Well, is it really double the performance of the Fermi cards ? Maybe the 32-bit floating point computation is twice as fast, but I believe most scientific research is done (and should be done) with 64 bit precision.
And what is the deal with the multimonitor scaling ? Couldn't that be achieved with any run of the mill consumer kepler card ? Reply
Tesla, not Quadro, cards are intended for scientific computing, where 64-bit processing is critical. They may even be slightly less expensive than equivalent Quadro cards, especially since there is no display connector on the latest (Kepler based) ones - they are not intended for visualization. They are also more reliable than normal display cards in terms of the trustworthiness of results.Reply
I think the main target for Quadros are professional Image-processors and related pieces of software. Think camera-assisted operations, high-resolution satellite surveillance or industrial level CAD.
32bit performance is good enough for any kind of image post-processing, when even the most expensive image sensors only come with a 16bit ADC. Its usually also good enough for any kind of physical/thermal simulation , e.g. virtual crash tests for cars, and the visualisations that go with it.Reply
For a site so focused around games few people seem to know how that content is created. These are heavily used by CAD & 3D Apps, the prices are atrocious however for those who aren't in an industry situation who need these cards... such as art students seeking to enter into the special effects, gaming, movie, tv industries... and for hobbyists who use the same programs for fun and art.
I've given up on notebooks providing an acceptable level of graphics power at an acceptable price and noise. To me a Thinkpad with Intel graphics + a desktop computer is the way to go.Reply
These are already on the Thinkpad lineup, they have a mobile K2000M, K3000M, etc. series. You just have the wrong Thinkpad... T-series tops out at NVS series as does the Dell latitude series.... if you want the K Quadros, in a mobile setup you need workstation grade, ie: the W-series... so the Thinkpad W530 for example, has these cards, as well as the Dell Precision line, of course it costs more.Reply
...so I bought a FirePro W7000 from AMD. The card is awesome, and nothing I'm reading here has me regretting that decision. Plus I need Gen3 support because I am moving lots of data around, so it looks like a way better option.Reply
The 100/110 parts have always been the only high FP64 chips in nVidia's lineup. I'm surprised they aren't offering any Quadros with them yet. The chips huge size should provide them with lots of dies with several faulty core blocks; which nVidia's always used for most of their mid/upper range quadro cards in the past.Reply
The Geforce Titan is less expensive than the Quadro K4000. If someone actually needs a strong FP64 GPU but can't afford the Titan, maybe a Fermi card will work.Reply
Despite being new ASICs, I'm having a hard time understanding what is compelling about these products. I was looking for something more competitive. Based on link below, it looks like the FirePro cards offer more performance...
As far as I remember, any comparison test between Quadro and FirePro over the last 3 years has shown a strong dependence on the specific software used for the benchmark, even more so than with consumer cards and games. So the FirePro is faster by 100% or 200% for some tasks, and slower by 80% for others.Reply
My interest is SolidWorks specific, where I am seeing great FirePro performance (I have one, and use the application), and the video shows it too. Honestly, I can't speak to other applications, but if it is this much better in SolidWorks, I would expect similar advantages on other CAD applications using OpenGL (or not 80% less), but I'm not in a position to confirm that (with a card, or the applications).
Regardless, I thought it was nice to see real application performance, vs. viewperf numbers, which seem to have no relationship with the application itself.Reply
Yeah, just like if you only want to do bitcoin, although if your evidence is a single youtube video, I'd say stay ignorant and happy. Just make certain you stay convinced because amd will be stomped again. When it disappears soon, your "investment" support goes with it.Reply
Well, he did mention that he is using SolidWorks, a professional application, which is what these products are optimized for. So I'm guessing that this is not one of those "stay ignorant and happy" situations. He's not a gamer. Maybe you are on the wrong thread and should go stomp elsewhere. :)Reply
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nevertell - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
Well, is it really double the performance of the Fermi cards ? Maybe the 32-bit floating point computation is twice as fast, but I believe most scientific research is done (and should be done) with 64 bit precision.And what is the deal with the multimonitor scaling ? Couldn't that be achieved with any run of the mill consumer kepler card ? Reply
Ktracho - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
Tesla, not Quadro, cards are intended for scientific computing, where 64-bit processing is critical. They may even be slightly less expensive than equivalent Quadro cards, especially since there is no display connector on the latest (Kepler based) ones - they are not intended for visualization. They are also more reliable than normal display cards in terms of the trustworthiness of results. ReplyShieTar - Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - link
I think the main target for Quadros are professional Image-processors and related pieces of software. Think camera-assisted operations, high-resolution satellite surveillance or industrial level CAD.32bit performance is good enough for any kind of image post-processing, when even the most expensive image sensors only come with a 16bit ADC. Its usually also good enough for any kind of physical/thermal simulation , e.g. virtual crash tests for cars, and the visualisations that go with it. Reply
colonelpepper - Friday, March 08, 2013 - link
For a site so focused around games few people seem to know how that content is created. These are heavily used by CAD & 3D Apps, the prices are atrocious however for those who aren't in an industry situation who need these cards... such as art students seeking to enter into the special effects, gaming, movie, tv industries... and for hobbyists who use the same programs for fun and art.Maya
3DS Max
Mudbox
Vue (Eon Software)
Autocad
Aftereffects
Avid Software
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tobiholz - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
I hope Lenovo will adopt these for there new Thinkpad lineup ... the NVS5400m on the current t430 is just not fast enough :( Replygeekfool - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
I've given up on notebooks providing an acceptable level of graphics power at an acceptable price and noise. To me a Thinkpad with Intel graphics + a desktop computer is the way to go. Replytobiholz - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
I'm using a desktop with Intel HD3000 Graphics so even an old NVS5400m is an upgrade...But as I need the mobility I don't want to pay over 1.3k and then have no graphicpower ... epecially as it will be my main machine ;) Reply
MojaMonkey - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
I'm using a Lenovo S430 with an external thunderbolt graphics card. It's an external nVidia GTX 680.It's an option if you need a laptop on the go and also need desktop graphics when at home. Reply
ssnova - Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - link
These are already on the Thinkpad lineup, they have a mobile K2000M, K3000M, etc. series. You just have the wrong Thinkpad... T-series tops out at NVS series as does the Dell latitude series.... if you want the K Quadros, in a mobile setup you need workstation grade, ie: the W-series... so the Thinkpad W530 for example, has these cards, as well as the Dell Precision line, of course it costs more. Replythampter14 - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
...so I bought a FirePro W7000 from AMD. The card is awesome, and nothing I'm reading here has me regretting that decision. Plus I need Gen3 support because I am moving lots of data around, so it looks like a way better option. Replymayankleoboy1 - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
What is this feature ? I dont reeber reading this before. ReplyDuckieHo - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
Other than the GK110, NVIDIA does not plan to have any lower priced, strong FP64 GPUs this round? ReplyDanNeely - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
The 100/110 parts have always been the only high FP64 chips in nVidia's lineup. I'm surprised they aren't offering any Quadros with them yet. The chips huge size should provide them with lots of dies with several faulty core blocks; which nVidia's always used for most of their mid/upper range quadro cards in the past. ReplyKtracho - Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - link
The Geforce Titan is less expensive than the Quadro K4000. If someone actually needs a strong FP64 GPU but can't afford the Titan, maybe a Fermi card will work. Replystunted1 - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - link
Despite being new ASICs, I'm having a hard time understanding what is compelling about these products. I was looking for something more competitive. Based on link below, it looks like the FirePro cards offer more performance...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhjCEDmU9jA Reply
ShieTar - Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - link
As far as I remember, any comparison test between Quadro and FirePro over the last 3 years has shown a strong dependence on the specific software used for the benchmark, even more so than with consumer cards and games. So the FirePro is faster by 100% or 200% for some tasks, and slower by 80% for others. Replystunted1 - Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - link
My interest is SolidWorks specific, where I am seeing great FirePro performance (I have one, and use the application), and the video shows it too. Honestly, I can't speak to other applications, but if it is this much better in SolidWorks, I would expect similar advantages on other CAD applications using OpenGL (or not 80% less), but I'm not in a position to confirm that (with a card, or the applications).Regardless, I thought it was nice to see real application performance, vs. viewperf numbers, which seem to have no relationship with the application itself. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - link
LOL - Yes amd fanboy, the card you bought is the best at everything. Now go bow to Abu Dhabi. ReplyCeriseCogburn - Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - link
Yeah, just like if you only want to do bitcoin, although if your evidence is a single youtube video, I'd say stay ignorant and happy.Just make certain you stay convinced because amd will be stomped again.
When it disappears soon, your "investment" support goes with it. Reply
thampter14 - Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - link
Well, he did mention that he is using SolidWorks, a professional application, which is what these products are optimized for. So I'm guessing that this is not one of those "stay ignorant and happy" situations. He's not a gamer. Maybe you are on the wrong thread and should go stomp elsewhere. :) Reply