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  • thekimbobjones - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Is this Correct? "These use sixteen 4 Gb memory packages on board to total up to the 8 GB number" Reply
  • tipoo - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Yeah. 4GB * 16 = 64Gb, which is 8GB. The big or little B may have thrown you. Reply
  • tolis626 - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Yes,it is.16x4Gb (gigabit,not GB which is gigabyte) means 64Gb.Divide that by 8 and you have 8GB of RAM. Reply
  • Jammrock - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    The math is correct.

    There are 8 bits in a Byte. 4Gb x 16 = 64Gb / 8 = 8GB
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  • TommyVolt - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Just to clarify again
    A 8GB module uses sixteen pcs 4Gb chips (or 18 chips when having ECC)
    A 16GB module uses sixteen pcs 8Gb chips

    The problem is that Intels standard processors can not understand 8Gb chips, although they are part of the DDR3 specification standard. Thus 16GB modules do not work on Intels, but they do work on others
    Reply
  • Lerianis - Friday, February 14, 2014 - link

    You're kidding? Jeez... Intel needs a swift kick in the keister for not including this in their chips. Reply
  • 8steve8 - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    not working with intel processors like haswell seems to be a serious issue.. what about broadwell? Reply
  • wlee15 - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Not really 32 GB is probably sufficient for the mainstream/low-end server market until DDR4 comes along. Those who need more have the six core i7s and Xeons. Reply
  • Gigaplex - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    It doesn't work with the six core i7s or Xeons either. Reply
  • ZeDestructor - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    LGA2011 i7s have 8 slots, and Xeons have a much wider range of DIMMs available for high-memory use (RDIMM, LRDIMM). Reply
  • Darkstone - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - link

    Unless you have a notebook.

    I know some folks with 4x8GB dimms in their notebook, that hope to upgrade that to 4x16GB some day. Some manufacturers such as clevo have gone so far to say that 64GB is officially supported. According to this article this isn't the case, and 64GB will never work on current mobile platforms.
    Reply
  • Zero110 - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Pretty sure I'm going to get slammed for missing something, but this also means no possibility of 32GB on an intel MiniITX setup, correct? Been wanting to go smaller than MicroATX, but 2 DIMM slots is too limiting currently. Reply
  • TiGr1982 - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Seems to be the case - if Intel platforms don't support 16 GB DDR3 modules, as written in this article, then Intel miniITX is stuck with 8 GB/module x 2 modules = 16 GB Reply
  • Gigaplex - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    It'll work with Intel mini-ITX systems that use Avoton or Rangely CPUs. Reply
  • Flunk - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Which is only helpful if you need a lot of memory and a very slow processor. Pretty niche. Reply
  • Drizzt321 - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    So awesome for memcache/redis/etc type servers you mean? Yea, pretty awesome I'd think for those kind of servers. Avoid having to move up to 2 socket boards to increase the memory substantially. Reply
  • ricera10 - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    If you use an Avoton board, you can totally go to 64 GB! Reply
  • Sahrin - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Extremely disappointing that Intel didn't implement the DDR3 spec correctly.

    It's great that there's finally an option for 16 GB in a single DIMM, though. I guess I'll be able to buy an AMD system.
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  • ddriver - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    Hope you will still device to keep on living :D

    This "product" aims to solve a non-existent issue, no one would purchase a consumer mobo with 2 memory slots only to put 32 gigs of memory in it.

    The systems that actually need plenty of ram support larger capacity modules, so it is all good.
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  • Gigaplex - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    There's a fairly recent trend to build powerful mini-ITX systems lately which is generally limited to 2 memory slots. Reply
  • madmilk - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Which brings up the question: why are there no mini-ITX systems that support RDIMMs? Reply
  • ZeDestructor - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    More interesting (to me at least) is why tehre aren't any mini-ITX boards with 4 SO-DIMM slots instead? Reply
  • hardwickj - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Lack of physical space. ASRock makes one, but it's expensive, not sold in the US, and is "Mini-ITX Extended" which would fall somewhere between Mini-ITX and Micro-ATX I'm guessing. Reply
  • ddriver - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Why would anyone ever need more than 16 gb of ram in a piny ITX system? And note that I say "NEED" not want, because the only limit to what one might want is his or her stupidity. I am a power user, I run a few workstations and a rendering farm and I can assure you even if you plan to make a gaming or workstation PC in ITX format, 16 gb is more than that system will need in its life span. Reply
  • FunBunny2 - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    If you have a cube farm of actuaries, say, then giving them small machines with lots of memory can make sense. Reply
  • Guspaz - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    While this is true (and awesome), even a powerful machine is hard pressed to benefit much from more than 16GB of RAM. That's not to say that I don't have a file server running 24GB of RAM sitting here in my apartment (using consumer hardware rather than server), but it's most assuredly not mini-ITX (with 15xHDD and 3xSSDs, I can't lift the damned thing). Reply
  • mobutu - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    @ddriver "no one would purchase a consumer mobo with 2 memory slots only to put 32 gigs of memory in it."

    I'm a consumer and I'd buy 32GB for my powerful miniITX in a heartbeat, which is limited to 16GB atm.

    So don't speak nonsense
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  • ddriver - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Mind telling me what kind of an application you put that board into so that you NEED 32 gigs of ram? Or maybe just moar ram makes you feel moar like a man? If anyone speaks nonsense here, then it is you. The ONLY scenario where an ITX system will make any use of more than 16 gigs of ram is server, and there you already have ITX boards with 4 slots supporting up to 64 gigs of ecc ram. Reply
  • damianrobertjones - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    VMWare Reply
  • mobutu - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    virtual machines + ramdrives + gaming all in a tiny yet powerful system
    If you're not doing it then it doesnt mean nobody is doing it.
    reread my previous advice: don't speak nonsense

    Been waiting for some time for 16gig sticks, it looks now it is going to happen rather sooner than later. GREAT!
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  • ddriver - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Yes, because the world is full of gamers who run multiple virtual machines and ramdrives on living room media boxes... Take your own advice and apply it to yourself. If you need loads of ram, ITX is generally not the place to look, but even if you do need ITX, there are already boards which support up to 64 gigs of ram, plus all the enterprise features you will likely need in such a scenario that are not found on consumer ITX boards. Reply
  • heffeque - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    It's not a matter of needing miniITX, it's a matter of choosing to have one. Not everybody wants a huge noisy machine as their working and/or home and/or gaming PC. Reply
  • ddriver - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Is there any particular reason you need the PC in the same room? I keep desktops/workstations/servers in a dedicated room - no noise no heat no clutter.

    BTW - huge machines are not necessarily noisy. Non-ITX machines are not necessarily huge. The rest is just drivel by people "amazed" by the possibility of putting an unnecessarily amount of memory in a machine constrained by its footprint., 99.99% of which will never really do it.

    When will kids learn that having lots of ram in your computer doesn't make you cooler, especially when you really have no use of it?
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  • Guspaz - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    As the owner of an mITX machine (well, OK, a shuttle XPC that's got a larger-than-mITX motherboard but is still smaller than many mITX cases like the Prodigy), the thing is bloody loud under load. Why? Because tiny PCs tend to have smaller fans, and smaller fans need to spin much faster (and louder) to provide enough airflow.

    The fan in mine is a 92mm fan that acts as both the CPU fan and casefan, and it spins at 3850 RPM at full speed. That is *NOT* quiet. Sadly, I tried a Noctua 92mm fan, and it utterly failed to adequately cool the system.
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  • hardwickj - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    macminicolo.net, macminivault.com….etc etc, which colocate thousands of mac minis alone. I could go on and on. The vast majority of people who colo their Mac Mini's are *eager* for 32GB of RAM. Unfortunately due to the Intel JEDEC bug, that will now never happen, or at least not until Broadwell based Mac Minis come out.

    I've seen you cry about this on other forums. Just because you don't have a need or are incapable of understanding others needs doesn't mean there *isn't* a need!
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  • hardwickj - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    ddriver, let me give a simple example. Mac Mini quad-core w/ 32GB of RAM and ESXi installed making 4 VM's, each with a hyper threaded core and 8GB of RAM. Great little virtualized and isolated server environments. There are *tons* more potential applications, IF these things had the memory capacity. Reply
  • LarsBars - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    +1
    Windows 8/8.1 Pro also have Hyper-V (what I use for a lab environment) and having 16GB of consumer memory per dimm is perfect for that. It also allows the rest of your PC to be cheaper when you don't need all the bells and whistles of server class hardware. I bought a mobo with 4 dimms / 64GB max ram for this purpose, and it was nice and cheap!
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  • TiGr1982 - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link

    It is indeed disappointing, that Intel does not support 16 GB unregistered DDR3 modules with the current CPUs. Maybe it will with Broadwell, but I think it definitely will for future DDR4 platforms.

    But just the single $320-350 16 GB module costs like twice the price of an AMD processor. And with only one module that's single channel RAM, so you need two of these modules to run in dual channel, making the RAM price 4 times the CPU price. IMHO, it's not worth it pricewise.
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  • RoboJ1M - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    It also means you can build 32GB ITX Kaveri boxes where you're limited to 2 RAM slots. Reply
  • ddriver - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Hurray, it has been a while since I was able to do something completely pointless. Reply
  • sligett - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - link

    I think that's what you are doing here by continuing to argue this point. Neither side will "win". And it would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything. Reply
  • ddriver - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - link

    I don't do it for a purpose, I am just chilling in between work hours. :)

    And at any rate, KAVERI with 32 gigs of ram? I'd understand if it was at least some high performance CPU, but this utter joke, 32 gigs for kaveri is like buying a mansion for your dog to live in, when all it needs is a dog house.
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  • TommyVolt - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    "640k ought to be enough for everybody" (Bill Gates, 1981) Reply
  • Primoz - Saturday, February 15, 2014 - link

    This. I was thinking of this quote the whole way through the thread. Reply
  • Lone Ranger - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    A few people here are implying that Intel screwed up by not implementing support for the larger DIMMs, even though it is in the JEDEC spec. It very well may be intentional, as to not cannibalize their low end Xeon sales (E3 series). Reply
  • KAlmquist - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    The article indicates that the problem occurs on all Intel processors using DDR-3 except for the Atom models (which presumably use a different memory controller).

    The maximum memory sizes specified for various Intel processors seem to assume DDR-3 DIMMs no larger than 8GB. LGA1155 and LGA1150 models (including the E3 series) are specified as supporting a maximum memory of 32GB (2 channels times 2 DIMMs/per channel times 8GB per DIMM). Similarly, LGA2111 chips are specified as supporting a maximum memory of 64GB (4 channels instead of 2). So it would seem that the lack of support for 16GB DIMMs is at least partially intentional.
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  • TiGr1982 - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - link

    That's a good point; as an argument in favor of that, Intel intentionally cuts ECC memory support for Core i7 to prevent using i7's instead of Xeons. Reply
  • bobbozzo - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Anyone know if these will work in the HP MicroServer Gen8?

    Someone tried some 16GB UDIMMs designed for an Apple workstation and they didn't get past POST.
    Reply
  • TommyVolt - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - link

    HP Microserver Gen8 uses Intel CPU....won't work. But I recommend to write an email to HP telling them about these modules and asking if they would support in the future.
    I think HP has the power to make Intel move!
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  • Lone Ranger - Friday, February 14, 2014 - link

    There is a key combo during POST that bypasses memory checks on some HP servers. Need to search around.... Reply

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