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  • jcknows0 - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    The chassis itself is a little on the pricey side. Its pretty hard to recommend a $1300 i5 system with less than 100 GB SSD space. I just built my latest NUC for under $300, just doesn't seem worth it for fanless. Reply
  • faiakes - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    For Europeans, there is the very similar Alaska Tesla H. High-tech reviewed it and compared it to the Intel and another custom case herehttp://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2014/03/20/... Reply
  • WithoutWeakness - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    The target market for these types of fanless, industrial, SFF machines is not the same target market as Intel's off-the-shelf NUC or Gigabyte's Brix. Fanless boxes like these are meant to be deployed in areas where the machine likely needs to be running 24/7/365 and any downtime is an order of magnitude more costly than the $1300 that the box costs. Overheating due to fan failures, untimely deaths of non-enterprise-grade SSD's (or, god forbid, platter-based hard drives), and other potential issues can be avoided by getting something like this box that is built specifically for the application. For other uses a NUC makes more sense (I bought a NUC to run as a cheap all-purpose media/backup/Mumble server and I love it) but for industrial and enterprise purposes you're far better off getting something like this. Reply
  • BryanC - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    Why is it acceptable for a fanless industrial SFF machine like this to have an external power supply? Seems like that significantly complicates installation, especially in tight, cramped areas where this type of machine is attractive. Also, I'd be worried about the reliability of the power supply, it doesn't look like it's engineered to last. Reply
  • WithoutWeakness - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    Not a clue. I definitely have to agree that an internal power supply would make the unit far easier to install because you wouldn't have to find a spot to put the brick. My best guess would be that it would make the unit larger and run hotter as the PSU would be unable to vent externally. Apple's Mac Mini is only slightly larger than this and has an internal PSU and 35W CPU but it also has a fan to help keep thermals in check.

    Mac Mini: 7.7" wide, 7.7" deep, 1.4" tall
    Core-ML320: 7.72" wide, 5.17" deep, 1.45" tall
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  • DanNeely - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    Probably because of the optional 6-30VDC input jack. That's flexible enough that you should be able to wire it into the existing power system of whatever machine it's embedded in. Reply
  • evilspoons - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    This is exactly the reason. Every industrial panel I've ever installed a PC in already has a 24 VDC power supply for the rest of the control system. Reply
  • BryanC - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    Thanks, I learned something today! =) Reply
  • BedfordTim - Saturday, May 03, 2014 - link

    I couldn't find the 6-30VDC input jack option on the website, but the NUC motherboard itself does have a 12-24V input. The motherboard manual is inconsistent about input voltages, and Intel haven't been very helpful in clarifying this. Reply
  • Lothsahn - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    One reason is that with the industrial market, they'll actually have a DC line they want to wire the devices into. Reply
  • PCfan720 - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    The base system is around $650, which is only a couple hundred bucks more than the standard NUC with a fan that Intel offers. A couple hundred bucks isn't bad for a completely sealed and fanless unit. Reply
  • WithoutWeakness - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    The NUC is also barebones. The price of comparable RAM and an MSATA SSD should be included in the price of the NUC for a fair comparison. Reply
  • eBob - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    This isn't really intended for a home or office user. When you have things running on the factory floor, reliability becomes a more overriding concern. These systems often end up running ten and even twenty years and often without software updates. I would imagine that a lot of these systems are destined to be locked in control cabinets with other hardware and forgotten about unless something goes wrong. Reply
  • Morawka - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    how did you build a NUC for under 300 when the barebones is $365? and that's not even counting $50 RAM, $70 Intel Wireless and $60 hard drive + $6 Power Cord Reply
  • Hrel - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    What's gong on with the Habey on the 7zip test? Shouldn't Gigabyte still be way ahead? Reply
  • ganeshts - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    We weren't able to run 7-Zip on the BRIX Pro (1) configuration because we no longer have access to that particular configuration. You can see updated benchmarks in our second part of the BRIX Pro review that will use different DRAM / storage. I will be posting that shortly. Reply
  • senthil.c - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    It is very disappointing that most NUC does not comes with the IR sensor built-in, since these kind of PC's are mostly used in home theatre environment, IR sensor is a must needed feature. Reply
  • PCfan720 - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    The ML320 does have an IR sensor, it's pictured in the main image and listed in the spec table on the Logic Supply site (http://www.logicsupply.com/core-ml320/). Did you just mean that in general most NUC systems don't have one? Reply
  • Antronman - Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - link

    Wouldn't make bad HTPCs.

    No IR, but not bad. A little bit on the pricey side though...for 1000-1300USD you're not looking at an HTPC, but a low-end gaming PC.
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  • harshw - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    There's also the Akasa Newton H. It's smaller, cheaper ( in the UK at least. US prices are a laugh ) and with a bit of modding for LEDs - it is perfectly acceptable as a HTPC

    Mine does 41c/50c for the CPU/SSD at an ambient of 27c

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/akasa-newton-h-alum...

    The default LEDs for all these cases are usually a blindingly bright blue for power and an anemic green/yellow for HDD. I modded mine to have a warm daylight dim white LED for power and a dim blue for HDD activity. Wish manufacturers had more sense ...
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  • toyotabedzrock - Thursday, May 01, 2014 - link

    You temp readings on the outside of the case do not have correct celsius to fahrenheit conversion. In the first image on the left you will see conversion errors. Reply
  • tarqsharq - Friday, May 02, 2014 - link

    Also, they really need to do a border around the font to make it more legible... Reply
  • Thermalzeal - Friday, May 02, 2014 - link

    I have some industrial clients that we've been looking at upgrading their PC's. After Kabini's launch and that awesome DC 19v mobo by Asrock, I've specked a system for $475 with all passive cooling. $1300 is way too high. My system has a 240GB SSD, 8GB of ram and the best processor in the Kabini lineup. Reply
  • Wall Street - Saturday, May 03, 2014 - link

    I like the dropdown menu for the comparison table. Very cool. Reply
  • PaigeKnowleskag - Saturday, May 03, 2014 - link

    good Reply
  • hollovoid7 - Saturday, May 03, 2014 - link

    I work in a large factory and can see these things working out very well in the equipment there. There is quite a bit of dust in some areas, and most machine cpus fall victim to it from the cooling fans getting plugged up, then fried as a result. As it is, nearly all PLC's now a days are fanless for that reason, the computer that drives the control interfaces should be as well. Reply
  • Roy2001 - Tuesday, May 06, 2014 - link

    Pay extra $1000 for fanless? Reply
  • seamanjeff - Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - link

    We have 4 of these in use displaying production schedules in a dirty/wet paper mill environment. The i3 was overkill so we went back to the Atom - with Ubuntu LTS, openbox and Chromium they are pretty sweet systems. Work like greased lightning. I no longer even see Windows in the rear-view mirror. Reply
  • M/2 - Friday, May 09, 2014 - link

    I have a Mac Mini Server w/ i7 Quadcore and 2 SSDs that costs the same or less, has the same or better performance, and doesn't look like an industrial black box. Reply
  • nerd1 - Sunday, May 11, 2014 - link

    I am actually among their target audience, and personally I think being fanless is not a big deal compared to being weatherproof. Are there ANY weatherproof embedded computer out there? Reply

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