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  • zepi - Thursday, February 20, 2014 - link

    4K is not ready for mainstream adoption with PC's as long as we don't have HDMI 2.0 or Displayport 1.3 devices.

    MST is kind of an ugly hack and less than 60Hz is not an option for general usage.
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  • ericloewe - Thursday, February 20, 2014 - link

    DisplayPort 1.2 supports a single 4K@60Hz stream, it's the monitors that (mostly) use two controllers instead of a single (apparently expensive/difficult to obtain) controller capable of driving the whole screen at 60Hz.

    DisplayPort 1.3 doubles the bandwidth, allowing for the obvious extra features (double frame rate/3D, 4K daisy-chaining...)
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  • NLPsajeeth - Thursday, February 20, 2014 - link

    "4K and Triple Display via miniDP"

    If you like your 4K at 30 Hz, then yes, it has 4K support. However personally I don't think GPUs have any business claiming 4K support if they can't support at least 4K @ 60 Hz.

    Broadwell has a maximum pixel clock of 300 MHz which means it will never support ALL the resolutions supported by HDMI 2.0 (4K, 60 Hz, 8-bit) or DisplayPort 1.2 (4K, 60Hz, 10-bit). I guess we'll have to wait for Skylake which will only be out late 2015 or even 2016. Sigh.
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  • Mountainjoy - Thursday, February 20, 2014 - link

    Consumer 4k you'd actually use with a NUC will take until 2015 or even 2016, so it's not that bad. Reply
  • p1esk - Thursday, February 20, 2014 - link

    Haswell's Iris graphics does not support 4k@60Hz resolution? Wow, you totally blew my mind with this info! And even Broadwell not going to??? This is just pathetic. Reply
  • p1esk - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    Actually, I see some reports that Haswell does support 4K@60Hz:
    https://discussions.apple.com/message/24067554#240...
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  • Morawka - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    It does if the connectors are there (thunderbolt/hdmi2.0, or displayport 1.3). The CPU/GPU in haswell/broadwell is prefectly capable of 4K in 2D @ 60FPS/Hz Reply
  • p1esk - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    Link? So far, I only saw info that Haswell (and Broadwell) has 300MHz pixel clock (24 bit). Reply
  • madmilk - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    DisplayPort 1.2 (which is used in Thunderbolt 2) is actually enough, and many mid to high-end Haswell boards and laptops have support for that. Reply
  • Penti - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    MST works fine on Haswell today. Pixel clock/bandwidth problem just effects HDMI.

    Monitors need to support 60Hz in SST before we fret about potential problems there.

    Not even Maxwell does HDMI 2.0 or 600MHz TMDS yet, for that matter.
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  • 8steve8 - Thursday, February 20, 2014 - link

    the nuc's seem unnecessarily low power... Why are they using 15W CPU's designed for the extremely limited cooling abilities of an ultrabook put in this tiny desktop that could house the full size intel retail cooler without too much extra height.

    Give us 65W CPU/GPU NUC's like gigabyte did with the brix pro, but don't fail on the cooling solution... if it needs to be an extra inch or two taller, it's fine... it'll still be very tiny!
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  • Morawka - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    simple answer: cooling, these are fanless Reply
  • Thorburn - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    Nope, they aren't. NUCs still have a fan for the cooler. I've got a D54250U and turning the power limits up to 28W (along with increasing GPU frequency to try and emulate Iris 5100) makes it a lot noiser as well.
    If you want a taller, 65W, part then the option is available in the BRIX Pro. Not sure why you'd need multiple companies producing identical products.
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  • thewhat - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    The stock NUC from Intel isn't fanless (except the Atom one), but there are fanless NUC cases and from one review I saw (Akasa Newton) the temps are good.

    But to answer the first question, the low power consumption is a good thing on its own. That it can also work fanlessly is just an extra bonus and I'm sure in the future Intel will explore this option. Right now a fanless case adds some additional bulk/weight, which probably adds some additional costs.
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  • kgh00007 - Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - link

    Hi, what is the performance like with the power turned up? I'm just waiting on mine to arrive!! Reply
  • imaheadcase - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    I don't think you understand the market for these devices. Most people get them for kitchen/business/XBMX machines. You simply don't need to go crazy on them. The BRIX Pro is already overkill. Reply
  • NeBlackCat - Saturday, February 22, 2014 - link

    XBMX? Is that some sort of media playing bicycle? Reply
  • thok - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    I know this thread is about Broadwell but for the current batch of Haswell Intel does not have its act together. Sofar I have bad experience with Intels for use as HTPC, no HDMI sound with Haswell video see this thread at Intel https://communities.intel.com/message/224122.

    Using an Intel i7-4771 on Intel DH87RL with Windows 8.1 and up to date bios and drivers BUT NO SOUND.
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  • imaheadcase - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    I have not had this issue. But if you are using it as a HTPC why are you using the NUC for sound anyways and not the TV., Reply
  • Aikouka - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    I think you're misunderstanding him. He isn't using the NUC to produce the sound. The issue is with the current Intel graphics driver, which unsurprising for Intel, is almost three months old. Anyway, the problem is that the drivers simply do not bitstream any codecs (Dolby Digital, DTS, Dolby True HD, DTS HD Master). If you attempt to bitstream, you will hear nothing, and in my experience, you also get extremely slowed-down video. Given I said that it's the Intel graphics drivers, this problem affects *all* Intel iGPUs that use them. My Haswell NUC and Ivy Bridge i3 HTPCs both exhibit this problem.

    The work-around is to set your speakers to 5.1, which makes Windows process the audio and output Multi-channel PCM. The issue that I have is that my Ivy Bridge system keeps resetting back to Stereo whenever I turn off the TV and receiver. So, I have to go and change it back every time or suffer with 2.0 channel audio.
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  • thok - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    Hi, I would already be happy with simple stereo but Intel managed to make the HDMI entirely invisible. So not related to NUC's but just some negative feedback on their current generation Haswell. Reply
  • Aikouka - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    That's strange. As mentioned, I have an i3 Haswell NUC, and I haven't seen this problem. I do get audio going through HDMI, but as noted, I have to make sure any settings for Dolby, DTS, etc. are disabled. Reply
  • kgh00007 - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    Any sign of part II of the Brix Pro review lads? Reply
  • jrs77 - Friday, February 21, 2014 - link

    The DN2820FYKH will become available 4th March for ~€130 sporting a 7.5W Celeron 2820 @ 2.4GHz, a preinstalled WiFi bgn and BT mSATA-card and a infrared-sensor. It also has an additional mSATA-slot for a SSD, or you can simply use the SATA3-port for a 2.5" SSD/HDD for which there is place to install it in the kit.

    This is the best NUC intel has yet released imho, especially since they also switched to a 12V powerbrick.
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  • IceLee - Thursday, April 17, 2014 - link

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