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  • Sunrise089 - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Thanks for the review. I was pleased to see the note about watercooling in the conclusion, since as soon as I saw "NZXT" I though "watercooling" from my association with the Switch 810 as a great watercooling case.

    I would however like to humbly request the author consider putting watercooling info in an earlier part of the case review, perhaps the "in and around" section when describing the interior arrangement of the case. It's very helpful for me at least to know how practical watercooling will be with a case even if I don't place to use it that way since it helps put some design decisions in perspective ("that case isn't bad, it's just designed around space for rads"). It would therefore be useful to me if that info was more consistently included in reviews and in a predictable place.

    Again though, I do appreciate the watercooling info making it in period, even if new info doesn't seem wholly appropriate in a conclusion. Thanks again for the review.
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  • vvv850 - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Why do you always show a build on anything rather than a full ATX or e-ATX motherboard? Reply
  • Dustin Sklavos - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    To keep the testbed standard. A full ATX or e-ATX motherboard isn't going to generate much more in the way of heat or really affect results in any way, but using a Micro-ATX board across cases allows for consistent, comparable results. Reply
  • HisDivineOrder - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Perhaps people just want to see how the board fits in the case to check clearances visually and see how their motherboard would match up. Using a smaller than ATX motherboard doesn't really help a lot in the visual comparison.

    It's just like you said. If the motherboard makes a minimal difference in heat, then I suggest you've given yourself a great reason not to always use the same small motherboard.

    I suspect if you used the micro-ATX mb and ATX mb in the same line by the same company, you'd have a minimal difference yet allow users to get a visual on how the larger mb's layout in the case.
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  • chowmanga - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Changing test hardware is never a good idea. If the audience just wants to see how a full sized motherboard fits, Dustin could take pictures with said motherboard in place but keep the testing hardware the same for thermal results. Reply
  • HaydenOscar - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Would have loved to see some temperature results with all the fans off! Reply
  • DanNeely - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Would like to see the IO ports and fan controller. Reply
  • Earthmonger - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    This is the sort of case you'd find under a 40 year-old business professional's desk. Not because they're PC-savvy, but rather because they aren't. It's the sort of run-of-the-mill case that a local PC shop would bundle together in a build when the customer didn't bother to specify a case preference. Certainly not premium, but not too cheap or gauche either.

    That's been Johnny's problem for quite awhile now. He knows how to design really good cases, but he settles on plastic and steel crap like this and says, "Oh well. The kid's will buy it." He doesn't take a design to it's potential, he just compromises and says, "Meh. Good enough." He doesn't take risks anymore, and he doesn't compete with the big dogs.

    At $249. the bracket demands a premium case. Or at the very least, premium materials. So I'd wager that you'll see this thing sub-$200 in no time. Probably closer to $175. It's another design in a long line lately that doesn't stand up for itself.
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  • crimson117 - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Where's the downvote button when you need one? Reply
  • ExarKun333 - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    You would only see this case bundled 'by default' if a buyer gave a big price for a new build and said 'have at it' for the specifics.

    It is VERY doubtful many 40-something professionals would have this under their desk. Way off there.

    I agree on the premium price/premium materials comment though. Plastic and steel for $250 is asking a lot. Great WC options though...
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  • puppies - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    I actually disagree with just about everything you said in your post.

    No 40 year old business professional is going to be seen dead with this case, it is a "gamer" case through and through.

    I wouldn't touch aluminium if that is what you class as a "premium" material. It serves no measurable benfit over steel in my eyes and is more easily damaged, i'm sure the case designers looked at various materials when they went through the R+D for this case and may take on board the comments made about the drive trays being too flimsy but simply calling plastic and steel "crap" is laughable.

    As for the price demanding a premium case, did you see the thermal and acoustic test results. It justifies itself there without a shadow of a doubt.
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  • glugglug - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    You mentioned there is a control for the color of the LED accent lighting. Is it possible to rewire the case to have the different LED colors act as different drive activity lights? Reply
  • Twoboxer - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Thanks for the fine case reviews. They are invaluable.

    In your article you mention the Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Corsair Obsidian 800D, and SilverStone FT02 as the "standards" for comparison, but you do not include performance data for them. I don't recall if they were done prior to establishing the current test bed, or if the results are available elsewhere on the web site.

    But in any case it would be beneficial to include their results in at least some of tables presented, even if it means repeating those tests using the current test bed.
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  • Astarael - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    Agreed, and the Rosewill Thor v2 was also mentioned and would be nice to have in the comparison (given that it's so much cheaper, a useful cost/benefit analysis could be done). Reply
  • Dustin Sklavos - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    They were done using the previous testbed. I generally avoid keeping cases around any longer than I have to as they occupy a LOT of space. Reply
  • Sugarfoot - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    I have been looking to replace my HAF-X for a year now.

    Switch 810 almost did it, but since I dont have plans for watercooling for the foreseeable future, I wanted the Switch but with a side intake, as air cooled setups really love that. Plus the front panel's corner mesh was not dust filtered and I am quite keen on keeping my system dust free. (I use demciflex on my HAF)

    I thought this case would be exactly it. Finally dethrone the HAF. Turns out not so. Not for me anyway, as ghastly as the HAF-X looks like, this one is even worse. Looks WAY too cheap and "gamer" to me.

    Oh well, maybe there will be a Fractal Define R4 XL?
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  • GeorgeH - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    So, what's the conversion between ? and inches? Reply
  • glugglug - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    235mm x 650mm x 612mm (W x H x D)

    http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cases/31207-ph...
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  • superflex - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    For $249, I'll take an all aluminum Lian Li. Reply
  • spamreader1 - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    the cables can't be seen from the motherboard side. I noticed this after I saw the completed install. Reply
  • Urizane - Monday, October 15, 2012 - link

    The issue wasn't with which side the cables are on. There are plenty of cases that slide drives in from the left and allow you to plug them in on the right. In fact, that's how I've seen all rails in ATX cases where the drives are mounted left to right (instead of front to back). Here, the cables are still facing the right side panel, but for some reason, the drives have to be inserted on that same side. I don't make a habit out of installing and removing drives on a regular basis, so it would make no difference to me. It's just different. Reply
  • infoilrator - Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - link

    A clear objective found and delivered.
    The Phantom created a loyal group, the 810 and 410 showed groth and disernment.
    This is over the top, but that can be ab apex as well as an excess.
    Can't afford it, but I like where it comes from.
    lol, someday someone will get all the details perfect, what will the reviewers do?
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  • elitetechguy - Sunday, October 21, 2012 - link

    Why don't you have the dimensions and weight? If the dimensions and weight didn't come with the documentation, why don't you have a scale and measuring device to get that information so you can write a complete review? Reply

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