.

    I'd be MUCH more inclined to get OCZ now that it's owned by Toshiba, though Crucial and Intel remain my go-to brands (and I'd probably look at the hard drive companies seriously too).
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  • kaesden - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    if they wanted to deal with quality products, OCZ would be near the very bottom of their list. They are apparently just going for dirt cheap, to hell with reliability. OCZ products fail like clockwork. Reply
  • PEJUman - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Products fail like clockwork? How many ocz products have failed on you? I personally owns/owned 14 of their old time ddr2 sticks and 7 of their ssds, youngest one is 3 years old. Haven't failed one yet. Reply
  • willis936 - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Their ssd track record early on (mind you early on means less than five years ago) was actually horrifying. Reply
  • patssle - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    What? Their early SSD drives (Vertex/Agility) changed everything - they were the first SSDs that worked well and were reliable. I know because I bought an SSD as soon as there was one on the market that didn't have the write delay issue. Their quality went down over time but early on OCZ was THE SSD company. Reply
  • Guspaz - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    It was the Vertex and Agility drives that *gave* them their terrible reputation. They were only "the" SSD company early on because they were cheap and nobody had realized WHY they were so cheap yet (because they sacrificed reliability for performance). Reply
  • Samus - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Agility drives were terrible. OCZ knew it and quickly replaced the Agility line with Agility 2 (literally in a matter of months) and even fulfilled RMA's for Agility with Agility 2's (my personal experience) but I still have an Agility 2 240GB running for 3 years without issue. But this isn't the norm, most of these drives eventually just stop detecting in the BIOS. Some of their SSD failures I've attributed to "freakout" when they are too full - a typical Sandforce problem when there is not enough space to do garbage collection.

    But its pretty obvious, even for Sandforce-based drives, OCZ SSD's were the most unreliable out there, probably due to low-quality NAND, poor or over-aggressive firmware tuning, or just bad design.

    I'm glad Toshiba bailed them out because I am a huge Barefoot fan. The controller is just incredibly consistent.
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  • ummduh - Friday, August 29, 2014 - link

    Yup. My first Agility lasted about 3 months. The second another 6 months. The third I've had for a long time now (in ocz SSD terms) but that's only because it sits all by itself as a "install whatever OS you want to play around with this time for a week or so until you get bored and leave it for another 6 months" drive. Reply
  • Death666Angel - Friday, August 29, 2014 - link

    Agility 1 and Vertex 2 still going strong here! Reply
  • mapesdhs - Saturday, August 30, 2014 - link

    The key is fw updates. The old bugs are fixed. Once done, they're fine.

    People act like OCZ was the only company to have issues, but even Intel and
    Samsung screwed up their SSD line at one point or other (FUD posters choose
    to forget Intel's 8MB bricked SSD issue).

    Ian.
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  • zero2dash - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    I'm sorry, did you just say Vertex/Agility were reliable? Is it opposite day or something?

    I owned a 30 GB Vertex. It was great for 10 months. Then it started throwing up chkdsk errors. Sanitary Erasing did nothing but "buy some time". I had it replaced several times under warranty. Then they put out a FW update that turned Vertex's into Vertex Pros (probably in an effort to look less terrible with mud on their faces). I flashed mine, sanitary erased it again, and sold it for peanuts (almost literally) and got a Crucial M4 SSD that has been rock solid for several years now.

    As far as I'm concerned, OCZ can close their doors for good. Or don't, I could care less because I'm never purchasing another OCZ product ever again.
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  • Homeles - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Their Octane/Petrol failure rates were close to 50%. Reply
  • ProfSparkles - Friday, August 29, 2014 - link

    At my company we go through many SSDs per year and by now we lost every single OCZ SSD (mostly Vertex 3) we bought so far and had to replace it, at first we use the warranty and replaced it with yet another OCZ but when those failed aswell we bought new Samsung SSDs (840 EVO) which was less expensive than driving to customers another time and replacing the failed drives. The Samsungs drives already tripled the OCZ drives lifetime.
    I personally own a first batch Vertex 2 which still works well but since the rev 2 of the Vertex 2 and Vertex 3 they went so far downhill its just ridiculous.
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  • mapesdhs - Saturday, August 30, 2014 - link


    Blah blah. Fact is, none of that applies to the non-Sandforce models, and I've had no
    issues with the pile of V3 MXIs I bought; guess you were just unlucky.

    Ian.
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  • dragonsqrrl - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    ... I think he's referring to their SSD's. Reply
  • Guspaz - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Bought a bunch of OCZ RAM. It failed (or at least some sticks did) and they got out of the RAM business so they invalidated the warranty. Convinced a friend to buy a Vertex 2 before they got their bad rep. It failed. He got a replacement. It failed. He got a replacement. It failed. He bought an Intel. It didn't fail.

    Sorry, but a company with such unreliable products getting bought out by Toshiba (who lied to me and refused to honour their warranty) just makes them even more of a "not with a ten foot pole" in my books.
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  • formulav8 - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Was that not mainly their Sandforce drives? Reply
  • haukionkannel - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    OCZ Vertex was better than for example Samsun 840 evo in the last test that I read about (the Extreme II was the winner though...) But in any way OCZ quality has gone up big steps! Reply
  • Samus - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    You won't find somebody that's had worse luck than myself with OCZ SSD's (having purchased many of their first SSD products including the RevoDrive in 2010) but although most of their older products failed on me (some in days, some in years) the second RevoDrive I'm on has been reliable for 3 years and amazingly my Agility 2 still hasn't failed (quite an anomaly when you Google the results of this drives inherent unreliability across the internet.)

    However, my personal Vector 150 and Vertex 460 haven't done anything weird at all, and I've been so happy with them from a price/performance standpoint I've begun, for the first time even, putting OCZ products (with the exception of PC Power & Cooling PSU's) in corporate PC's for clients and at work. No failures so far. The Vertex 460, cheaper than most Samsung SSD's - my usual go-to performance SSD's, is noticeably more responsive.

    Still if you're looking for a cheap reliable SSD based on facts, a used Intel SSD320 on eBay or a Crucial MX100 are sure bets. But for performance Barefoot is very, very good, while still appearing to be very reliable.
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  • AnnihilatorX - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    I thought OCZ is now owned by Toshiba, you can't imagine Toshiba would keep the bad quality control in OCZ unchecked Reply
  • snuuggles - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Really? Triple negative? :) Reply
  • mapesdhs - Saturday, August 30, 2014 - link

    Stop posting FUD that's thoroughly outdated by later tech.

    I have more than 40 OCZ SSDs, never had a problem with any of them, everything
    from lots of V2Es/V3s to V4, Vector and Vector 150. I also have various Samsung,
    Crucial, Corsair and other models.

    OCZ's later products were really good, especially the Vertex4 and Vector range.
    Their mistake was allowing the 1st gen Vertex, Octane and Solid models to be
    just too much on the budget side. Ditto the old Agility, though the Agility3 and
    especially the Agility4 are ok (I have a few).

    Ian.
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  • kyuu - Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - link

    Your opinion of OCZ is a few years out of date. Reply
  • Laststop311 - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    You are leaving out the best ssd put there. Samsung has 100% vertical integration on the ssd. From the nand, to the controller, to the firmware, to the dram, Samsung makes it all. Why do you think samsung was first to market with TLC and 3d nand? All their teams can work together and get new products to market super fast. Reply
  • errorr - Friday, August 29, 2014 - link

    Well the process tech is a completely separate issue from their integration. If you look at Toshiba's new fabs and tech their shrink will allow them to hit similar price points with much better nand dies that are faster and last longer. Reply
  • willis936 - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Good to see honest journalism. Things like an amd button on the front page had me nervous. Reply
  • yannigr2 - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Fear only Intel and Nvidia buttons in the front page. An AMD button is just an AMD button. AMD's pockets are empty to influence Anandtech like the other two firms are already for years and without front page buttons influencing other major sites. Reply
  • yannigr2 - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    I can only explain like this the high price compared with other disks that perform the same

    - It targets AMD fans who are willing to pay a little extra for the sticker with the "Radeon" brand on it.

    - Rebranding and selling someone else's disk does add extra costs.

    - It's not meant really for retail. This is a disk that will improve the total package that an OEM will take from AMD.
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  • SleepyFE - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    I think the drive is a bit much for OEMs. That said, it would be good if PCs under 600$ came with an SSD. Reply
  • ExarKun333 - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Seriously AMD? The pricing is terrible and you are essentially looking to sell an inferior product for more than a superior one. Why? smh Reply
  • Doach - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Love the SSD reviews Kristian. Very well written and informative.

    Curious, why haven't you tested a toshiba q pro series SSD yet? You have tested their partners SSDs but not theirs. According to other sites the performance is about the same as a samsung 840 pro, which is a top performer. The price is right also.

    Would love to see you review this model. I saw the reviews on the other sites but your reviews are better in my opinion.

    www.amazon.com/Toshiba-512GB-Series-Internal-HDTS351XZSTA/dp/B00FR6VM54/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1409228046&sr=8-3&keywords=Toshiba+ssd

    www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6057/toshiba-q-series-pro-256gb-ssd-review-offers-great-value/index.html
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  • Kristian Vättö - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    I met with Toshiba for the first time at FMS a few weeks ago and we didn't have a direct contact before that. Let me get in touch with them to see if they can send us some samples. Reply
  • Doach - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    That would be great! Looking foward to another great review.

    Thanks for the reply kristian.
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  • LiviuTM - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Great review, as always.
    Indeed, MSRP is not competitive at all.

    A simple conversion shows the 512GB drive would cost ~220 Euros and that's without taking into account the taxes you pay in Europe.
    There are obviously much better choices. Here in Romania you can buy the 512 GB Crucial MX100 for 207 Euros. An even better deal is the 512 GB Crucial M550 which right now is running for just 5 Euro more than MX100 (212 Euros!), after a recent 50 Euro price slash.
    i don't need another SSD, otherwise I would have jumped on the offer with my eyes closed.
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  • kyuu - Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - link

    Except you can't simply convert the US price to Euros and take that as the price it would be sold for in Europe. That isn't how pricing works.

    You're also comparing MSRPs to "street" prices. SSDs in particular often sell for much less than their MSRP.
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  • The_Assimilator - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Now all we need are Radeon-branded motherboards and power supplies, and you could build a full system that's shit from top to bottom. Reply
  • LB-ID - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    It would be amusing if consumers weren't being harmed by this. OCZ has such a deservedly poor reputation that they're turning to rebranding to try to foist their crap on an unsuspecting audience. No way, and I'll warn anyone who will listen about this. Shame on AMD for partnering with such an unscrupulous vendor. Reply
  • errorr - Friday, August 29, 2014 - link

    Well considering most of there less than scrupulous employees are not part of a completely new subsidiary of Toshiba... Reply
  • kyuu - Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - link

    OCZ is now owned by Toshiba, and their current drives work well. Continuing to harp on the old OCZ and their bad line of drives is silly. There's nothing "unscrupulous' about OCZ nowadays. Reply
  • ronnyzigzag - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to screen resolution specs,but I will tell you that whenI first saw homepage and when I watched my first video on Netflix,I was very satisfied with hat I saw.It looked great.Since watching a ten inch screen from only a couple of feet away,makes the screen size seem to appear the same sizeas if you were in a real movie theater ,it didn't seem to matter to me.And one more thing ,it looks and feels great so go and get one for yourselves and enjoy! Reply
  • pt2501 - Thursday, August 28, 2014 - link

    Bought a vertex 3 during Thanksgiving 2011, I knew it was risky but the performance could not be beat at the time. It is still my primary boot drive and going strong 3 years later. I really can't complain and in my book OCZ is still okay. Reply
  • LiviuTM - Friday, August 29, 2014 - link

    No doubt OCZ is a top SSD manufacturer, now that it has full access to Toshiba resources and NAND.The main problem of this drive is pricing, as Kristian said. :) Reply
  • lilmoe - Friday, August 29, 2014 - link

    "For someone with very little or no understanding of computers, the AMD branding can provide a peace of mind since AMD is fairly large and visible brand in the industry"

    Actually, if I had to say, I think this title goes to Kingston. ADATA and Sandisk have been coming in close second as of late. The average Joe is going to brands they recognize for RAM and flash...
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  • jabber - Friday, August 29, 2014 - link

    I would say AMD does not have a large and visible brand in the industry...that counts for anything.

    Assk 100 random Joes in the street if they know of Intel or AMD and I bet 85 of them will know about Intel "Oh they make computers don't they?" and maybe 5 might actually know what AMD do.
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  • Crdlp - Monday, September 01, 2014 - link

    I've never had issues with an ocz product. I've build several computer computers with there ram sticks, power supplies, and old (sanforce) and new ssds. I did have a power supply go out when it got struck by lightning. There old ram and power supplies got the job done on a budgit computer, and now there ssds to me represent a small company competting with much bigger companies, and winning much of the time. The only issues they had was with sanforce controllers, and for some reason, people forget that every sanforce drive (which was most drives then) was having the same issues, but people seem to only like to blame ocz for it. They were one of the only brands that decided to take steps to move away from relying on another company to provide a controller for them, which was expensive. Toshiba did not aquire ocz because they needed a ssd in the market, they already had one. Ocz is a small company, that has a realitivly amazing drive, it was a matter of time before somebody bought them. Reply
  • Clubber Lang - Sunday, September 07, 2014 - link

    I have 5 OCZ SSD Primary Boot drives that have been in use since 2009/2010, and not one has failed.

    Quite frankly I think a lot of people back then were ruining their SSD's by defragging them to death. (Auto defrag used to be on by default)
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  • R 0 G - Tuesday, October 07, 2014 - link

    I don't know why the samsung 840 Pro is absent form the benchies comparaison SSD list ! which would be the most interesting one !
    I Owns 3 SSD from OCZ and a beautiful old school golden DDR3 1600, none of them failed, Agility 3 240 GB was bought 3 years ago for 140 bucks when SSD s were very expensive and was already achieving 550 mbps transfer speeds, few BSODS though.
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  • andrewbaggins - Monday, November 10, 2014 - link

    Power Consumption charts are incomplete. SSDs spend most of their time in an Idle state. Your charts would be more helpful if they included simple Idle state power consumption. After all, millions of laptops and notebooks in everyday use do not have dev-slp or other advanced power options of the latest models, and those owners would be well-served knowing, for example, that a Samsung EVO draws much, much less power when idling compared to a Corsair Neutron GTX or Vertex 4, etc. Reply

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