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  • dave1231 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Running this chip at load 24/7 at 18p per kWh for a year would cost about £525 although you might be able to turn your heating down a bit. Should be consigned to history. Reply
  • tech6 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    +1: Such abysmal efficiency makes no sense at all. If this is supposed to be a 2014 product then I fear for the future of AMD. Reply
  • shabby - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Efficiency goes out the door once you start overclocking. Reply
  • Flunk - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    That's not true at all, a lot of Intel CPUs will take a supstantial overclock with no or very slight voltage adjustments and then not exceed TDP by more than 25%. Overclocking THIS processor throws efficiency out the door but there are gains to be made at reasonable costs with Intel's Core processors. Reply
  • shabby - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    An extra 1ghz on an i7-4770k increases wattage by 60%
    http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_...
    Which article is showing a 25% increase?
    Reply
  • SmokingCrop - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    This one does: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/01/intel-...
    Intel Core i7-4770K
    3.5GHz -> 137 Watt
    4.7GHz -> 171 Watt
    Reply
  • shabby - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    One article shows a 25% increase with a 1.2ghz oc while another shows 60% increase with a 1ghz oc ... so which ones right? Reply
  • tuxRoller - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Possibly both. Depends on where these tests are done (the line voltage), components used, and, most importantly, the binning. Reply
  • basroil - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Both can be correct, depends on the test. Chips aren't as easy as pipeline clock increases, memory limited applications are still fairly common, as are cache limited ones (L1 cache should increase in speed but L2 and L3 won't in most cases), and there are still others that are unstable and can see huge jumps depending on how in sync components are.

    That said, seeing a performance increase larger than the clock increase (all in %) is rare at best, downright lying in most cases though. Usually a 50% increase will give you a 25-50% increase in non-memory limited applications.
    Reply
  • basroil - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Strike the above, misread the comment!

    But actually very close, just replace everything with mobo, cooling, and lot. Some chips overclock better than others, and some motherboards and cooling help achieve that at lower voltages (and therefore power) than others. Your CPU might need 1.2V to hit 4.5gh while another needs 1.25V just to hit 4, it's just the luck of the draw.
    Reply
  • thejshep - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    But even if you more than double the wattage of an i7, you're still not approaching the wattage this cpu takes Reply
  • Skillztech - Friday, September 12, 2014 - link

    Cause it is totally intel biased Reply
  • Skillztech - Friday, September 12, 2014 - link

    No need to over clock this chip at all, totally powerful. intel and the low voltage low power chips just suck at the same price range. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    This FX-9590 is actually the last year's product. E.g., in Canadian Canada Computers this SKU (in the version without any cooler) lays on the shelves for months and almost nobody buys it. At the same time, they have a big turnaround of Haswell Intel i7's, which speaks for itself.

    "Re-release" of this SKU happens because AMD has nothing better to offer, so they hope to get some public attention which it better than zero public attention :)

    I'm not an old man (age 32 now), but I remember the times (2005) when even Alienware top laptops were based on AMD Turions (rebranded Athlons 64) - simply because these were better than Intel's Pentium M at the time.

    And, in contrast, in around last three years since Bulldozer release AMD CPU business looks poorly.

    Yes, I know, APUs, OpenCL, HSA. But the CPU side of things at AMD is sad.
    Reply
  • Da W - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    AMD should just drop Bulldozer. That's probably what they're doing. Reply
  • Skillztech - Friday, September 12, 2014 - link

    8 cores high multi tasking and usage with high end core hungry software leaving intel in the dust. Plus the ability to game awesome. A real CPU. Reply
  • SlowSpyder - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    For those who are running their CPU's at 100% load 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, this isn't the right CPU. That's likely a quite small population of people. There are cons to the FX 9xxx CPU's to be sure, but I don't think what are often over-blown energy usage costs are one of them. Reply
  • MatthiasP - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    The real problem is, there is not a single pro for this processor. Reply
  • SlowSpyder - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    For someone looking to build a new system, probably not a lot of pros. For AM3+ owners looking for an upgrade from a lower part and guaranteed clocks, there could be some value in this processor. Reply
  • Flunk - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    The likelyhood of an existing AM3+ owner having a board that can support a 250watt CPU is pretty low, there really aren't many options. This CPU is a real turkey and people are not buying them. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    220 W, not 250, but this does not change your statement :) Reply
  • basroil - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    220W TDP, the chart above shows it uses 237W without overclocking! AMD needs to get their stuff together Reply
  • takeship - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Yeah, AMD's "220" is 220w of heat, not necessary 220w of power. You'll measure more, maybe a lot more, at the wall. Reply
  • Death666Angel - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    That is the whole system, the mainboard, the drives, dedicated graphics card, conversion loss by your PSU. Get your facts straight.

    @takeship: Where would that 220W of heat come from is not from the power? Does the CPU somehow produce more heat from chemical reactions?
    Reply
  • anubis44 - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Well, one pro is that you get a processor that is fairly comparable to an Intel i7 in performance, and most importantly, you'll be giving your money to a company that didn't try to screw you by attempting to corner the market through extortionate threats to their own OEM customers if they used AMD CPUs when they were better than Intel's.

    In other words, there may not be any technical advantages over Intel's competing products, but there are also no significant disadvantages, and at least by buying AMD, you won't feel like you need to take a bath afterwards to wash the filth off. I say to hell with Intel. Stop giving them money as punishment for their gangsterism.
    Reply
  • asoltesz - Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - link

    Mostly, this is why I bought an AMD desktop last year. It was similar in price than an Intel-one would have been for the same money. It consumes much more energy but that was something I could put up with. Reply
  • npz - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    There is are two pros for this cpu: x265 encoding and ECC support.

    Although if you have the money (about 2x more for cpu and mobo), I'd still recommend a 6+ core Xeon for these two features.
    Reply
  • FITCamaro - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Man I seriously don't want to live in England if your electricity is that expensive. That's $0.30 cents/kWh. But with our current president and administration who want our electricity prices to rise, we might soon be in that boat. I pay about $0.06/kWh. Reply
  • lkb - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Here in germany we pay 54 Euro Cents/kWh during peak times. While it sucks it has it upsides too - no stupid bitcoin mining crazy to speak of around here! Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Well, then I doubt you will go with FX - even despite the fact, that FX CPU dies are actually produced in Germany at Drezden GloFo Fab 1 :) Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Sorry, DreSden. My fault. Reply
  • SmokingCrop - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    lol wat.
    Here in Belgium, depending on your use, it's about € 0,13 - 0,23 ..
    Reply
  • basroil - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Germany is stupid and thinks solar is good for tech industries, Belgium has nuclear plants that give it huge rate discounts. Basically, you can buy this chip in Belgium just fine, but go get an intel chip for germany Reply
  • Death666Angel - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    You should change your provider. I pay 23c/kWh. Unless you have an "all green" plan, you shouldn't pay that much. Reply
  • KWIE - Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - link

    Um, what? Where on earth are you living in Germany to be paying 54c/kWh??? I'm in Dresden and paying 24c/kWh across the board (no HT/NT). Reply
  • Flunk - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Haha, I can think of more important reasons YOU wouldn't want to live in England! You know Gas is more than $8 a Gallon there right? Also, they tax cars based on CO2 generation and cars are almost twice as expensive as they are in the USA! Reply
  • LemmingOverlord - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    @Flunk, you do understand that is basically the reality for most of the Western world? Gas (Petrol, not gas-gas) is expensive, period. Cars are expensive. Period. Reply
  • Skillztech - Friday, September 12, 2014 - link

    Totally unrealistic figures. Yet again intel fans come up with either straight out lies or complete nonsense. "Running this chip at load 24/7 at 18p per kWh for a year" *facepalms* Reply
  • NeatOman - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    I have a FX-8320 @4.5Ghz, and never goes over 75c. I got it because it was $215 for both the CPU and a very good motherboard, and paired it with two HD 7850's. With that said, an overclocked i5@4.4Ghz is better then anything AMD can do over clocked even @5Ghz (for the most part) and at times far out classes it. But, an i5 and good motherboard will cost about $350 and $400+ for i7.. Almost twice. FYI, I live in Illinois and the electricity here is very very cheap. Reply
  • colinstu - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    a $300+ AMD chip?! LOL. Who the heck would buy this? It's not efficient, it's definitely not fast compared to $100 cheaper intel offerings (or similarly priced offerings in some of the other benches). Reply
  • swizeus - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Second your opinion... It has been 3rd generation (or more ?) since FX gone out the door and AMD should have a solution to at least match Intel's performance by now, but why this ? It is pointless to have a power hungry beast that lost in the match with a processor that is halved in TDP in an Unzipping archive operation, not to mention electricity bill and the noise to cool down 220Watt TDP Processor... Not worth it Reply
  • RussianSensation - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    The amount of generations or the time span doesn't have any correlation with AMD catching up. Take an i7 4790K and manufacture it in 28-32nm node and see how awful it is. In other words, unless AMD can manufacture chips on the same node as Intel, it has no chance of competing whatsoever even if by magic their CPUs had identical IPC and clocks to Intel's. The delta in performance and performance/watt will only grow once Intel launches Skylake on 14nm next year. Reply
  • lurker22 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Is AMD even trying anymore? That power draw is PATHETIC in the year 2014 Reply
  • xdrol - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    I think the fact that this very processor is still 'the' flagship shows that no, they are not even trying. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    No, they actually don't. This is just cherry-picked and overclocked FX-8350 from October 2012 with all the associated power draw and heat growing superlinearly because of the much higher operating voltage.

    However, AMD does develop their CPU side of the business, but since Kaveri this January the results go only into APUs (same will happen with Carrizo coming next year).

    AMD APUs are actually very fine in their class, they are just in a shy situation regarding these factory overclocked 220W FXes. The rest of their lineup is fine.
    Reply
  • StrangerGuy - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    300W alone for a CPU, holy mother of god. An entire Haswell gaming rig with 750 Ti would probably draw less power.

    BTW $250 is insane for any motherboard let alone an AMD one. That's an i5 4590 and a budget mobo right there already.
    Reply
  • Daniel Egger - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    > 300W alone for a CPU, holy mother of god. An entire Haswell gaming rig with 750 Ti would probably draw less power.

    Don't know where you got that 300W from but yes, a decent Haswell system with 750 TI will not just probably but definitely draw less power than 300W. Mine takes around 35W idle and up to 120W in games.
    Reply
  • RussianSensation - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    The motherboard in the review is $170 not $250. But yes it's a lot better to buy an i5-7 than this chip. Reply
  • edwd2 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Will we be getting new FX chips in the future?
    or is it just APUs ...
    Reply
  • Mrduder11 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    I am not highly invested in either "camp" but I will say this is absolutely embarrassing for AMD. As a gamer, I could never justify purchasing this CPU when using with a dedicated graphics setup. The results show AMD's way off the mark in research and development in their GPU labs. Reply
  • RussianSensation - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Has little to do with research and development. You can't expect a 28-32nm CPU to compete with a 22nm CPU no matter how hard you try. It would be akin to NV having 28nm GTX780Ti going up against a 40nm HD6970. AMD's biggest problem is no access to the same lithography tech as Intel. Reply
  • mapesdhs - Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - link

    Actually it has a lot to do with R&D. An ex-AMD employee said a few years ago that
    AMD's big mistake was making extensive use of automated design tools, resulting
    in a 3rd more transistors, using more power, for less performance. Presumably this
    was cheaper than paying the required talent to do the fine tuning normally expected
    at this level. Either way, this is why BD was so bad, and they've never recovered.
    AMD simply doesn't have the money to do the base R&D, that's the key blockage.

    Ian.
    Reply
  • TeXWiller - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Who knows, Kaveri brought the three module support for the APUs. The devil is the implementation details and timing. I was little disappointed when they took out the remaining 95W four module chips from the channel. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    What do you mean by "three module support for the APUs"? Talking about CPU side of things, all the APUs since Trinity only have 2 CPU modules aka 4 AMD cores. More than that, staying with this Bulldozer-derived CPU tech, APUs won't get more than 2 modules because of the die area and associated TDP and cost issues. Reply
  • TeXWiller - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    See http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/49125_15h_Models_3... page 28 Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    OK,
    "2 or 3 core-pairs Add 3 CU support."
    But there is no 3 "core-pair" (3 CU, 3 modules) Kaveri APUs on the market - at least, as of yet.
    Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    No, no FX in the future - at least, not on Bulldozer-derived microarchitectures.
    Just APUs till 2016 at least.
    Reply
  • will1956 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    i've gotten the sabertooth 990FX GEN3 R2.0 and its got pcie 3 x16 with a 8350 and a sapphire 7870 ghz (both OC'ed) and its pretty good although rather greedy Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    It's nice that this kind of boards exist, but, sadly, PCI Express 3.0 is a rarity rather than a norm on AM3+.
    AMD only has PCI Express 3.0 as a standard on FM2+ with Kaveri APU.
    Reply
  • roadapathy - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    I see by the comments below that I'm among the rational. AMD is stuck on the 32nm fab process making for a dismal performance experience for us all! My AMD 6-core could boil water. This is great for the cold midwestern American climate but the Summer is unbearable with AMD CPUs. I had waited over 2 years for a 22nm AMD 8 core FX that never appeared. Meanwhile, I'm running the "lower" 95watt CPU. I can't even imagine how it would be with the 220watt. How ridiculous!! Reply
  • RussianSensation - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Exactly!! Someone understands. If AMD could move to 14nm, they could increase the number of modules 50%-100% and lower the power usage at the same time. When you CPU is on 32nm while Intel is soon to launch 14nm Broadwell, the chance of AMD competing in performance or performance/watt is 0%. Reply
  • Death666Angel - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    But more cores aren't really the issue for AMD, are they? In multi-threaded stuff they are already doing fine. What they need is better IPC. Even at 5GHz they barely beat i3s of the current generation. Unfortunately the FX-9590 isn't in bench yet, but the FX-8350 even loses to a chip on 32nm (i5-2500k) in most benchmarks except some multi threaded ones. Put an i7-2600k in its place and it loses even more consistently. That is not just a lithography disadvantage, that is a straight up embarrassment from the CPU architecture standpoint. And the fact that they aren't releasing any more FX CPUs based on newer architectures is a slap in the face of any PC enthusiast. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    Indeed; placed my response too. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    It's not the manufacturing tech itself - their Bulldozer-derived microarchitecture has drastically slower IPC (Instructions Per Clock). If you you emphasize lithography, then let's compare FX Piledriver from late 2012 on GF 32 nm lithography and Sandy Bridge LGA1155 Core i7 from early 2011 on Intel's 32 nm lithography.
    Guess what? Sandy Bridge is around 50% faster in single threaded tasks than Pilderiver. At the "same" lithography. Despite the fact that Sandy Bridge i7 has just 9 MB L2+L3 cache, while Piledriver has 16 MB L2+L3 cache. So, AMD's chip has almost twice the amount of cache than Intel's chip and is still 50% slower. So, first, the case with AMD FX is mainly a problem of inappropriate microarchitecture, and only then comes the lithography lag.

    So, even if a Cinderella's fairy comes up and magically moves FX Piledriver to Intel's 22 nm or even 14 nm, the resulting tiny Piledriver shrink will still be a Slowpoke in single thread duties - because it is its microarchitecture that prevents it from doing better.
    Reply
  • roadapathy - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    I don't have a complaint about the architecture itself because of the price points. Intel CPU, motherboard and the RAM are all much more expensive! I'd be satisfied with AMD FX series (or the new Kavari) on the 20nm fab process. Reply
  • roadapathy - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    In fact, I argued this point on my Steam Gamers group page and some said I was not fully understanding. I'll laugh a little about that because I talked with an employee of Intel at my work and he has a PhD in electrical engineering from Purdue. He said that I was correct and that the lithography makes a huge differences in power and performance of a CPU. Even if AMD CPUs/APUs are slower per IPC, it still does the job and it still costs much less to produce an entire PC system. Reply
  • LarsBars - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    I wanted to build a Hyper-V lab for my work, so I ended up going with AMD FX. I don't care about overcook and the power consumption argument to me is not a big deal. I got my 8350 and 8320 on sale, and for the number of threads, the cache, and the hardware virtualization support, it was one of the cheapest ways to put together two 32 GB lab servers. Reply
  • Sttm - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    So this a fanboy only product? Not sure how anyone else can believe its a better purchase over an i7. Slower in most things, similar cost, multiple times the power usage. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Well, for the unbiased customer there is indeed no sense in going with this FX rather than with i7.
    So, AFAIU, this is indeed a product for die-hard AMD fans. The only problem is that the number of these people is diminishing from year to year, I suppose.
    Reply
  • darkich - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    What a terrible product.
    A 220W CPU now days?
    Facepalm
    Reply
  • gostan - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    I know AT team needs to eat. It's just painful to see them try so hard to be easy on AMD. Reply
  • darkich - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    +1 Reply
  • Sushisamurai - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    I think you guys are a little too harsh. The architecture was developed 2012-2013, so realistically, this is a sandy bridge/ivy bridge comparison. If you were to OC an ivy bridge/sandy bridge to this performance, you'd be looking at similar wattage (I'm guessing here, 5GHz on ivy/sandy doesn't seem possible on CLC). The fact it comes close to haswell for a year or two old part, I consider that a win Reply
  • Daniel Egger - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Who cares when it was developed to do a comparison. They release it today so it has to compare against todays CPUs and this one sucks on so many levels it's not even funny anymore. Also no sane person cares about clock, it's either single- or multithread performance plus sometimes iGPU performance and of course efficiency, if you want crazy clocks you can dig out some Netburst Pentiums... Last but not least if you desperately want to see this PoC loose in some benchmarks against some mainstream Sandy Bridge CPU then have a look at the graphs and check for "Core i5-2500K". Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Indeed, clocks comparison does not work in terms of performance comparison between different microarchitectures.
    One simple number:
    Haswell in single thread is around 70% faster (~1.7 times) than Piledriver (say, in Cinebench 1 thread) at the same clocks. ~70%. Check yourself. Nuff said.
    Reply
  • Fouquin - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Except they didn't release it today, they released it 14 months ago. So really, it's still an IB - FX comparison. AT was just really slow to put any press on this chips existence. It has no purpose other than to show the limit of the Bulldozer architecture, and it does that quite nicely. (Although I have an FX-8350 running at 5.12, so it isn't even the upper limits.)
    Really when it comes down to it though, it's a "for fun" chip. Like a super-car: it looks and acts fast, costs way too much, sucks down gas by the gallon, and is complete excess to your needs. But hey, it's shiny and looks good in the garage.
    Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    In fact, Sandy Bridge is much more efficient and has much higher IPC than Piledriver. So, Sandy Bridge i7 Core i7-2600K/2700K has to be overclocked around 4.3 GHz to match or surpass FX-9590. Ivy Bridge has slightly better IPC, than Sandy, so that 4.1-4.2 GHz should suffice for Ivy Bridge Core i7-3770K to match or surpass FX-9590. And this is for full multithreading.

    For single threading, Sandy and Ivy are already faster at stock turbo frequencies than anything Piledriver can offer. Piledriver has to be clocked beyond 6 GHz to try to match Core i7 stock single thread (LN2 may help, actually :)).

    Yes, single-threaded performance is not so important these days, as many people like to point out, but lack of single-threaded performance is still a considerable drawback.
    Reply
  • Sushisamurai - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Yes, I realized clock to clock comparison doesn't really work - it would work if IPC was similar between different micro architectures... and well... I was over simplifying things. But, on the benchmarks, this FX core does seem to catch up to the i7-2500.

    My main point was to emphasize that this CPU has been around for a while, and was only recently "released" to the general public as opposed to OEM's. Had this been available when it was developed, it might have made a bigger difference for AMD - which could have potentially kept them in the CPU race.
    Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Well, to make a bigger difference, it had to be WIDELY released a year ago (say, around initial Haswell release) for, say, $250-280 (and not $350) for retail, and be supported immediately with at least 5-7 new MOBOs capable of working with 220W TDP out of the box. Since it did not happen, now it is maybe "too little, too late" - especially, considering the facts, that:

    1) Devil's Canyon Core i7-4790K is already on sale, and it costs the same $$$ as last year's Core i7-4770K. Core i7-4790K is even further ahead of FX-9590 in terms of performance at stock (4.0-4.4 Ghz) and i7-4790K is even a little further overclockable to around 4.5-4.6 GHz with no issues, and FX-9590 is actually not.

    2) Haswell-E is coming, and the cheapest Haswell-E, rumored to be Core i7-5820K, is supposed to have 6 Haswell cores and cost something around $400. This is of course worth thinking about for the people getting/building a new desktop machine.
    Reply
  • mapesdhs - Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - link


    Alas AFAIK the 5820K is a 4-core. 5930K is 6-core, 5960X is 8-core.

    Ian.
    Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - link

    Not really; so far, all the sources point that Core i7-5820K will be 6 core - unlike Core i7-4820K and Core i7-3820 before it. Reply
  • mapesdhs - Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - link

    SB is such a nice chip. Every 2700K I've obtained has happily run at 5GHz no problem,
    takes just a few minutes on a board like the ASUS M4E/Z. Built five of them so far. And
    unlike the latest HW, it won't throttle because the temps are still good.

    Ian.
    Reply
  • bebimbap - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    No matter what any one that loves this FX-9590 says, this processor is just an exercise in gluttony, and devolution.

    I have been spoiled by computer evolution. coming from the commodore/Macintosh/SX286 days. you appreciate a few things. such as noise/heat/size reduction of modern systems.
    50-80w cpus are quiet, compared to the pentium4 days.... or Hairdryer days...
    SSDs are silent,
    modern HDDs are basically silent, compared to 40MB drives and 3.5/5.25 floppies and don't forget the stack of floppies you had in the drawer instead of a single USB stick.
    modern gpus not oc'd are quiet, still remember the hiss of my gforce3Ti
    CRTs - actually have a noise when you turn them on, some buzz when in use... and don't forget the size.
    case- you either had a monster of a case that would break your table if you put it on it, or a fugly thing that you wanted to hide under the table.
    overall the heat produced compared to a 19" crt + pentium4/thoroughbred + 9800XT compared to a modern system also let you get rid of the window AC unit reducing a lot of noise.
    so i am spoiled because i can now have a system where i'm not sweating like a pig and going deaf while playing my favorite game or browsing the web. I don't need a 1000w speaker system to hear the gunshots clearly over my cpu/gpu/psu fans or window AC unit.

    I no longer need a computer be a 4in1 device that acts as a heater, a LOUD white noise generator, an air filter, and computer. It should be similar to a BMW-M5, everyday comfort and driveability but grunt when you want it, but of course with better fuel economy.
    Reply
  • Leyawiin - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    This article makes me feel good about the FX-6300 @ 4.5 Ghz I have. At least with the games they chose to benchmark I'm doing fine. Reply
  • siberus - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Any chance we could get some testing with radeon gpu's using mantle ? :) would be pretty neat to see how some of the older/lower tiered cpu's break down. Unless you guys have done something like that already in another article then I apologize for asking. Reply
  • monstercameron - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    this cpu just chew through integer workloads, faster than a 4770k, where it fails is every thing else. I reckon a well optimized program written directly[fma?] for it would haul ass! Reply
  • resination - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    This is THE processor for the "rolling coal" set. Reply
  • CSammy - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Pathetic. The cover might as well be Intel pissing on this AMD processor, because that is quite literally the truth in nearly every single aspect. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    Note that there is no recent Devil's Canyon Core i7-4790K here - this one, being around 13% faster than i7-4770K in CPU-bound tasks, would make the FX to look even less relevant. Reply
  • TheinsanegamerN - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    "AMD clearly does care about the performance market"
    yeah, thats why they couldnt even be bothered to use the new kaveri cores, instead rehashing an old piledriver cpu with higher clocks and a TDP that puts netburst to shame. all the while, performing sligtly slower then a intel cpu with a third the tdp and running 1.5 GHz slower.
    They care about the performance market so much, that they put this chip on the 3 year old AM3+ platform, rather than the new FM2+ platform, just so we can use old chipsets with feature sets from 2011.
    And it costs as much as a core i7.
    CLEARLY, AMD still cares about the performance market.
    Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    I perfectly understand your sarcasm :)
    I guess, it was something like that: AMD did not and does not have the resources and/or desire to invest into pure many-module CPUs beyond Piledriver FX CPU. So, from the engineering standpoint, they stopped there.
    But then the marketing stepped in and said: "We need a faster CPU to brag. Because we aren't developing a new one, can you boost the current one?" And the engineering team said "Yes... Okay...". And they did. :)
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  • wurizen - Saturday, August 09, 2014 - link

    the fx series does need to go down in watts, which only comes in a die shrink from what i know. but the thing it has going for it are 8 cores, which intel doesn't even have in their consumer or enthusiast cpu's. u have to go xeon to find an intel 8 core cpu. my theory that amd is not updating the fx series or their chipsets is probably due to the backlash of the of fx series. i forgot when the the fx-8150 came out but it was negative. i don't think amd wants to have another repeat of that so amd is putting their cards back in the deck. they're softly announcing this and that about apu's... and hoping the marketing of apu will be enough to garner positive feedback. bring the image back. that is all it is, i think. what the hell is an apu, anyway? oh, it's the future. this is what amd wants ppl to know. but, we know that apu is not the future. it's just a stop gap for amd. it's just a fancy acronym.

    i don't think the low performance of amd fx cpu compared to an intel part is also solely amd's fault. i think software developers/coding can also be attributed to it. i mean, if you have this and that code built for intel chips since they're inside (i hate to say it) most of the pc's in the world, then of course, intel will have a lead from the get go. for example, windows 8 is suppose to be better for amd fx cpu's than windows 7. now dig deeper into how programs are run and make it so that an fx chip will shine as much as an intel chip, then we probably have a very well optimized program, which in the real world is probably a unicorn program. so, this unicorn program puts both amd and intel chips thru its paces, equally and optimally and fully. and i think that unless an intel chip has a specific function that makes it run faster (i forgot what it is), then an amd fx 8-core chip with its more logical, fully functional, real cores of 8 will probably be better than intels 4 cores with hyperhtreading. intel has patents for those specific, specialize tasks though and this is why intel is hard to beat and why amd loses to them.

    this is why amd is waiting b/c 1)amd knows intel's roadmap and 2)they have apu's and consoles as stop gap 3) they'll return to the desktop performance cpu when the tide, the program/software/patents or whatever it is has leveled out so that amd can put out a competitive product that is truly innovative. and not just tick and tocks 4) the cpu fabs are probably too expensive right now for amd to jump in and do a die shrink (not sure tho; maybe intel has a hand in that too? idk)--like why is intel the only cpu company doing die shrinks every year and half? sounds weird to me. and it's closest competitor is just sitting back. weird right? anyway, im out of theories, i think.

    oh, you'd think amd would just put 8 core kaveris without an igpu, right? but, no. i think amd is still not sure the performance gain with that will be enough to wipe out the negativity of the fx-8150 debacle. so, amd is just not doing it.

    what do you guys think of my theories?
    Reply
  • Death666Angel - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    "but the thing it has going for it are 8 cores, which intel doesn't even have in their consumer or enthusiast cpu's."
    I stopped reading right there. If you think 8 cores in a 4 module FX CPU are comparable to 4 cores in Intel mainstream CPUs or 8 cores in Intel enthusiast CPUs, you should go back and read up on the architecture differences. The fact that an Intel 8 thread CPU (core i7 with 4 cores and HT) usually beats any FX CPU with 4 modules should be warning enough that you shouldn't draw any conclusions based on that.
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  • wurizen - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Ive read up on bulldozer architecture. 4 modules with 2 logical and physical cores = 8 cores. Intels hyperthreading arent physical cores but software driven. so an OS sees an i7 with 8 cores even tho 4 of those cores are virtual. AMD has 8 physical/logical cores. Each module or 2 cores do have to share FpU, l2 cache (i think) and another thing. So, the cores are hampered by this but it doesnt take away the fact that there are 8 cores there. And i know its slow even though it has more cores than intel. But by refining it and better software optimization, i am wishing AMD to at least compete with intel enthusiast x99 chipset in the future with half the price. Why? Bc i cant afford intel. Simple as that. Reply
  • mapesdhs - Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - link

    Sorry it's not an 8-core at all, not when it has to share resources split int vs. fp. Hence why
    this very article shows again and again the older 4770K beating the 959 on threaded loads,
    with 60% less power consumption. Convincing yourself that AMD's "8 cores" marketing has
    any kind of sensible basis is as bad as believing MHz is an equally useful metric, or MIPS.

    Intel's real, old, 6-core, the 3930K, utterly demolishes the 9590, for less power, etc. If you're
    on a budget, buy a used 3930K, it'll leave AMD's chips in the dust, and there are plenty of
    low cost X79 boards these days, especially on the used market (Gigabyte UD3 only cost me
    55 UKP).

    Ian.
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  • Laststop311 - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    you said intel has no non xeon 8 core cpu's. But haswell-e will have 8 core/16 thread. I currently run an i7-980x gulftown x58 system and will be replacing it with 8 core haswell-e. video production speed should sky rocket. Reply
  • mapesdhs - Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - link

    That depends on what you're doing, which app, where the bottlenecks reside, etc.
    If you've already oc'd your 980X then you're starting from a pretty good baseline,
    so don't expect HW-E to be that much better (NB: I have a 990X, a couple of 3930Ks,
    4820K, seveal 2700Ks, etc.)

    What really will help for you is the newer I/O provision, ie. SATA3, PCI Express, M.2, etc.
    The non-Intel SATA3 controllers on X58 boards were pretty awful, especially Marvell.
    And of course you can at least double your max RAM, which might be holding you back
    somewhat if you're a heavy AE user.

    Ian.
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  • Arbie - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    I think 'ur' Shift key is broken. Reply
  • BMAN61 - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    " Alongside testing this CPU, the 220W TDP requires a substantial motherboard to match. Due to the age of the platform, the AM3+ socket and the old 990FX chipset, finding a motherboard can be rather tricky. Many of the AM3+ motherboards that were launched were only suited for the FX-8350 processors, which had a 125W TDP. This is yet another reason that AMD wanted the FX-9590 in the hands of system builders who would chose high end motherboards that could cope.

    Two of the newest motherboards to be released for 990FX were the ASRock 990FX Killer and the ASRock 990FX Extreme9. We reported the release of the Killer in December 2013, but the Killer is unsuitable here as the specification sheet lists processors up to 125W only. The Extreme9 is ASRock’s high-end AM3+ motherboard, and more suited to the task. "

    This statement isn't entirely true; the ASUS Sabertooth 990FX motherboard supports this 220 watt CPU http://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_... the only requirement is a BIOS update and better cooling.
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  • StrangerGuy - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    So ~$170 solely for a mobo to reliably run a AMD chip.

    Intel is laughing to death somewhere a 4790K can be dropped into the cheapest of S1150 mobos and it just simply works.
    Reply
  • just4U - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Off the top of my head I don't know of anyone who has purchased a $350 i7 and paired it up with a $65 motherboard.. Most won't even use the stock cooler since +80c temperatures under load is a little on the alarming side.. Those that tend to purchase it as part of a new system are usually looking at $170 Motherboards and $30+ coolers. Reply
  • StrangerGuy - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Intel temperature issues != AMD power delivery issues. The former can simply be solved with a $30 HSF, while the latter needs a $170 mobo AND even stronger cooling.

    And I'm one of those guys who run a 4790K on a $60 budget mobo. Paying an extra $100 for CPU at 4GHz stock with even higher turbo and HT is certainly more value for money than a $240 4690K with a $160 mobo with extravenous features that I don't need, and this does not include extra costs for cooling a OCed chip plus dealing with chip lottery. I don't know why is that even surprising to some...
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  • just4U - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    I don't believe you have a $60 board paired up with your 4790K. Sorry S... it simply doesn't make sense. You may not have Z97 deluxe but I think it's doubtful you've paired it with a H81 either.. That's like going out and buying a 780Ti and then using the worst turd of a PSU to power the damn thing.. or saying yeah this Celeron should be enough for that.. lol.. no. Reply
  • designgears - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    *facepalm*

    How many time did a stock i5 just beat an 8 core OC chip?!
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  • mapesdhs - Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - link

    A point which way too many AMD fans simply choose to ignore. Ah the 1st Rule
    strikes again...

    Ian.
    Reply
  • nenforcer - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    The Realmark Audio Analyzer results have labeled this motherboard as having the Realtek ALC1150 audio codec just like most other modern motherboards, however, as stated previously in the article this motherboard has the older Realtek ALC898 codec. Reply
  • Jedibeeftrix - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    "If AMD is to return to the performance market, the power consumption has to be comparable to Intel, or if it is slightly higher, the chipset has to offer something Intel cannot. Any suggestions for what that feature should be should be submitted on a postcard/in the comments."

    24 PCIe 3.0 lanes on-die for uncompromised graphics whilst allowing M.2/Express at 3.0 4x:

    http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/amd-t...
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  • silverblue - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    Kaveri, from a technological standpoint, is a refined version of Zambezi, but it's still not perfect; they fixed an AVX bug but hamstrung FP adds somehow. Work done per module is improved due to the decoder changes.

    We don't know how L3 cache would help performance, as this is the first edition of the architecture that doesn't have such a flavour. The other issue is the reduced clock speed thanks to the 28nm SHP node; while it's very possible that a 4M/8T setup would exceed the 8350's performance, how much power would it use for that? I would theorise such a CPU (note - same clocks as the 7850K, and without L3 cache) outperforming the 8350 by about 10-15% in MT workloads, matching it in ST and even falling behind by 10-15% in FP; perhaps that's another reason for the lack of an FX line given that it'd be a regression. Right now, I don't think it'd serve in AMD's best interests to release a new FX series as it wouldn't benefit consumers at all.

    I should imagine that if Excavator brings the rumoured IPC gains, AMD would simply dump AM3+ and resurrect FX as a 2M/4T FM2+ part; in essence, an i5 competitor. They did say that improved IPC was Excavator's raison d'etre; considering MT is fixed, it should mean instructions per core. Get the IPC high enough and they won't NEED to clock the parts so high, thus lower power; on this point, Carrizo is supposed to be rated at 65W TDP.
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  • just4U - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    In my opinion the best cpu AMD has right now is A8 7600 coming in at $120 CAD. I see no reason to go Intel i3 as long as that puppy is there. (A argument can be made for Intel's AE 3x) The downside for AMD is I also see no reason why anyone should buy a more expensive CPU/APU from them.. their A-10 is priced in the same range as lower I5's which is a bit of a head shaker and their AM3+ is getting long in the tooth with no refresh.

    I could see a new FM2+ FX branded cpu priced at the tier their offering their A-10s for as it would bring something more to the table.. but they do really have to do something about single threaded performance. Even if it wasn't being used as much in programs their line-up takes a beating in reviews which is bad optics for them and leads to people like us (who read these things..) to suggest other alternatives for people buying/building a system.
    Reply
  • FightApathy - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    237W operational power consumption. This is just.... terrible for a 2014 CPU. And what is even worse, is that i7 with 1/3 of TDP performs as well or even better. AMD has to stick to APUs. Reply
  • KAlmquist - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - link

    "One could speculate that releasing the next generation of FX-85xx might put them behind the FX-9590 in performance, or that the fabrication process was not suitable for a quad-module CPU with the new architecture improvements."

    According to the Steamroller review, the 28nm bulk process that Steamroller was designed for won't clock as high as the 32nm SOI process that Piledriver uses. So an 8 core Steamroller processor would execute more instructions per clock, but would be clocked at least 400 Mhz slower, and as a result would be only marginally faster than Piledriver.

    AMD is expecting to achieve another boost in instructions per clock with Excavator, but unless something has changed they plan to synthesize Excavator using software that minimizes die area at the cost of clock speed, so I'd expect Excavator to do more to improve performance per watt than to improve absolute performance.

    After Excavator comes a completely new design, which we can hope will be a major improvement over the bulldozer derivatives.
    Reply
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  • duploxxx - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    funny to read all these replies. makes you wonder what avarage age and technology knowledge is of these tech sites.....

    All complaining about useless AMD and process tech but yet they don't understand that these own consumers are the ones to blame, they buy the jingle and bells and the marketing buzz... recent review on anandtech showed enough what was best to buy, yet most decide to buy the other marketing dominant brand as if there all day tasks are faster since the benchmarks show few percentage faster finished task... buyers need to blame themselve for there own stupid decisions. Want a fast system? get rid of Microsoft garbage. OEM-marketing kill the competition and consumers are the victim but they still dont understand it. (useless chipset revisions, socket changes, design rules like in ultrabook space and centrino, etc, etc..). poor consumers.

    From a tech site you indeed need to review such a CPU, its mandatory but i don't think it gets the honor for what it supposed to be, anyhow there will be only few to sell since it has no reason to exist becide the mythical part.

    I remember the days of pentium D and extreme, no reason at all to exist yet 1000's of buyers just for the brand....
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  • duploxxx - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    since no edit button :) thx anandtech asking that already for more then 10y

    I meant age and knowledge of the readers of course
    Reply
  • Klimax - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    Lovely nonsensical post. Including out of date bashing of Microsoft. 90s called, they want your nonsense back. Reply
  • Mugur - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    There is still room for AMD in my home. I have 2 SB Core i3s for the gaming machines and I've just replaced an 80W Phenom II HTPC with an Intel NUC 2820. But my server (currently an Athlon II X4) will be soon an A10-7800 at 45W on a FM2+ with 8 SATA board... Reply
  • jgarcows - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    How did you manage to post a review of a chip with a bundled retail liquid cooling system and not post a single picture of the liquid cooling system? How easy was it to install, what size openings are needed on the case, etc... Reply
  • LemmingOverlord - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    May I suggest:

    a) some impressions on the liquid cooling? (+pics)
    b) underclocking the CPU (and lowering voltage), then map that to power v. performance curves for the same set of benchmarks you ran... just to see how big a drop it would be in wattage.
    Reply
  • just4U - Monday, August 11, 2014 - link

    I think coolermaster makes it.. Not bad, not great.. You'd be better served getting the the variant without liquid cooling (I think..) and than deciding on your own what you need. Reply
  • Natfly - Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - link

    Garbage....you can't polish a turd. Reply
  • The_Riddick - Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - link

    These processors really need to be running at below Intel wattage in order to be competitive, even if they tried and sold me one of these cpus for $10 I wouldn't buy one. 220W and performs worse then i5, no thanks. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - link

    Well, this same FX Piledriver certainly can run below Intel wattage (say, around 70 W for the CPU itself), but only at no more than 2.5-3.0 GHz frequency - like Opterons 6300 do.
    Then, it won't make a lot of sense on the desktop either :)
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  • eanazag - Friday, August 15, 2014 - link

    AMD misunderstood me.

    Before this product was initially released as an OEM part I had posted on an AMD article that I would be interested in a 200 W APU not CPU. I wouldn't mind an APU that could clock the GPU and CPU outrageously. I have a 300 W video card plus a 105 W Intel CPU, which the CPU is supposed to be 95 W. So a 200 W APU that comes close to both of those is a cost savings if it will clock down while idle. Plus space and heat savings.

    Evidently they opted for doing it with this CPU. This is not totally bad, but between the pricing, performance, chipset features, and efficiency versus the 8350 and Intel parts it is really tough to justify. I saw numbers in there for workloads where the Haswell i3 is more than the 9590. I bought the Phenom 9600 with the errata and the CPU was fine, but I am still not willing to go that far in loyalty to AMD on the CPU side anymore. They would do better to just import the 8350/9590 silicon onto their 28 nm process. So what if it takes a clock regression as it will also have a TDP drop. They really need to do a better job updating their chipsets. This is less forgivable than their CPU line. That old, crappy 9590 would look better with a new chipset (PCIe 3 at least).
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  • carcakes - Saturday, August 16, 2014 - link

    Sspace hitter! Space hitter! Prescott! Spaceeeee hitter! Ehm...200W! Hits his head against a walls! Reply
  • carcakes - Saturday, August 16, 2014 - link

    Space heaters! Reply
  • 0ldman79 - Monday, August 18, 2014 - link

    I've been running AMD in my desktops as a primary since the K6-2 (and K6-3+ mobile in a desktop if anyone remembers that gem).

    That being said, I have to call the current generation as AMD's version of the Pentium 4. I have an FX6300 in my main gaming PC. While it does well, it just isn't up to par with Intel's offerings.

    I've been keeping an eye out for the next version of the AM3+ performance line and found that I've pretty much got it.

    Uh... what?

    AMD's flagship performance socket, AM3, has pretty much been dropped completely with all focus towards hot dual cores (seriously, that is what they are) with some rather nice integrated graphics. While I've sold several of these to my business customers I'm seriously considering jumping to Intel for my rigs.

    The biggest reason is I've always had an upgrade path with AMD. It was always easy to keep building a new AMD as I'd have a couple of generations of CPU available to a platform and some of my parts from the previous system would cross. It was rarely ever a 100% replacement, more a long term evolution.

    My next system will likely require a new motherboard to replace what is to me a fairly new board. With AMD effectively dropping the AM3 line just after I got onboard, I've got a sour taste in my mouth.

    Those Core i7 are looking better. AMD has done this to themselves.

    They took their IT customers, those that tell everyone else what to buy, told them about this awesome new CPU on the AM3 platform, the ultimate of the Bulldozer line, walked them out blindfolded for the big reveal, then walked away. We're standing there in a field of nothing with a blindfold on looking like jackasses.

    That is what I think of AMD's current roadmap.
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  • Cryio - Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - link

    The absolutely BEST game for CPU benchmarking remains Crysis 3.

    I don't know why they use Tomb Raider and Company of Heroes which both are CPU agnostic. Not to mention that F1 series just hates AMD CPUs for whatever reason.

    Games that really use the CPU: Crysis 3, Hitman Absolution, Assassin's Creed IV (I think). GRID 2, or really any mainline DIRT games. Hell, even Watch Dogs.

    If any of those games that know how to properly use more than 2-4 cores were tested then this AMD beast would wipe the floor with those i3s.
    Reply
  • nctritech - Monday, October 20, 2014 - link

    I just got an FX-9590 and an ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 motherboard to go with it. I closely examined available Intel options and chose this chip. Most of the comments here put down this chip and AMD because Intel has higher-performing options and most of those comments are completely missing one vital factor: PRICE. I got this combo for $355 tax + shipping. Even if you go with the previous generation of Intel's flagship CPU, the i7-3770K, Newegg has them TODAY for $330. Hmm, that's almost as much as I paid for the FX with a brand new motherboard! Same story for the i7-4770K at $335.

    I walked away during a CPU sale special paying $220 total for the FX-9590 chip. It's faster in video compression benchmarks than EVERY desktop Intel chip EXCEPT the X-series i7 chips. It runs with or near the 3770K and 4770K in almost every other benchmark, possibly excluding games.

    For those of you jeering at "efficiency" and praising how much faster Intel's Haswell chips can be, I wish you the best...but I'll be able to get an SSD, better RAM, or a nicer graphics card because I have $100 extra in my pocket, all while enjoying roughly the same performance as the Intel chips you've formed a cult around. Best of all, there's no LGA socket with extremely fragile pins to void my warranty; you know, when you return a mobo and they refuse to honor your return because "user-caused CPU socket pin damage" even though it was sent back because a nearby defective power component visibly burned up. Plus, did you know that CPUs only use their TDP worth of heat when you're taxing them to the maximum constantly? Who knew?!

    You can have your lower performance-per-currency-unit chips and theoretical efficiency, I'll take the best overall deal, thanks!
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