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  • Seawolf2 - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    In the last few weeks I have started to worry about the future of AMD. The new Opterons were released about two months ago, and except for the per-release publicity, little has been published in the internet about these processors. For the many of us (small business people) that do not need to run the Bank of America client database they look like a good value proposition, but please allow independent testers like Anand to test them and provide hard data, in which we could base our purchase decisions. Reply
  • JonnyDough - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    Only in the last few weeks? Smart investors dumped their stock over a year ago. That's why it went from $8 a share down to $2 a share...

    I guess you don't get on tech sites much huh?
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  • Beenthere - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    Stock price has nothing to do with product quality. The 6300 series Opterons have been well received and are an excellent value and low power consumption design. For the past 40 years...armchair exSPERTS have been proclaiming that AMD is going out of business.

    I guess you don't read much about PC tech, huh?

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6430/amd-launches-op...
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  • cknobman - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    Yeah and smart investors (like myself) picked up a sh!tload of AMD stock when it was going for $2 as share.

    Your misguided if you think AMD is going under or if you wont see their stock climb back up. I think it will be around $4 by years end.
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  • wumpus - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    I seriously wonder how smart an invester had to be to not be aware of any better stock than AMD in the last 10 years or so. Since at least the release of Athlon, the best buys were AMD's chips but Intel's stock (the bloated prices of Intel's chips help cause both to be true).

    I can't really say that about AMD's chips anymore. I hope they (or even just the graphics side) can stay in business.
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  • CeriseCogburn - Monday, January 14, 2013 - link

    We WON'T see this kind of endless pictures advertisement for ANY OTHER COMPANY at all here for the entire 2013 CES event.

    It just won't happen.

    This is the big time AMD love. Enjoy it amd fanboys, you are many.

    A thousand breaks here and you still whine and lie.

    It is incredible.
    Reply
  • jwcalla - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    They are certainly all-in on Windows platforms. Reply
  • Alexvrb - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    Yeah, if I didn't know better I'd say these were x86 chips intended to go toe-to-toe with other x86 chips! Oh wait... Reply
  • xcomvic - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    I know is PC Fanboys don't care much but I was kinda hoping Nvidia would provide the GPU for the Xbox Loop since PS4 was getting AMD. For competition ya know? Reply
  • staticx57 - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    Competition is great, but AMD needs the money from MS more than Nvidia does. I hope it helps them say relevant. Reply
  • tipoo - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    I suspect AMD is easier to work with on the console front. Microsoft moved away from them because they wouldn't licence out the whole chip like AMD would, allowing them to shrink it and modify it as needed. I'm not sure if Nvidia still does that. Reply
  • piroroadkill - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    Xbox Infinity has been rumoured to have an AMD GPU for a very long time.
    Also, backwards compat - they are probably using the old GPU for that, so you may as well work with AMD for that hardware while you're at it.
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  • Rontalk - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    That is good, consoles will get decent CPU cores and excellent graphics. AMD deserves to get some market share, which also good for us, because a strong competition is always welcome! Of course not for Nvidia, ha, ha, ha. Reply
  • CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link

    Yet amd will make crap console junk, and then the crappy games that are crappy because amd cheap junk is powering them, will be ported over the desktop PC world, and screw us all !

    Thank you amd for being so pathetic that you get a pity **** console job to save your *** !

    LOL - It's funny and too true - thanks for screwing everyone again amd, not just the console world, but desktop gaming as well !

    I love saving losers, it makes the world so much better... N O T
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  • tipoo - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    So the Radeon 8000 series is out...There was very little hoopla over it. Did they even mention it? From a glimpse I can maybe tell why, it looks the exact same as the 7k series?

    http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/oe...
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  • Ryan Smith - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6570/amds-annual-gpu... Reply
  • JonnyDough - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    To answer it without the link from author Ryan Smith (hey that's my name too, except for the Smith part!) -

    It's a rebadge of the HD 7000 series. Same cards, new number. No, what you're feeling is not exclusive to only you. We all feel gyped.
    Reply
  • Lolimaster - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    For hardware designs you don't built them base on "competition" but on what's best. You'll never want to kill compatibility with past games unless there's no other choice. Reply
  • naylamp - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    So Nvidia is unveiling project shield, new Tegra4 and AMD is just presenting new laptops? I don't see a bright future for AMD. Reply
  • Principle - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    Are you completely out of touch? Did you eat paint chips as a child? Lets see, AMD released a tablet chip that likely beats Tegra 4, AMD released mobile and desktop GPUs that dominate Nvidia's, low power great selling APUs that compete with Intel core i3s, and a 20-40% increase in Trinity performance for high performance APUs is a huge jump that will take it over Core i5s. This is before releasing a lower feature size and revamped Steamroller design later in the year, whic his another 40% performance increase. So not sure what the heck you were reading. Reply
  • JonnyDough - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    That's fantastic.

    Meanwhile, Intel is mass producing 22nm chips with 14nm on the horizon. Still want to discuss.

    P.S. Try to sound like less of an AMD Fanboy.

    P.P.S. I own several AMD systems, except for my most recent and most powerful system - a Core i5 Ivy. I wonder why?
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  • JonnyDough - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    Ugh. We really need the edit button back. I've been saying this for the last...year (along with a lot of other people!).

    I meant "still want to discuss power saving?"

    Oh, and AMD is not "dominating" NV's desktop/mobile chips. What planet do you live on?
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  • CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link

    He lives on planet DAMD.

    DAMD stupid
    DAMD liar
    DAMD fanboy

    Grade ? D-AMD
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  • rocketbuddha - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    Man! Intel has been in 22nm for 18 mths now.

    Difficult to believe that they are able to get a 20-40% increase over Trinity and better battery life. Do they have a RCM 2.0 design or what. Looks like Richland provides a bigger update over Trinity that Trinity over Llano. And this too for a design that was never officially in the books till 2H2012? Too good to be true!
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  • duploxxx - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    18 months??? a new year doesn't mean that you need to calculate additional 12 months.. Few ivy bridge laptop cpu released 23apr2012 so that is 8months and few weeks.

    And Intel owns its fabs, amd has to work with other companies and wait for there node to be ready.

    everyone is always bashing against amd, what many people don't see is that intel is very aggressive pushing there portfolio to OEM hw providers in a way to reduce AMD platforms even demanding what an OEM can and can't with there new Intel HW. while they might have the right solutions they are also always more expensive. time will arrive that this will affect us consumers because of lack portfolio choice and higher prices. but hey who cares they all think they need an i7 for daily work or reviewers always need to test the most high-end cpu as if all the ones below have the same advantage.... go with the flow, typical consumers like buying an ipad or iphone.
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  • Spunjji - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    You pretty much said it here. Intel have the technology advantage but their product strategies are offensive. Reply
  • CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link

    LOL - there's the big chip on the shoulder that blows from your little piehole.

    Now I know.
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  • Rontalk - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    And what the benefit of 22nm? A Core i5 Ivy Bridge is more power hungry as an AMD A10 Trinity chip, while you get quad core CPU from AMD and twice as GPU performance! Reply
  • silverblue - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link

    Yes, but far lower CPU performance, if truth be told. Reply
  • Rontalk - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link

    No, Quad Core AMD Trinity as fast as Dual Core Core i5! Reply
  • Assimilator87 - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    The wait for Kaveri is driving me crazy. I can't believe Richland is on 32nm, which probably means it's gonna be a huge disappointment, and the desktop/server lineup is just in limbo while the world passes by them. Reply
  • Principle - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    Richland at 20-40% performance increase a disappointment????? Are you crazy? Thats on the same 32nm process as Trinity, so quite amazing, what Trinity was supposed to be to begin with. Just confirming a 2013 release for Kaveri is great news. You see, now all of the Trinity laptops can just be refreshed FAST in 1H13 with Richland APUs and 8000M GPUs, no design changes for OEMs. Thats huge for volume shipments fast. And everyone who already got a Trinity can upgrade their laptops with Richlands for what they wanted to begin with.

    I am waiting for Kaveri though. Not stressing for new laptop yet anyway. I have a recent Vishera dekstop with an HD7850 GPU waiting for an HD8870 xfire mate in 2013, and Steamroller FX CPU in 2014.

    My GF might be getting a Quad core Kabini touch notebook very soon though.
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  • silverblue - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    I'm a little confused with these names. Wasn't Richland supposedly the original codename for the low-end Piledriver APUs? Reply
  • Rontalk - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    Richland is Trinity 2.0 Reply
  • silverblue - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    I know, but it looks like a recycled codename, that's all. :) Reply
  • mayankleoboy1 - Monday, January 07, 2013 - link

    "The really exciting stuff will be what happens around 2015"

    WTF, AMD ?
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  • kyuu - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    That's Anand talking. I don't see what's not exciting about AMD's 2013 line-up. Temash is much more exciting than Tegra 4 or Intel's tablet chips, IMO.

    Hell, I can't wait to see some reviews of that Vizio tablet using Z-60. If the battery life is good and the price is right, that's the tablet I want (until Temash arrives).
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  • Spunjji - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    Agreed. I won't care about Intel in tablets until they stop peddling awful GPU solutions. People keep singing the praises of their 7W chips (partially deservedly so) with only the briefest mentions of what they'll have to do to the graphics hardware portion to hit that TDP. It will not be pretty.

    Tegra 4, meanwhile, is benefiting from the early PR start that nVidia always give their SOCs. We'll have to wait to see if it actually hits theoretical performance or not. Tegra 3 is hardly a dog, but it is one of the worst performing quad-core A9 SOCs of its generation.
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  • CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link

    " Tegra 3 is hardly a dog, but it is one of the worst performing quad-core A9 SOCs of its generation. "

    If it's one of the worst a9 quads, how is it not a dog ?

    Please do tell about the other a9 quads that spank it... please prove it to me... I can hardly wait.... forever
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  • Beenthere - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    These substantial performance improvements in low power APUs bodes well for AMD's sales and future products such as Kaveri and Steamroller desktop CPUs. If AMD releases Kaveri in Q4 of '13, then the Steamroller CPU may launch in Q1 of '14?

    As far as surround display, I don't have any interest but if that's a market segment that AMD can profit from, great, go for it.
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  • yannigr - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    AMD's news are just OK. Nothing exciting. I guess they do as much as they can we no money. Marketing on the other hand was never a strong card for AMD. Give them 10 billion dollars and they will fail again in marketing. Someone should had explain them why you don't take your home cinema equipment to do a presentation at CES but, nevermind...

    Anyway, waiting for Temash. This is the most interesting hardware from AMD because no one trusts an Intel gpu no matter where he/she finds it, in a desktop, in a laptop or now in a tablet.
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  • JPForums - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    Anyway, waiting for Temash. This is the most interesting hardware from AMD because no one trusts an Intel gpu no matter where he/she finds it, in a desktop, in a laptop or now in a tablet.


    Just to be clear, Intel's tablet GPU isn't Intel designed. It is an Imagination Technologies design. You know, the same company behind the graphics on many Android phones, tablets, and the entire Apple phone/tablet stack. The particular design they are using is slow, but just as proven as any of their other chips. I don't see a trust issue here.

    That said, I'm also eagerly awaiting Temash. Tile based deferred rendering will only go so far. In my opinion, Immediate Mode Rendering will succeed it in the tablet space when geometries get sufficiently complex. nVidia is ahead of the curve on this one and pushing the market towards IMR. Qualcomm seems to understand this transitory period the best as their chips can render both Tile and IMR modes. Even ARM only defers parts of the pipe while using IMR on the rest. I have to wonder how Imagination will adapt when the market starts the major shift. ATi will likely pursue the IMR path, and by the time they hit market, the transition will probably already be in swing. This will allow them to take full advantage of their architecture immediately, taking advantage of the diligent work nVidia had put in to get developers on board. Further, unlike Tegra, they have the additional advantage of supporting a plethora of legacy x86 games that are already designed for GPU that run in IMR mode. I have no doubt they can keep GPU idle and near idle power extremely low either. I just hope the CPU portion is fast enough to make productivity applications feel less like a netbook and more like a laptop while keeping power low enough to actually use as a tablet.
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  • JPForums - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    ... and by the time they hit market, the transition will probably already be in swing.

    Err, scratch that. For some reason I had it in my head that these would launch Q42013/Q12014. That said, there are still the legacy x86 titles, the fact that there isn't an overwhelming abundance of tile based deferred rendering games in the Win8/RT market place, and the fact that most(all?) WinRT devices sport an IMR capable chip. It'll be interesting to see where things pan out.
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  • Spunjji - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    "Just to be clear, Intel's tablet GPU isn't Intel designed. It is an Imagination Technologies design. You know, the same company behind the graphics on many Android phones, tablets, and the entire Apple phone/tablet stack. The particular design they are using is slow, but just as proven as any of their other chips. I don't see a trust issue here."

    The trust issue comes from the software side of things. GMA500 / 600 / etc. have terrible performance and application compatibility that was never repaired. Unfortunately I haven't yet used a single Intel solution that didn't suffer from some software related drawback or another.
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  • CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link

    It's not a gaming chip.
    What was incompatible that should have been compatible ?
    What software related drawbacks ?
    How about some real info?
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  • Ananke - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    After this presentation, I am pretty sure AMD will not make it to 2015.
    I am no particular brand fan, I actually own mostly their products, but from a professional point, I see no light for them. They will simply not make enough money to survive until some breakthrough happens. The ARM tide will kill them.
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  • Rontalk - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    Actually AMD is coming up. They have the most efficient APUs for Ultramobile laptops (Trinity, Richland, Kaveri), for Tablets (Hondo, Temash), they will rule the Clouds and Consoles, such as PS4 and XBoX 720. Reply
  • Ananke - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    Industry expects growth in low energy data servers, small/home data servers, cheap tablets, cheap smart phones.
    Ultramobile laptops, expensive tablets and consoles are not expected to have growth in revenue anytime soon - hence, unless AMD doubles or triples its market there, will just not make enough revenue.
    I agree, they have very refined products now, just saying the marketing environment they enter is too tough.
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  • artk2219 - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link

    Ah but did you forget the purchase of Seamicro a little while ago? They're already in those low power data center and home server markets, they're developing future products for them right now, tames and hondo will be in those cheap tablets, but your right about the smart phone market, I guess you can be everywhere at once. At least not when they are as small as they are, honestly things wouldn't be so bad for them if Intel weren't so ready and able to bulldoze everyone else into compliance with their standards. Reply
  • CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link

    AMD fanboys destroyed amd. With fanboys like that, no enemies are needed.
    They constantly begged for lower priced cheapo crap.

    They constantly hung on until nVidia or Intel drove the amd price on GPU or CPU's into the poorboy dirt then robbed AMD with a discount, all the while hating on Intel and nVida.

    They screamed for open source and attacked nVidia instead of demanding AMD MAN UP in the software and drivers area.

    They constantly lied online, in all forums, and were raging little beasts, instead of directing the faults of amd gpu's and cpu's AT AMD, everyone else was attacked while they coddled their crap product and gave it every break known to man and aliens.

    Thus - amd is near death. It's PR produced fanboys have just about destroyed it.
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  • brucethemoose - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link

    WHY didn't you write anything about the U38N?!?

    An undervoltable A10 with decent graphics, a decent battery, a 1080p IPS touchscreen with a backlit keyboard, a 128gb SSD AND an HDD, all wrapped up in a Zenbook chassis? I haven't been so excited over a computer since I put my desktop together a long while back, but I can't seem to dig up much info about it.

    Still throwing money at the screen... Did they say anything about it?
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  • Spunjji - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    Argh! Just looked at a review for that and it was great right until I got to the RAM... 2GB soldered to the board? Really, Asus? Oh well, it's not like the A10 needs the memory bandwidth of dual-channel RAM or anything... oh wait. *facepalm* Reply
  • Rontalk - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    Yeah, that is true. Asus screwed up that laptop with the 2GB soldered RAM. It only could worse with Single-Channel Memory. Reply
  • brucethemoose - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    According to the site, some models could come with 4gb of 1600mhz onboard memory. Reply
  • brucethemoose - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    Along with an additional DIMM slot. Reply
  • R3MF - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - link

    "Richland looks like Trinity with a software update"

    What, no GCN?

    I had presumed that Richland was another 32nm piledriver APU, only with GCN.

    Whereas Kaveri is steamroller + GCN with all the jazzy HSA integration between the two.

    I suppose it makes sense, as GCN is built for 28nm, but it is disappointing.

    It also ties in with the rumour that the steambox uses a 384 shader GPU...........
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  • silverblue - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link

    The comparison between Kabini and Brazos is interesting. Kabini will feature 2 to 4 Jaguar cores, so let's for argument's sake read that as 4. The Jaguar core also features a massive increase in support for ISAs as well as an improved FPU, despite being far smaller than Brazos (3.1mm2 compared to 4.9mm2).

    If we're only talking a 50% boost in general, doesn't that strike anybody else as a little worrisome, assuming we're talking 4-core Kabini A6 vs. a 2-core Zacate?

    Has it been confirmed how many memory channels Kabini will have access to? The support appears to have gone up to 1866MHz which still might indicate memory constraints especially considering how much higher clocked the GPU is compared to the first gen APUs.
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