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  • blackmagnum - Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - link

    Will WP 8.1 support my Lumia 520? Reply
  • euskalzabe - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Yes, it will be available for every single WP8 in existence. Reply
  • Stubbazubba - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I thought it was just every Lumia. Either way, yes, the 520/521 will get it. I read that Elop even had a 521 running 8.1 on stage. Reply
  • ObstinateMuon - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I think universal apps is the killer app that the Windows ecosystem needs.

    Is it just me and my sleep deprivation or does this article have double spaces after each sentence?
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  • pattycake0147 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Yup two taps of the spacebar between sentences. Growing up I was taught that's the proper way to type papers. Although, I'm not sure how often the practice gets used. Reply
  • teiglin - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I still type that way too. Many systems just don't display the extra space (writing pure html like that is a pain) and last time I used Word it autocorrected away the extra space. It is quite noticeable here; perhaps Anandtech writers should have style guide for consistency's sake. Reply
  • Myrandex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Same here I was taught it was proper and still do it to this day. Reply
  • uhuznaa - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    In HTML one, two or 12 spaces do not make any difference. In this article there's "  " trailing each full stop. Never saw anyone going to such lengths to emulate what might have made sense with back then with typewriters... Reply
  • mkozakewich - Sunday, April 06, 2014 - link

    It's a throwback to the typewriter days, basically. It's kind of funny that people are still doing that today; kind of Cargo Cult. Reply
  • Ian Cutress - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I always write with double spaces after periods. It's how I was taught to write, and it's a very hard habit to break out of. Go back through most of my reviews here and that is how it is. For me a double space after a period clearly defines the end of a sentence - one space and it could be mistaken for a comma if skim reading. Also aids reading aloud in adjusting sentence tone. Some people cant really stand it. MS Word will do either single or double, as long as you are consistent. Copy pasting double spaced from word into our AnandTech engine keeps the double spacing (it'll add a non-breaking space to create the effect). Reply
  • Gigaplex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    That's really something that should be controlled by a layout engine, rather than manually hitting space twice while generating the content. Reply
  • mkozakewich - Sunday, April 06, 2014 - link

    Well, manually pressing the spacebar twice is something of an autonomic response for most people who do it. A layout engine should be made to strip that out, in general, unless a particular organizational guideline requires it (in which case it should add it to all sentences that don't have it). Reply
  • nathanddrews - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    My wife gives me crap for double-spacing in text messages. I can't help it!

    On topic, does Jen Taylor do all the Cortana speech on the platform? If they had her doing the voicework and I could get her to call me "Chief", I would probably buy a WP tomorrow.
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  • Myrandex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Yes it was confirmed she is doing it. Reply
  • relentlessfocus - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    In traditional typesetting there was only a single space after a period. But typesetting had the ability to flexibly adjust the space between adjacent individual letters to compensate for their relative different sizes. Typewriters are monospaced, all letters take up the same space whether an I or a W. As a result it became necessary to add a second space after a period to make text easier to read.

    Those of us who learned to type on typewriters were taught by typing teachers who knew the ins and outs of asdf typewriters but knew little or nothing about good typography. Underlining titles is another example of bad typography but necessary typing style for typewriters which originally didn't have italics.

    Computers since the earliest Macintosh had the ability to correctly adjust the space between letters as they appear in typeset pages. At the time this was a big deal, a Great Leap Forward in professional looking print (along with the fine type quality of laser printers and the postscript language from adobe)

    Professional typographers work hard to have eye friendly uniform spacing between letter pairs. A printed page with doublespacing after periods has an uneven look, rivulets of whitespace which to the trained eye looks unprofessional.

    You are of course free to ignore good typography and may even prefer what you're familiar with. But slowly doublespacing belongs to the age of slicked pompedours and beehive hairdos.
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  • R0H1T - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I'd say this was always the plan MS had for win8, I predicted this on AT forums last year, & the fact that they have a PC monopoly will only help them sell more of their phones, tablets, convertibles et al based on the win8 platform. The tables will turn soon & Android will have it's work cut out btw did I mention that MS makes more through Android device sales than most phone makers do themselves, frivolous patents & all, but I guess that's an entirely separate debate! Reply
  • Brett Howse - Friday, April 04, 2014 - link

    You are not sleep deprived - I was taught to type that way and always have. I'll do a find/replace for all future articles I didn't mean to open up the single/double space war which apparently exists but was unknown to me! Reply
  • ObstinateMuon - Saturday, April 05, 2014 - link

    Much appreciated. Fixing this will eliminate the awkward white spacing in paragraphs and make your articles look more professional. Reply
  • PlugPulled - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Awesome. I can't wait to buy Windows phone. I had enough with Android input lag and stutter and apple's non sense iOS 7 glass effect which drains battery and runs at low Fps. Reply
  • Bob Todd - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I'm sleepy so maybe I missed it, but isn't the fact that WP8 is free to OEMs now kind of a big deal too? Reply
  • Silver47 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Indeed, also Windows in devices under 10" Reply
  • Laxaa - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I'm looking forward to this, as well as the new 930 to replace my 920.

    Too bad Anandtech probably won't do a full deep dive into this new OS and it's new hardware(hell, WP 8 barely got a preview)
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  • Myrandex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I know! I don't think any Lumia was ever reviewed at Anandtech (I know the 920 was not). I'd replace my 920 with one as well but it won't be available here :/ Reply
  • b4lr0g - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Does 8.1 improve the way the phone is backed up?

    Currently it doesn't support backing up of

    - Application data
    - Home screen customisations.

    which I sorely miss.
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  • B3an - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Yes it backs up everything:

    http://wmpoweruser.com/backup-on-windows-phone-8-1...
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  • Jon Tseng - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Have they fixed the flaky multitasking?

    The one annoying thing on my Lumia 520 was poor save/restore state when you switch out of app - e.g. when listening to music when running it would often autokill and restart the app once you have flipped out to browser/maps/run tracker rather than just picking up where left off.
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  • Brian Z - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I dont believe that the 520 is a good device to base that off of. It is a budget phone with only 512mb of ram. When multitasking, things are just going to have to get killed more than you would like. Reply
  • Gigaplex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    It's the perfect device to base that off, as devices with more RAM simply bypass the mechanism so you're not testing it. The issue remains, but is pushed further into "difficult to reproduce" territory. Reply
  • Duraz0rz - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I think that's up to the developer to support. There's an event that fires that gives the app a chance to save its state when being tombstoned, and then another event when it resumes. Reply
  • Ramakrishnan M - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    In India When Will WP 8.1 update..? Reply
  • jamyryals - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    They said updates will start in May and finish this summer for all Lumia phones. Reply
  • Tig3RStylus - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Excellent, some great announcements from Microsoft in the past days and looks like Satya's appointment has helped them learn how to better communicate. Reply
  • webby7 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Hmmm wonder if AT will actually bother with a review this time around?

    Or if you don't want to review, please don't tease us with the promise of one.
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  • justaviking - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Ah, the single-vs-double space war.

    I am a firm believer in the double-space method, since that is how I was taught. My youngest son (in grade school) insists on single spacing.

    Forget the typewriter-vs-typesetting-vs-computer stuff. Here are my two points:

    a) Double-spacing more clearly delineates the end of a sentence, and sentences are a higher-level object than words, so they deserve more space between them.

    Why put a blank line between paragraphs? You could single-space everything, and simply indent the first line of each paragraph. Oh, because it's easier on the eye and makes for quick scanning and fast reading.

    b) When kids are taught how to write (block-style printing) in school, they are taught to put extra space between sentences. In fact, all my kids were taught to leave a "finger width" space between sentences. So why doesn't that same learning carry forward to printed material. If it helps make your text easier to read,it's a good thing.

    But I won't hurt anyone just for disagreeing with me. However, maybe we should take it to the next level and simply remove all spaces. Thinkabouthowmuchtimewewouldsave.
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  • Arbie - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I have a WP8 phone and like it in general.

    BUT - there is no whitelist feature! It is incomprehensible to me that I can't simply limit my callers to those I want. This is a smartphone, right? It can't maintain a list of numbers? So I get dozens of spam texts and no way to prevent them. Am I, um, the only one who doesn't want spam?

    Whitelist is a no-brainer feature that should be in Rev. 0 of every smartphone release.
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  • kyuu - Saturday, April 05, 2014 - link

    It's incomprehensible that anyone would want to impair their phone's ability to receive calls/texts from anyone but a small subset of numbers, but I guess that's your prerogative.

    The more sensible option, as far as I'm concerned, is to use a blacklist to selectively block numbers. That feature does exist in WP8.
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  • hangfirew8 - Monday, April 14, 2014 - link

    If you provide a child (or other limited function person) with a phone, unless the blacklist has some serious wildcard features, you'll understand the absolute need for a whitelist. Reply
  • SkyBill40 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Having watched the development of WP since its inception, it's been an interesting journey to this point.This iteration looks like the real game changer for them. Had I not decided to get a Samsung Note 3 and if Verizon had a better selection of WP devices, I may have jumped over. Oh, well. I suppose there's always my next phone... Reply
  • Duraz0rz - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Verizon has the Lumia Icon now, which is basically the Lumia 930. I have one of them and they are fantastic! Reply
  • SkyBill40 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    I've not looked into that one but it's still not the 1020 or 1520, both of which are superior devices. Still, I think I got a better phone in my Note 3. We'll see what happens in the years to come. I'm interested, for sure, but not completely sold on WP yet. Reply
  • Braumin - Friday, April 04, 2014 - link

    It's actually the exact same insides as the 1520. Same SoC, same camera, just in a 5" package not 6".

    I agree the 1520 is slightly superior due to SD support and Glance screen.
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  • kyuu - Saturday, April 05, 2014 - link

    The 1020 is only superior as far as the camera goes -- I would fully support the notion that they need an updated 1020. The 1520 is only superior as far as size (and that's only a plus if you like the phablet form factor), microSD (always a plus), and Glance support (I suspect the lack of Glance support in the Icon has something to do with Verizon being dipshits as usual), but is otherwise the same phone as the Icon. Reply
  • Duraz0rz - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    The 1520 and the Icon share the same SoC and camera, although the 1520 has both a MicroSD slot and Glance support (neither of which I really miss). The Icon is Verizon only, whereas the 1520 is AT&T.

    The 1020 has the vastly superior camera, but the same SoC as the 92x series.
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  • Hrel - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - link

    Xbone* Reply
  • hangfirew8 - Monday, April 14, 2014 - link

    Is AT&T blocking Data Sense again, or are they allowing users to see how much data they are using this time? (I had to ditch AT&T because of this issue and a still-unknown runaway data vampire). Reply
  • Brett Howse - Tuesday, April 15, 2014 - link

    I'm not on AT&T to verify, but I've seen reports that as of 8.1 Data Sense is available on AT&T. It may go away though when the firmware updates come out though we can't be sure until that happens. Reply
  • hangfirew8 - Tuesday, April 15, 2014 - link

    I wonder if Microsoft realized how much AT&T is damaging their brand with this strategy. It forced us off AT&T and I never fail to worn everyone I know who is interested in smart phones (pretty much everybody) not to buy an AT&T Microsoft phone unless you really, really enjoy paying data overages for mysterious reasons. Reply
  • alidoors - Thursday, June 12, 2014 - link

    I ordered the Surface Pro 3, Great product, exactly as described. Very good seller! Tablet arrived in California for 3 days - good packaging and everything is in good condition. Highly recommended seller.

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