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  • A5 - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    My two work monitors have a combined bezel of a little over an inch - it's obviously not hard to get used to, but thinner bezels are always welcome in this use case. Reply
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    The only advantage i see for fat bezels is that overlapping them can hide the fact that your desktop is warped, or different segments of it aren't co-planar with each other, and/or that the portrait/landscape detents on rotating stands aren't perfectly square and prevent 1 or 2 degree offsets from them. Warping is probably less an issue with cheap desks now with multiple LCDs weighing less than a single CRT and distributing the load more widely. Non-coplanar work surfaces are a major issue with cubical type desks cantilevered from the walls; although corner style desks can bring the same headache to home setups as well. The detent issue has prevented me from getting perfectly aligned multipanel layouts using Dell, HP, and NEC monitors. Reply
  • Mr Perfect - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    This could be nice for a triple monitor gaming setup, but that would require Display Port with most video cards. Reply
  • sheltem - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Not necessarily. You could use an active displayport adapter. Reply
  • kwrzesien - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    You probably want two video cards to drive that anyway. Reply
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    nVidia's higher end Kepler GPUs will run 3 VGA/DVI/HDMI displays off of a single card. The 2 legacy output limitation/card limitation is only an ATI limitation now. Reply
  • Flunk - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Actually ATi cards supported this first, even some last-gen cards support 3 monitors. Reply
  • martyrant - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Eyefinity was introduced in the Radeon HD 5000 series, I believe. It might have been on their flagship 4xxx, but I don't remember--I know my 4850 did not support it. Reply
  • dananski - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Yes Eyefinity was introduced in the 5000 series. The trouble is you can only use up to two non-DP monitors with ATI Radeon cards. They only have two clock signals for the displays blah blah google it.

    Having tried out Crossfire recently I don't think it will help as you need to disable it in order to get output direct from the 2nd card.

    It kinda seems like AOC are missing a large opportunity by failing to give these monitors DP - no one in the ATI camp are going to be able to use more than two without active (read expensive) converters, yet the screens are obviously designed to be tightly packed and used with Eyefinity :S

    I think lack of DP and the landscape-only stand has put me off this one, but I'll be very interested in any variations on this theme as it clearly has a lot of good points too.
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  • martyrant - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    go back and re-read the article...this was a bunch of hoo-haw because of misinformation...the title shouldn't even read "virtually"...it is "borderless appearance" when the monitor has no signal to it (OFF).

    So...this whole little blip about this monitor was pointless besides getting revenue for anandtech (not that I mind, I love this site).

    It has NO VESA MOUNTS, only legacy/HDMI inputs (no DVI or DP is a huge, huge kick in the face--I can see leaving DP out on a monitor this cheap, but DVI should be mandatory (as it has been for YEARS))....useless for multi-monitor setups compared to other options.
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  • cimerrone - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link

    Hi, at least from the user manual (whose link) is provided in the above article says DVI is supported. Reply
  • p05esto - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    I really like the look of that. I hope more monitors get this slim and sleek (and IPS and 27" please). Reply
  • creed3020 - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    As a dual monitor at work and home I can certainly appreciate this. The setup at work has 4:3 monitors and the bezel is 1cm for a combination of 2cm inbetween the two 19.2" units. I'd love to move to widescreen and these would work but I need DVI!

    At home I have two 20" widescreen, one being in portrait position so this new guy doesn't work out as a replacement for that unit but sure would be a nice drop-in replacement for my landscape oriented Acer that is the main stage.

    Time to see if others follows suite, hopefully this is a the beginning of a new trend in 2013.
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  • JNo - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    The Gallery doesn't seem to be working for me (thumbnails but no pics)

    Given that this seems good for multi monitor it's bizarre that there are no VESA mounts as they'd look super good on custom multi monitor stands...
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  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Fixed gallery -- I'll have to email our IT guy about this; it seems like any spaces in the image names caused issues. Reply
  • JuneBugKiller - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    The gallery didn't work for me in Opera but worked in Internet Explorer 9. Reply
  • JonnyDough - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    I would buy one right now if they had a higher refresh rate and lower response time. Reply
  • A5 - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Uh, not happening on a IPS monitor for $190. Maybe $490... Reply
  • UpSpin - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    I doubt that the panel is edge to edge with the frame. I doubt that the marketing images are real ones.

    They're probably misleading, just as the pictures of early 'borderless' monitors.

    If you take a look at the specifications, and let Google translate it for you, you'll find:
    Dimensions (monitor) 531.4 × 394 × 120.6
    Viewing area 509.2 (H) x 286.4 (V) mm

    So the panel has a width of 509mm, the monitor a width of 531mm, this gives us a boder of 1cm on each side.

    The term boderless only means: The front glass is till the edge. (The same other 'borderless' monitors use the term borderless)

    The annoying part: the display renders make the customer believe that the panel is till the border, which is wrong!
    A borderless panel is not easy to build, and probably wouldn't cost as little as $189.
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  • nathanddrews - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Yeah, it's getting annoying. The worst part is when reputable tech sites headline it with the marketing title instead of dispelling the myth up front. The title could have easily read "AOC's i2367fh: Thin, Near Borderless, and IPS"

    To me, the best news here is a very thin IPS 1080p monitor that looks fantastic. However, I'm still in love with my FW900, so it's going to take one hell of an LCD to make me switch as my primary.

    Wake me up when we have native 120Hz 4K, please. ;-)
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  • UpSpin - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    As you said, the worst part is that reputable tech sites post false facts.

    AOC also never said that the panel is borderless. If you look closely they always say ' borderless appearance'.

    But all in all, those marketing images are highly misleading (maybe because the person responisble for the advertising misunderstood the term 'borderless appearance', too) and probably worth a lawsuit.

    AT should be ashamed of this article, cheap misleading advertising.
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  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    If it is indeed false advertising and they just have edge-to-edge glass, then I really screwed up. Sadly, I can't find any real pictures of the display. What the press release says is: "The 23-inch IPS display has a 2mm bezel that gives the monitor a sleek, borderless appearance." 2mm is virtually borderless, but if it's 2mm to the glass and then and inch to the actual visible pixels... well, don't buy it! I'm just happy to see IPS and a nice looking industrial design in a display that costs under $200. Reply
  • jtemplin - Saturday, December 01, 2012 - link

    I'm probably just late to the game (edits to the article), but I don't find the borderless claim from AT misleading as the headline has borderless in quote marks as if to lampoon. (as another poster mentioned but folks seemed to ignore) Reply
  • jackstar7 - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    If they figured out all this but could make it 120Hz, I'd be cheering. Reply
  • cosmotic - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Higher resolution please! Reply
  • fnord123 - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Yes, for the love of god, monitor manufacturers PLEASE GET US OUT OF THE 1080P GHETTO. Pixels get pretty big on a 23" with only 1080P, really big with 24", and stupidly ridiculously big on anything > 24" with only 1080P.

    Please make a monitor like this with at least 1200 vertical pixels and I will gladly pay $250 or $300 each and buy two.
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  • BrazenRain - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    I would definitely buy it if they cut out the gray bar for the initial 'picture floating in space' effect Reply
  • martyrant - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    I don't see any holes for mounting this thing in any of the pictures. Not worth snagging on that point alone, but the fact that it's only video ports are VGA (legacy, don't care) and 2xHDMI (great, but 1 is fine for a monitor). The complete lack of DVI makes this not appealing to the multi-monitor users of the world. I have run 3 monitors since Eyefinity's inception (am currently on team green, though) and have been doing so with 2xDVI + 1 Active DisplayPort to DVI adapter.

    You would have to buy DVI or DP to HDMI adapters for this to work...and you'd need at least 2 of them.

    Great to see borderless IPS at a cheap price, but the designers here obviously have no clue what is going on when it comes to I/O or where people actually put their "multi monitor" setups.
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  • aliasfox - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    - I like the aesthetics of this monitor, but why are the HDMI ports positioned horizontally? I'd prefer them facing down so it's easier to push the monitor up against a wall without putting extra stress on the cable (or getting right angle cables).

    - Is this an eIPS or an sIPS display? eIPS is much nicer than most TNs and sIPS isn't always noticeable over eIPS, but it would be nice to know. Related (I guess?) would be whether this is a 6 or 8bit panel.

    - Missing DisplayPort or DVI.

    I'm considering getting a NEC 23" 1080p display to mirror my HDTV when I'm not sitting in front of it, this would be a nice consideration as well. But as I'd want to use this for a little bit of photo work too, I think it would be great to have an accurate monitor, hence the NEC. Also, with DVI, DP, and VGA connections, I can at least natively plug all of my computers in (an old Power Mac, a Mac Pro, and an HP EliteBook). Too bad the NEC's $100 more and not friendly aesthetics-wise.
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  • DanNeely - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    The horizontal ports were probably engineers false optimizing by making swapping cables by reaching behind the screen as easy as possible. The panel itself is almost certainly eIPS; the price is too low for anything else. Reply
  • lmclaurin - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link


    http://www.aocmonitorap.com/root/kr/product_displa...
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  • ajp_anton - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Would it be possible to remove the plastic casing to shave off another 1mm per edge? Of course ignoring warranty and be careful not to short circuit anything...
    With 2mm edges we still get 4mm gaps between monitors. Removing 1mm of plastic, assuming it's that thick, we're down to 2mm gaps.
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  • kwrzesien - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    So you can finally do a six monitor EyeFinity setup if the top three panels are mounted upside-down? Reply
  • mxnerd - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    http://t17.techbang.com/topics/17294-new-equipment...

    I think it's not real borderless. It's just hiding the border behind the glass.
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  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    Thanks -- updating the content with your link! Reply
  • martyrant - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    yeah...this was a bunch of hype for nothing. more research next time please! Reply
  • martyrant - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    You should use "Borderless Appearance" just as their marketing apparently said--because this monitor only appears borderless when it is OFF, with no display...

    It is in no way "virtually borderless"
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  • LauRoman - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    AOC why u no vesa if borderless? Reply
  • Drizzt321 - Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - link

    I'm with you on that. Even though it's not true borderless, where's my VESA mount?! It still looks great from the photos, I'd probably go out and buy 2, maybe 3 of these given how inexpensive they are. Although at 1080p it's pushing it on a 32", but I'd still probably do it. Reply
  • bigboxes - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    No VESA is a deal killer for me. Reply
  • Peanutsrevenge - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - link

    I'm sure there's a demand for thin bezels for multi-monitor users, I know 3 people (out of my small group of people) that use/want multi monitors for both gaming and business use.

    The bezels get in the way,just a shame this is another 'fake' one like the LG IPS7.

    Come on manufacturers sort your selves out, I;m sure they'll be a nice high profit margin for a year or two.
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  • Pantsu - Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - link

    As people have already mentioned, the display area doesn't reach the physical bezel. The AOC uses the same LG panel as the IPS237L. Both companies are misleading customers by showing renders with no bezels, even though they never directly state that there actually is a 1 cm bezel around the display area.

    It's still a decently thin bezel though, and would probably be an ok display for a landscape eyefinity setup. It's just disappointing how these companies still haven't figured out how to make a proper eyefinity monitor with vesa support and thin bezels. Only Samsung has it's old ridiculously expensive eyefinity sets that were released when Eyefinity was first released. All the new thin bezel monitors are crappy "design" monitors with unusable stands.
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  • Spoelie - Thursday, November 22, 2012 - link

    Still no monitors available with the right combination of features
    * 100hz
    * Static contrast ratio of at least 1000:1 over all brightness levels
    * IPS/PLS
    * Very low input lag
    * Thin bezels
    * Factory calibrated (if possible, but no deal breaker)

    They can ditch the inbuilt scaler, usb hub, speakers or whatever - don't use don't care. I would gladly pay more than double for such a monitor.

    Right now one can only buy a monitor with any 1 or 2 (but not all) of the above.

    Also, can't find any article that compares inputs for input lag (does vga vs hdmi vs displayport make a difference?).
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  • finbarqs - Friday, December 07, 2012 - link

    in the *update* that jarred posts shows the box of the advertisement indicating it's "edge to edge" but yet during the testing it isn't... talk about false advertising... Reply

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