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  • DigitalFreak - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Not much more they can do, since the 780 was pretty close to Titan performance to begin with. I'm guessing they'll up the clocks and maybe go with 6GB of RAM. Reply
  • madwolfa - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I'm guessing that will be a rebranded Titan :) Reply
  • extide - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Yup I bet it will be a Titan, (ie have 2688 SP's) except with 1/24th speed on FP64, instead of 1/3 speed, 3GB RAM, and similar clock speeds to the existing cards. Reply
  • dgingeri - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I'm thinking the same thing. Reply
  • chizow - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I'm betting it will be the fully Monty GK110, less the DP functionality. All 2880SP with a slight clock bump, anything less than that wouldn't convincingly beat 290X imo, and if it doesn't do that there's not much point in it. There's already 225W 2880SP GK110 parts out there with Quadro K6000, figure the ones that don't make that TDP cut would be prime candidates for GTX 780Ti. Reply
  • SolMiester - Sunday, October 20, 2013 - link

    What would be the point of a rebranded Titan when the 290x is level pegging with it.....Forget Titan, it served its purpose9 mths ago, the 780 has made it redundant...The Ti IMO, will be full GK110, 1/24 FP64, a speed bump and hopefully 7ghz RAM Reply
  • Minion4Hire - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    There's no need for the 780 to have 6GBs of RAM. Titan has that much for GPGPU purposes, not because it offers any gaming advantage (as you already noted).

    The 780 TI will most likely just be a clock bump. Just something to get under AMD's skin and preemptively steal back the crown from what might have been their king-of-the-hill gaming card.
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  • Cellar Door - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I would say it would be more then just a clock bump. Just look at the history - no Ti product has ever been just a clock bump if I recall correctly. I think 780 will get one more SMX and same speed along with the RAM it has now. Reply
  • madwolfa - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    "something to replace the GTX 780 Ti" - I guess it should be GTX 780 here? Reply
  • medbor - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    In the anouncement they said it was their best gaming gpu yet, implying it should be faster than titan... Reply
  • Wreckage - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    If this is a full GK110 it will have little trouble leaving the 290x in the dust. Should be able to do it without the nuclear power draw of the 290 as well.

    This is still NVIDIA's old chip we are talking about, I can only imagine what their new chip will do.
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  • Kevin G - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    A full GK110 should outrun the R9 290X but I doubt nVidia is going to go that route. They'd save full GK110's for the HPC crowd where the price premium is far higher.

    More than likely the 780Ti will be 780 with higher clock speeds putting it on Titan level performance. If nVidia needed to increase voltage to get there, then power consumption should be on the same level as the R9 290X.
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  • dragonsqrrl - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I highly doubt that's what they did for the 780Ti, but I guess we'll know for certain in about a month. And don't rule out a fully enabled gk110 in a Geforce card. I doubt that the GTX780 Ti is it, but it probably will happen sometime in the not so distant future.

    I still remember people making the same argument against gk110 coming to the Geforce lineup at all, saying that it would make absolutely no sense for Nvidia to do so given the far higher profit margins in their pro lineups... lol. I think this argument just displays a complete lack of understanding of how the industry works.
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  • Creig - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Well, since Maxwell is still at least 6-8 months away, imagine is all ANYBODY can do. In the meantime, R290X performance leaks indicate it is faster than the 780 by a good margin at high resolutions. Reply
  • Wreckage - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    With Titan and the 780ti above a 780 that puts the R290X in third place. Reply
  • xinthius - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I'm sure I've seen benchmarks leaked that put the r290x ahead of the titan by 11% in 17 different benchmark scenarios. Reply
  • Creig - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Uh, I'm pretty sure 780ti benchmarks aren't out yet. In fact, all we have so far are some leaked R290X benchmarks at high res. Why don't you wait for the official benchmarks to come out before you start gushing green all over the internet.

    I'm willing to bet that the R290X will trade blows with the Titan and 780Ti depending on the game being tested, the resolution and graphics settings.
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  • DMCalloway - Sunday, October 20, 2013 - link

    I think we're all aware that benchmarks for the 780ti are not out yet...... however, Xinthius was referring to benchmarks between the r290x and Titan. Reply
  • ltcommanderdata - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Will the GTX 780 be sticking around and dropping in price? There's currently a huge price gap between the $649 GTX 780 and $399 GTX 770. Reply
  • nashathedog - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    That's what I'm hoping they'll do, Put the 780 ti close to the current 780 price and bring the 780 down. I've had my 4gb 770 on the for sale market for about 3 weeks now as at first I didn't want to pay the extra for the 780 but I've decided that I will upgrade to either a 290x or 780 once we get reliable test results for them, If I can get the 780 even cheaper now or a ti model for close to that it'll make my day. (I'm not ruling the 290x out though) Reply
  • Yorgos - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Manufacturing Process ?

    Yes, this is a BIG question-mark, it might be at 27.5 nm
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  • zeock9 - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I can only say one thing to AMD at this point : HAHA!!

    As much as I wanted AMD to fair better for competitions' sake, their dubious PR ploy had only disgusted me as of late.
    I'm glad nVidia's move will put an end to this absurdly nonsensical AMD marketing scheme of taking pre-orders without even telling us what we are buying and for how much.

    If nothing else, it will finally make AMD come out with honesty and simply release the spec/price of their new cards without frustrating their potential customers and making them turn to the green camp because of it.
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  • Einher - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    What do you mean fair better? AMD is doing just fine, and with the recently announced Never Settle bundle with the new R Cards, they will keep doing just fine. Plus with the ability to CossFire with the 7xxx series they have extended the life of the former generation.

    As for the "Marketing scheme" you speak of, all marketing is a scheme to try and get your money. As for turning to the Green side of things, you are already over there, most people just wait for the reveal and first impressions before buying.
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  • zeock9 - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Not according to pretty much all the benchmarks out there, no, they are not doing fine on their CPU department. In fact I blame AMD's lack of presence in that segment for Intel's blatant ignorance for enthusiasts with regards to their latest offerings and possibly beyond.

    Perhaps you are fine with being chained and dragged by your balls for a ride by AMD with their 290x marketing scheme, but when was the last time you saw anybody trying to sell you a stuff without telling you what you are actually buying or even what you are paying for?
    Not to mention their dubious attitude more focused on halting and hurting their competition's market share, rather than trying to boost their own with honest divulgence of their own products - it all looks very disgusting to me personally.

    And you maybe right in guessing that AMD might just succeed turning me over to the green camp if they continue with this trend.
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  • Einher - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Wow, the vitrol that you spew is quite amazing. Have you actually gone around and looked at any of the R series card reviews? The 280x is competing for price with the 760 and 770 in performance.

    They are doing quite well for their price points, as for the CPU segment, those are doing just fine with the CPU site of things with the last refresh. They stumbled with with Bulldozer, but the last couple are just fine. FX-8350 works quite well and overclocks amazingly to near or above 5.0 depending on the chip.

    You need to relax and stop taking things so personally, and in response to your question as to: "...when was the last time you saw anybody trying to sell you a stuff without telling you what you are actually buying or even what you are paying for?", my response would be any time i pre-order a game. I know basically what i am getting but not the minute details of the purchase.

    So just take a deep breath and try not to take the marketing strategy personally. If you don't want to get AMD or feel slighted, just go Blue and Green either way just go with what makes you happy.
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  • zeock9 - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Nothing I said has anything to do with the R series' performance figures, what I am upset about, if you weren't able to figure that out yourself already, is their questionable marketing strategy, if you can even call it that, because they are on a verge of backfiring on the likes of me, as with many others who aren't happy with AMD dragging their feet.

    As per CPU side of things, one of the only bright selling point of their products is their value, which means much less when it comes to enthusiasts market segment as I've specifically mentioned.

    Your ill logical comparison between that BF bundle preorder blunder to game preorders notwithstanding, you simply need to accept the fact that many people aren't happy with AMD's current shady marketing strategy, so much so that some of us are thinking about not buying their products out of spite.

    If you have any doubts as to how company's image and reputations play a big role in their future sales, growth, and/or customer loyalty, then I have nothing more to say to you.
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  • Einher - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    How is it questionable, the only card we don't know about is the R9 and details are leaking out every week including today. I can't think of a single thing that is making you freak out so badly, is it that AUS retailers are asking for a $200 deposit? Cause that's the only case i can find for that. Neither Newegg/NCIX/Amazon are accepting pre-orders.

    I just don't see how you can call their marketing strategy questionable. as for their image, most AMD users that i know are quite happy with their products for price and performance, not to mention their ability to nicely OC.
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  • zeock9 - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    Following are some of the things that bother me:

    1. Paper launching their product then deliberately delaying release of technical specs, even though their final production silicon has long been taped out with review samples already in hands of some reviewers, trying to prevent people from buying their competitors product.

    2. Advertising vague features to push sales without disclosing what it actually is or does, creating massive confusion and speculations that, in the end, no one will know for sure until well past this holiday season when it actually gets utilized.
    Do you know what Mantle really is? We sure don't.

    3. Deliberately withholding vital information, such as its price, when they are asking for your money for preorders.
    "Hey, pre-buy our product instead of our competitor's that are available now. You don't know what you are buying, and you won't know how much it costs, but hey, give us your money"
    Does that really sound like a valid and plausible sales pitch to you?

    Granted those are all, notable exception being the last point, marketing ploys that have been used before, but not to an extent that AMD is pulling on us now.
    They are keeping too much under the veil in a hope that it would throw nVidia off, and it's working to a certain degree, but they are also backfiring and frustrating too many of their potential customers by doing so, one of them being me of course.
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  • nashathedog - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I agree but he is right, AMD have taken the mickey by holding back all the info plus AMD post vids with titles like 290/290x specs and info and then give links to pages that only provide 270x/280x stats. It's like there purposely winding people up. I've been sat here everyday for weeks with my money holding off wanting to know whether it's worth my while waiting or whether to get the 780 now, and AMD won't give real info this close to the release, that's bullshit and now Nvidia hit out with this which is making it worse for AMD in my eyes as nvidia being so much more forward is preferable and may swing it there way for me. Reply
  • looncraz - Saturday, October 19, 2013 - link

    nVidia isn't giving out any details about the 780Ti, either... AMD and nVidia BOTH play the same "game."

    However, the reality is that retailers are under NDA - or don't have the merchandise yet - and then go live with pre-ordering without the details... it isn't like either company makes a habit of selling directly to the consumer...
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  • cuteboy17 - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    780ti might get one more smx unlock of totally 2496 cores! yay! Reply
  • Adamantine - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I predict the 780 Ti will be basically an upgraded 780 to a full 2688/224 SP/TU's and switch to the 7GHz GDDR5 that's on the 770, with everything else essentially the same. Perhaps a drop in clock speed to match the Titan's clock speed, but don't think it'll get an increase due to the TDP. Reply
  • tipoo - Friday, October 18, 2013 - link

    I'm going to guess this will be essentially Titans performance without all the compute cruft, As that's what they'd need to match R290. Reply
  • kedesh83 - Saturday, October 19, 2013 - link

    Damn, and i just purchased an EVGA 780 SC a week ago. Hopefully this comes out before my 30 day return policy is up. Reply
  • thesavvymage - Saturday, October 19, 2013 - link

    Itll be out sometime in november. You might as well just return your card towards the end of your window anyways, then wait out the rest of the time until this launches. If it launches at 650 like expected, then your 780 will either be bumped down in price and you save money, or you can spend the same and get this instead Reply
  • theMillen - Saturday, October 19, 2013 - link

    use the EVGA step up program... just pay the difference Reply
  • mac2j - Saturday, October 19, 2013 - link

    Nvidia has 2 choices here. We'll either see an OCed 780 at the $650ish price point that still loses to the 290X in a significant number of benches, or we'll see a non-compute Titan (maybe with a clock bump) that wins in about 2/3rds of benches but costs more like $800. No way Nvidia goes the Titan route and sells the card at $650 - just not how they roll these days. Reply
  • haukionkannel - Saturday, October 19, 2013 - link

    If 780ti is really Titan with cut down compute abilities it can be sold in higher price than 290X. This allso can mean that they get very good amount of perfect Titan class chips, so they can really sell these in yhe old 645$ price. More power for the same price is not a bad deal.
    It is very possible that they can take the gaming crown back with this or at least put 290X in thighter competition. If I would be managing Nvidia I would do just that. they are not too worried about if the 290X is better bang for the buck. They want to have the fastes CPU at any cost. It is teir way of doing things and nothing wrong in that.
    I am personally very interested in 290X full reviews and so is Nvidia. They will bump the GPU speed up so much that they are sure that 280ti is at least a little bit faster than 280X :-)
    It is called marketing. I allso can see a lot of OC versions of 290X to counter that and after that it is all about the price the consumers are ready to pay for these...
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  • wwwcd - Sunday, October 20, 2013 - link

    GTX 780 Ti.....
    Stream Processors(and any other parameters) .......???????????????????????????????
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  • tuklap - Monday, October 21, 2013 - link

    Until r9 290x is out and been matched head to head with the titan or 780 i wouldn't give a damn about the card. does it have a new technology included?? hmmm maybe not?? Reply
  • Nfarce - Monday, October 21, 2013 - link

    Well, I bought a 680 last year right after they came out in April. I waited, and waited, and waited for a price drop to get one for SLI and move up to a 1440p monitor. It never happened and then the 770 was released, which is $100 cheaper and I couldn't SLI it with the 680 (that STILL burns my butt). New 680s are still selling for more than the 770. WTF? Guess I'll sit out the 7 series and wait for the 8 series Maxwell next spring before upgrading to a QHD monitor and all new GPUs. Reply
  • MonkeyM - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link

    780 Ti = same specs and price of 780, EXCEPT: 208 TMU's, instead of 192. Stock clock raised from 863 to 902, and boost from 902 to 954. Effectively an extra 500 GFLOPS and 40 GTexels of performance. Thank me later. Reply
  • elajt_1 - Sunday, October 27, 2013 - link

    I thought a bit about the GTX780ti card from Nvidia and came to the following conclusion: GTX780ti = GK180. GK180 is as reported to have the same number of cuda cores as the full-featured version of the GK110. However, it doesn't have the same single and double precision performance of a K6000 (quadro card). I think Nvidia has taken GK110 , made some small adjustments in the architecture. So it has lower compute than for example Titan, but is better adapted for the consumer market (similiar to how GK104 is). To summarize : A circuit that is slightly smaller, easier and cheaper to manufacture, and will most likely have a higher base frequencey than GTX780 or Titan. They most likely coupled it with either 3 or 4GB of Vram, (3 for best matching the 384 -bit memory bus, but could also have gone for 4GB, for better 4K resolution support). Furthermore, Jen-Hsun said to the press that it's their fastest graphics card to date, and is pretty sure reviewers will agree when they get to test it on their own.
    Quoting Jen-Hsun :"I think we would dissapoint tremendously if we did not announce a new GPU". A new gpu , if it would have been a GK110 , it's not a new GPU. Ofcourse there is a possibility it just came out wrong. But as I see it , there is no risk this card won't beat the Titan, in graphics performance. Anyways, it's not to long until we really know.
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  • justniz - Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - link

    I hate this marketing bullshit that even Anandtech apparently falls for.

    This monitor isn't actually 240 Hz. Check the specs. The monitor has a maximum input frequency of 122Hz. Its not even capable of using 240Hz from your GPU even if you had one that could do it.The monitor is just doubling existing frames, which actually means nothing because each 2 monitor frames are from the same frame from the GPU, and as LCD panels don't suffer from lack of persistence between scans like CRTs do, you can't/won't even notice a difference as it s 2 frames of the same data.
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