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  • creed3020 - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Thanks for much for putting up the the hectic schedules to cover all these announcements. #9 is long overdue but I'm sure it will be great! Reply
  • eXeR - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Like it. Reply
  • LanceRose - Thursday, November 08, 2012 - link

    Love my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online(Click on menu Home)
  • phillyry - Saturday, November 10, 2012 - link

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  • SpitUK - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Anyone know how I can download this straight to my Android phone? It always wants to open it and not download it. Want to listen to it when I don't have a connection. Reply
  • Impulses - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    I haven't had any issue downloading it directly from the Direct Links - mp3 above... In fact I have like 3 notifications for previously downloaded podcasts on my EVO 4G LTE that I haven't gotten around to listening/clearing. What's the app that's attempting to open it every time instead of letting you download it? You can try clearing the defaults for that app, it's sorta like Windows' file associations except nowhere near as easy to manage. Reply
  • SpitUK - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Done it, thanks. It was BS Player associated. Reply
  • RicardoNeuer - Thursday, November 08, 2012 - link

    Love my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online(Click on menu Home)
  • phillyry - Saturday, November 10, 2012 - link

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^ MORE SPAM ABOVE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Reply
  • mckirkus - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    You should link to the previous Podcast on every one of these so people don't have to hunt around for the prior episodes.

    Request - Would love to hear more about very high resolution desktop monitors, a discussion of 120 hz (not for 3D), how a RAMDISK would score on Anand's SSD benchmarks, HSA, PS4 AMD A10 rumors, Valve's Linux Steam port, how we might use 16+GB of RAM, and I also want someone to buy me a pony.

    You should put your podcasts on YouTube and link to the relevant times in your "related articles" section. I hope you guys don't just give up on this because of the time required, these make my commute 42% more tolerable.
  • MrCromulent - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link :) Reply
  • dishayu - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    - Do one episode on SSDs please.
    - Maybe you can open it up to us people for buying suggestions? And since you'll get a big load of them, you can cherry pick an interesting one or one that might relate to a lot of people and then discuss/argue about that? I think 15 minutes towards the end could be a fair amount of time for this. People not interested can just stop at that point.
    - How about getting charlie as a guest on an episode? The guy has some extreme viewpoints but it would be quite interesting (entertaining). I noticed that Anand and Charlie have been quite chatty on twitter lately. ;)
  • MFK - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Also, is there a review for the Optimus G forthcoming?

    I'm guessing that phone will be a part of a lot of peoples shortslists owing to its hardware similarity to the Nexus and the fact that it comes with 32GB (every variant except the AT&T).

    Other sites have their reviews up but none do as thorough of a job as you guys so I'm waiting for your take on it.
    Any word on whether you guys plan on reviewing the device?
  • Spivonious - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    I really don't get the Windows Phone hate. If you want a Dropbox app, tell Dropbox to make one. This is not MS's fault.

    The criticism of messaging is also an odd one. What about the Facebook integration throughout the OS on WP? Apple is just now putting that in with iOS 6.

    WP8 will be very popular, especially with people who have bought Windows 8/RT PCs and tablets. Their "three screens and a cloud" vision will finally come together, as the phones, tablets, PCs, and next Xbox all share a common platform.
  • jeffkibuule - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Seems like Brian actually likes Windows Phone, but there are still issues that prevent him from saying "I don't need any other phone to function."

    And honestly, it is kinda sad when major 3rd party developers do not take a platform seriously. It's not about having an app access a service, it's about the lack of a 1st party app that cares about a platform, because we all know that 3rd parties will never get the same API access the actual company does (just see Twitter).

    I also think most of the startups never bothered hiring any .net developers. Most learned iOS because that's where all the money is and pretty much everyone is taught Java in college. Though I'd argue that Java is close enough to C# that any competent programmer can pick it up, that still doesn't mean a Windows Phone or Windows 8 app will be made by the company.

    However, this is where the important of Windows 8 cannot be understated. Windows 8 is too large a platform for any major developer to ignore. As such, the skills to make a Windows 8 app directly translate to Windows Phone 8. That's where I hope we'll see some cross pollination, if not direct transfer of code between platforms for most apps.
  • QuesoLoco - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    You can thank Mathais Duarte for that one!

    Palm Hardware / Software = Android 4.0+ Nexus 4/7/10
  • Krysto - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    How can you say Windows RT is as good as Android and iOS now, when you're also saying it needs at least Cortex A15 to run well? Android still runs on 600 Mhz ARM11 processors. Let's see Windows RT do that.

    I also think you bought too much into the Windows RT ads. I love how the other guy said "especially when using Office" - as if there's anything else that exists in desktop mode right now. How exactly is Windows RT any more productive than Android and iOS other than using a keyboard, which the other 2 can use, too? Name a few ways in which it's more productive and you can't do the same on iOS or Android. I'm tired of vague statements that have nothing to back them up.

    And speaking of big.Little and A15. I don't know how you run your benchmarks, but if you're maximizing the CPU utilization for the devices, that may not be the PROPER way to benchmark a big.Little chip. The big.Little set-up is configured that way because in 80% of the tasks, it can use the A7 chip. But if your benchmarks are designed to use only the maximum performance, then it will just use A15, and will end up showing much lower battery life than it should - that won't be very relevant to how a normal person will use the phone. Again, I don't know exactly what tests you're doing, so I mean this just as a warning before you start reviewing big.Little devices, so you don't end up benchmarking just the A15 part of big.Little without realizing it.
  • QuesoLoco - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    I think you may have bought too much into the Windows RT hate.

    How about automatic side-by-side applications (Samsung's new Touch Wiz only can do some stock). How about actual driver support in mouse/keyboards as well as printers.

    How about not having to root a ton of stuff to get down to the low level, as well as getting almost all of Windows 8's features. It's a powerful system.
  • VivekGowri - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    I actually wasn't even aware of the Windows RT marketing campaign, since most typical avenues of advertising don't factor into my world unless I specifically go looking for them.

    Windows RT is like having Windows 7 on a tablet device, except that when I want to use it as a slate I don't get screwed on the UX side. It's really the only one that offers multiwindow use as a built-in capability (except for the Galaxy Note 10), with both Windows UI Snap as well as the ability to put side by side windows in desktop mode. Bam, productivity. Multitasking at its core - using your device to do multiple things at once.

    Other thoughts: having direct access to a file system in the Windows shell is phenomenal. Command prompt. Control panel offers far more power over device settings than you can get anywhere in iOS (or the Windows Settings app). Real, full versions of Office (or close enough). And no, current mobile office suites do not cut it. You cannot replicate the experience on iOS at all, even when you jailbreak it, and it takes far too much work to get close with an Android tablet.

    With that said, I think the Clovertrail Windows 8 tablets are probably a better bet than the Tegra 3 based RT tablets, but the OS is the exact same thing. You obviously can't install x86 apps on the ARM tablets, but you'd never want to use them in tablet mode anyways (unless secretly you really loved the Tablet PC). Other than that, it's literally the same UI/UX. I don't understand all the kvetching.
  • phillyry - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link


    Good reply Vivek.

    It always irks me the way there's people who are ready to get their back up over everything when it's obvious you guys are just trying to tell it how it is.

    Well rebuked.

    Also good to squash all the squabbles. There are so many intelligent people in this forum, it's a waste for people to be yammering on with reactionary comments and flame wars.
  • jeffkibuule - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Android 4.2 may run on 600Mhz ARM11 CPUs, but not smoothly. There's good reason why Android 2.3 is still a huge chunk of the market, and it's not because phone vendors have a strong love of Gingerbread, but because ICS really raises the bar on what is asked of both the CPU and GPU. Reply
  • usopen65667268 - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    So glad you guys are back in business!!! Been missing your podcast! I have been feigning so badly I resorted to messaging Brian on Google Plus, and crying big tears in an email to your site! Really looking forward to hearing what Podcast 9 has to offer!! Keep up the great work guys, you are in a class of your own and the bar has been set incredibly high with your efforts!!!! Reply
  • Krysto - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    At 1:36 one guy says that iPad Mini has a higher PPI than the original Kindle Fire that was 1024x600.

    Except it DOESN'T. 1024x600, which is what the first 7" Android tablets used to have long ago, is actually slightly higher PPI than what iPad Mini has at 7.9" with 1024x768. It's 169 vs 162 PPI. Who knew right? Well, you guys should've known before making incorrect statements like that and having thousands of people hearing them and sending them elsewhere. If you had live chat during the podcasts it would be better to correct you in real time. You should hold Hangouts.
  • Zink - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Don't scare them out of doing more podcasts. I really like them just chatting which each other whenever they find time. Live would be pretty cool though I think it would restrict the length which is my favorite part. I like being able to have hours of awesome content on the go but not that many people wan't to take 2h out of their day to listen live. Once you have a definite time limit I think it might lead to interesting side stories getting left out. On the other hand a small number of people in chat might be an advantage to cut down on arguments and name calling that could make doing the podcast more stressful. Reply
  • VivekGowri - Thursday, November 08, 2012 - link

    I went back and listened to it, and I think you're thinking when I said that the pixel density was higher than the original iPad display? I mentioned reading in the Kindle app a bit before then, but I don't think the Kindle Fire came up as a topic at all in this part of the conversation. Reply
  • Zink - Friday, November 09, 2012 - link

    I also didn't hear it now that I'm done listening. Reply
  • Death666Angel - Saturday, November 10, 2012 - link

    He only says pixel density on the Mini is higher than on the original iPad (obviously, both have the same resolution :D). He does not compare Kindle Fire with the Mini in terms of pixel density. :) Reply
  • phillyry - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link


    They need to shoot from the hip half of the time and people will need to realise that this is podcast and sometimes some of the details of are incorrect. I wouldn't split hairs over minor details.
  • shabby - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    When can we expect the nexus 4 review? Reply
  • tempestglen - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    I guess anandtech preview on Nexus 4/10 on 1st Nov has been outdated.

    2nd Nov. google released 18.0.1025464 version chrome browser, this version support Nexus4/10 while anandtech's preview chrome (18.0.1025123?)NOT support.

    And the version difference will tell us why Nexus4/10 was so bad on sun spider/browsermark bench in preview.
  • Muyoso - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    Actually, I don't think that version of Chrome changes anything. For some reason the unit they have is thermally throttled, at least while running the GLBenchmark suite, and probably during the browser tests as well.. They ran the test again, but with the phone in the freezer and performance nearly doubled. Its a heat issue. They talk about it a tiny bit during the podcast. Hopefully the final software will fix this issue, but its not as simple as an update to Chrome. Reply
  • tempestglen - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    A15 is a new micro architecture, the software support plays a key role, don't forget chromebook with same exynos 5250 achieved double performance in sun spider/browsemark.

    2nd Nov.

    Chrome for Android Update
    The stable channel of Chrome for Android has been updated to 18.0.1025464 for ARM devices and to 18.0.1026320 for x86 devices. The new update includes important stability fixes and support for the Nexus 4 and Nexus 10.  Both updates are now available for download on Google Play and in the Google Play Store on your mobile devices. Known issues are available on the Chrome support site.
  • Kevin G - Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - link

    It felt that this pod cast was scrapped together with a much more rigid agenda and focus (mobile) than others in the past that'd diverge between topics based upon the conversation.

    Surprisingly I didn't hear much about the hurricane in this pod cast. Various launches were affected by this. It would have been interesting to hear how this event affected other scheduling for reviews etc. (including this podcast).

    Not covered was AMD's Piledriver chip on the desktop and server alongside the even bigger news of AMD using ARM cores in future Opterons. Similarly no mention of the new 64 bit ARM cores or that MIPs has been bought out by Imagination. These are two shake ups that'll have a long term effects on the industry. i suspect that we'll be hearing about these in the next podcast.
  • phillyry - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link

    They did mention that there was so much this week that other stuff would have to wait until the next podcasts. Especially since They've been away/tied up for so long. Reply
  • noblemo - Thursday, November 08, 2012 - link

    Thanks for a great podcast. I especially appreciated your discussion regarding the disruptive nature of the Nexus 4. The following is a comparison of economical carrier plans currently available. The total cost of a 16GB Nexus 4 with 24 months of service is shown in brackets for each plan.

    - $30/mo ($1070) T-Mobile Monthly4G: 5GB data, unlimited texting, 100 minutes talk plus $0.10 per extra minute
    - $45/mo ($1430) Straight Talk on AT&T or T-Mobile: ~2GB data, unlimited talk, unlimited texting
    - $55/mo ($1670) AT&T Prepaid: 3GB data, unlimited texting, 250 minutes talk plus $0.10 per extra minute
    - $60/mo ($1790) T-Mobile Value Package: unlimited data, unlimited texting, 500 minutes talk
    - $70/mo ($2030) T-Mobile Value Package: unlimited data, unlimited texting, unlimited talk
    - $80/mo ($2270) AT&T Prepaid: 3GB data, unlimited texting, unlimited talk

    By comparison, a 16GB Galaxy Nexus or iPhone 4s would cost $2500 with a two-year Verizon contract including 2GB/month of data, unlimited text, and unlimited talk.
  • dishayu - Friday, November 09, 2012 - link

    Damn, just when we in India were raging about Nexus 4 16GB costing close to $650 unlocked (we have no system of carrier subsidized phones in india at all, all phones are sold unlocked, at full price), we still would end up paying A LOT lesser over 2 years.

    $650 + $16 per month plan from tata docomo = 1034$ (unlimited text and calls, unlimited data)

    We don't even have restrictions on using skype/facetime/google video etc on phone. It's completely unregulated. So,
  • Earthmonger - Thursday, November 08, 2012 - link

    Always enjoy your podcasts.. but.. can we please have one that isn't about mobile devices? Not an area I really care about.

    That said though, ditch your Element case and get an Abee.
  • phillyry - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link


    Don't say that!

    This is my new favourite topic (so it must be everyone's, right?).
  • itsbotime - Thursday, November 08, 2012 - link

    You discussed the lack on messaging in WP8 but never mentioned the Skype integration. I think they intend for Skype (and email for document sharing) to cover these needs especially since they announced that they will be killing Microsoft Messenger and pushing those users onto it. Reply
  • phillyry - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link

    They're talking about the lack of a well-integrated messenger program that could meet to the needs of a lot of protocols (or something). For, say, sending a full-res photo in a text like fashion, without the need to go into email. Not sure which other restrictions there were but that doesn't dismiss the other pluses.

    It's valid to say that they should have spoken about the Skype integration plus-side (I'll have to take your word for its usefulness since I have no first-hand experience with it and, as you pointed out, they didn't make it an emphasis).

    But again, this is a separate feature and does not dismiss the messenger feature that is left wanting. You should have both and shouldn't need to compensate for one with the other. They should be complimentary.
  • Zink - Friday, November 09, 2012 - link

    Brian likes to go on an on, half of it I don't really get but the other half is completely amazing or funny so I think this format is perfect. Reply
  • phillyry - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link

    Ya. The informal tone and structure is what makes it enjoyable to listen to. Reply
  • tzhu07 - Friday, November 09, 2012 - link

    I thought you guys may have canceled the podcast. Good to see it's still here. Reply
  • ImSpartacus - Friday, November 09, 2012 - link

    Nobody thought the offgas thing was cool?

    I can hear about new phones and laptops anywhere, but there's only one source for goofy engineering quips. Klug is the man.
  • Kevin G - Sunday, November 11, 2012 - link

    When they were talking about that, I was thinking of various consumer electronics farting. In a round about way, that isn't too far off. Reply
  • phillyry - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link

    Quirky and interesting but part of me was like, "Okay... we're not gonna miss all the content for this are we?" . Reply
  • phillyry - Saturday, November 10, 2012 - link

    Been waiting excitedly for almost a month.

    Thanks guys!
  • andyd - Sunday, November 18, 2012 - link

    Hi Team-AnandTech, can you guys please post your review of Lumia 920? I am eagerly awaiting your views on the phone. The phone sounds so fascinating but is it really worth its salt? Reply

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