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  • mwarner1 - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    Personally i'm not a fan of Big Asses :-D Reply
  • nathanddrews - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    Are you lying? Reply
  • inighthawki - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    I would assume that not everyone is... Reply
  • ERJ - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    Come on inighthawki, you can't deny! Reply
  • designerfx - Thursday, July 17, 2014 - link

    Edit: Beaten :( Reply
  • lmcd - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    I'd prefer a less fragrant type of fan, to be honest. Though for a bathroom I guess it wouldn't make much of a difference. Reply
  • icrf - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    All this 802.15.4 mesh networking connects all these HA devices to each other, but how do they get to the internet? Does a home router/access point need to support this protocol, too, to actually connect those devices to the services that make them useful? Is there another bridge piece of hardware to buy?

    Also, what's wrong with Wi-Fi? Entering complicated passwords into devices with minimal-to-no UI can be a pain, but is there something else, too? Comparatively complicated protocol that's more expensive to implement and draws more power?
  • techarcher - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    The mesh network figures it out, as long as one of the mesh is connected to the internet. So yes, ultimately a home router is involved.

    The problem with Wifi is both power and reach. In a Wifi network, typically each device must be within reach of the Wifi router. Mesh networks just have to be in reach of another device, which can pass it along. And with 6LoWPAN or 802.11ah, etc. they are much lower power consumption and lower data rate (since small sensors like your fridge should be sending limited data).
  • isa - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    I agree with the power disadvantage with WiFi. The mystery for me is why WiFi products don't seem to use mesh via 802.11s that's been out for several years. Reply
  • Scabies - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    Making it into an acronym isn't going to make "Internet of Things" a thing. It's still just a buzzword. Can't we just make ultra-low-power-WiFi for its own sake? Reply
  • ganeshts - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    I would personally wait to see how 802.11ah plays out. Reply
  • isa - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    I generally agree, although it depends on how soon 802.11ah products will be available. Ganesh is all over that so I look forward to his next update on that. Hopefully manufacturers will have an updated opinion of market timing when the draft 2.0 voting is reviewed and discussed this week at an IEEE conference. Reply
  • isa - Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - link

    (facepalm) I just noticed I responded to Ganesh's own comment. Reading comprehension is my friend. Reply
  • isa - Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - link

    I just read the voting comments to the 2nd draft of 802.11ah. I'd say this std will undergo a bit more review. Here's one of the comments from the chair of the entire 802.11 group:

    "The S1G study group started with the intent of "re-banding" .11 for the use case of meter reading, i.e., to support existing proprietary functionality. I believe the assumption at the time was this would be a small and quick project.

    But I look at what we have - a 582 page draft, which is bigger than .11n, .11ac, .11ad. It has morphed into something that includes multiple kitchen sinks and re-invents mesh and other MAC features like RD.

    I believe it has gone way beyond the orginal expectations in terms of scope, and exceeds the scope in the PAR.

    I realize that the comment resolution group have no workable way of responding positively to this comment. However, that doesn't invalidate my comment on scope."

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