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  • The_Kristoffer - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    When are you going to publish the rundown of Haswell? I've been waiting for, what feels like, forever! Reply
  • tynopik - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    And when's you're next podcast! Reply
  • tynopik - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    you're = your, sheesh Reply
  • DanNeely - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    As soon as Intel's NDA lifts? Reply
  • The_Kristoffer - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    And when is that? Reply
  • Homeles - Thursday, September 27, 2012 - link

    He's looking for the post-IDF Haswell architecture writeup that Anand has been teasing us with for ages. That information isn't under NDA. Reply
  • greylica - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    OpenCL compiler using AMD Drivers are still waiting for a fix, laptops are still waiting for good linux drivers (Samsumg chronos 7 with Linux, anyone ???) as well as PCs.

    I'm not sure this will solve both problems, OpenCL and Linux mobile drivers. But I have lost my expectations, and now I will stick with Intel, it's not so fast, but it's fully Linux compatible...
    Reply
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    If you're looking to run Linux, you're still best off getting non-switchable graphics for notebooks (or something with a hardware switch and muxes). It's basically such a small market that neither AMD nor NVIDIA are all that concerned with investing the manpower to address the requirements for Linux Enduro/Optimus. Reply
  • Deanjo - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    and now I will stick with Intel, it's not so fast, but it's fully Linux compatible...


    How do you figure with intel having no openCL support in linux for their igp's?
    Reply
  • TrantaLocked - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    THIS RELEASE DOESN'T SUPPORT THE 7000M SERIES.

    "The following notebooks are not compatible with this release:
    Switchable Graphics enabled notebooks."
    7000m NOT LISTED IN SUPPORTED GPU LIST.

    TROLLED HARD BY AMD.
    Reply
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    Sorry, see below for my response (I deleted my original comment but you had apparently already replied to it). Reply
  • KyleH334 - Thursday, September 27, 2012 - link

    It is supported it was just missing from one of the lists in error. This driver has been confirmed for the 7000m series by AMD. Reply
  • Duwelon - Thursday, September 27, 2012 - link

    I was able to install the beta fine on my Clevo with a 7970m, you probably downloaded the wrong driver. On the page that the article links to are both Beta drivers and production ones, you have to scroll down to get to the beta. Reply
  • TrantaLocked - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    I'm not installing a driver that doesn't support my graphics card. I will wait for the next release. Reply
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    Try it anyway -- I can tell you that it installed fine on the P170EM. Actually, let me clarify: "Switchable Graphics" in AMD speak is NOT that same as Enduro -- Switchable Graphics in their mind specifically refers to the PowerXpress 3.0 and earlier implementations if I'm not mistaken -- the ones with muxes. Reply
  • TrantaLocked - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    I never said the package wouldn't work. Even if I tried it I wouldn't keep it. The 7000m series isn't listed in the supported GPU list. Yeah, maybe the driver was designed to "work" with 7000m cards, but it doesn't officially support it them. Reply
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    A related question is of course: which laptop do you have? I'm going to try installing it on an older PowerXpress 4.0 (pre-Enduro but Dynamic Switchable Graphics enabled) Sony VAIO C to see how it goes. Reply
  • TrantaLocked - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    I own a Sager NP9150 with the 7970m. Reply
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    So basically what I have, or is that the P150EM? Anyway, I fail to see how this could be worse than the drivers you're currently using. AMD's people specifically emailed me to tell me the beta driver for the P150EM/P170EM and other laptops was available. Reply
  • TrantaLocked - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    My model is basically the P150EM but Sager branded. Yours if purchased through Sager would be the NP9170.

    I guess AMD forgot to list the 7000m series in the release notes, because if AMD specifically told you this package is meant for the P150EM//P170EM and other recent models, then the 7000m series should be supported. There are no 6000m cards sold with those laptops. I want to wait for confirmation from AMD, whether it be they update the release notes or tell us directly.
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  • Ryan Smith - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    Note that AMD's driver info page backs up what AMD has told Jarred. The 7000M is listed as supported on that page.

    http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCata...
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  • Duwelon - Friday, September 28, 2012 - link

    Maybe they should just send you an engraved letter on gold encrusted paper? Reply
  • TrantaLocked - Saturday, September 29, 2012 - link

    The 7970m was released in April with no decent driver support and it STILL isn't supported as an AMD GPU should. AMD should care more about its customers, and all I asked was for AMD to let us know whether or not our products are supported! Reply
  • geokilla - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link

    Trying to get a hybrid/switchable driver for the Intel HD graphics + ATI 5470M, but I haven't found any updated ones that seem to work. Would this work?

    I have no clue if it's PowerXpress 4.0 or not.
    Reply
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, September 27, 2012 - link

    If you have the older style switchable graphics where there are actual muxes on the motherboard, then no, this will not work. Sony VAIO SE is one laptop that uses the physical switch to select GPU. In fact, I'd estimate that there are probably a lot more AMD GPU solutions with muxes than there are Enduro offerings, so you're probably out of luck. Reply
  • nbelote - Monday, October 01, 2012 - link

    Try Leshcat's modded drivers. They seem to work with my hybrid Intel/6770m laptop. Everything functions, and I dare say my gaming performance has been boosted slightly (thanks to current drivers):

    http://www.leshcatlabs.net/
    Reply
  • KyleH334 - Thursday, September 27, 2012 - link

    The new driver installed fine for me and seems to be working! I will update if I run into any problems :) Reply
  • Yorgos - Thursday, September 27, 2012 - link

    I feel like a pimp spit on my face right now.

    many people have problems with 1.13 x org(even if they solve it, new x org is coming in March, i won't even mention Wayland),
    my 565v(mobility radeon 4670, RV730) card got wiped from the proprietary driver.
    many other features like fan control does not exist in Linux, or they are buggy.

    nVidia, on the other hand has their own issues.

    what's left to do? buy another product for 200-300 $ and spend my time waiting for a proper driver, and when the proper driver comes out they will decide that the HW is obsolete, but still capable of playing every new game at 70% settings?(that counts also for my 4870 card)
    Reply
  • Bob Todd - Friday, September 28, 2012 - link

    I picked up a 2nd gen Envy 15 (i7-2670QM/HD 7690M 1GB GDDR5) with a free Xbox 360. The hardware for the money was good, and I had a baseless assumption that AMD would have to get reference drivers working for laptops with dynamic switchable graphics in Q4. Otherwise they'd risk early adopters swearing off AMD in the future when some OEMs took forever to release Windows 8 drivers or never released them at all. Not to mention they had to get them fixed in order to not lose another round of design wins to Nvidia when the Haswell refreshes came around.

    As it stands now I'm not even positive I should look forward to Enduro support. This laptop has dynamic switchable graphics and what I assume is PowerXpress 4.0 (it came out in December of last year). The 12.9 beta will install on top of the official drivers from HP, but the card gets misidentified as a 6600M/6700M. The global switchable settings also don't have anything visible populated in the drop downs. Other than that things seem to work fine including gaming. The drivers will also install successfully after removing the official HP drivers, but Windows disables the card ("Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems"). CCC doesn't really show any info in this case because the card is disabled.

    I'll hold out a glimmer of hope that it's only an issue with the first beta and things will improve later this year, unless Jarred knows I'm boned.
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  • JarredWalton - Saturday, September 29, 2012 - link

    I have the same issue with a Sony VAIO C (PowerXpress 4.0) and the 12.9 Beta drivers will install but the global settings don't have populated lists. This beta appears to have targeted 7970M primarily, but it sort of works on other laptops. AMD is aware of the issue and I presume they'll be working to fix things. Will they fix them with the next release, or the one after that? I don't know, but they do know that I'm going to discuss the current state of Enduro and I hope they give me some good news beyond just working to improve 7970M Enduro setups. Reply
  • Bob Todd - Sunday, September 30, 2012 - link

    Thanks for the feedback Jarred, and for all the nice Enduro coverage. I knew what a sorry state the driver support was in before my purchase, mostly from reading previous coverage here. I just hope AMD pulls through for everyone whose hardware is capable. If not, I'll probably be looking for something new shortly after the Haswell release, and eBay can find a new home for this one. Reply
  • HOODY - Saturday, September 29, 2012 - link

    Well I'm with you on this one Bob,

    I have a dv7 6c00 2670QM with the same card (7690M XT) and this Intel 3000.

    I have been round and round with HP and AMD on this for 2 months, the only "hope" as you put it is that they (AMD) do get this insanity fixed, so we can ALL download drivers again from the maker of our cards, not the maker of our laptops.

    I have one other thought though, if AMD does finally get the switchable graphics thing under control on their end, what would that mean for the Intel 3000 graphics driver? Would that driver be left as is? or does it also need to be updated? and by whom? Intel? if so how do you just install that driver so as not to effect the AMD part?.

    Man I just don't think whom ever came up with this bright idea thought it through to start with. I would be fine to be able to just disable the 3000 altogether some how and use only this 7690M XT, and have AMD come up with a driver that would be able to power down the 7690 if needed too on battery.

    Anyway, I'm "hoping" too.

    I just started using a laptop , have only used desktops, so never had any problem like this with drivers not being able to be gotten direct from the graphics maker.
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  • Bob Todd - Sunday, September 30, 2012 - link

    I'm actually more annoyed with HP than AMD. The only graphics drivers for this laptop are from the initial release. The AMD driver in the bundle will be a year old tomorrow! And the newer Ivy Bridge version hasn't had any updates since release either. That's nuts for their "high end" consumer gear.

    Depending on what your needs are, you may want to check out the unofficial drivers here...
    http://leshcatlabs.net/

    All the caveats of hacked up drivers apply, but it's probably as good as you are going to get until HP posts some updates or AMD works through the remaining Enduro issues. They work fine for me in Windows 7 x64 (Envy 15 3047NR). In WIndows 8, I get consistent crashes in Steam (with the bios set to dynamic or fixed). I haven't bothered to try overclocking the card with these drivers yet. The 7690M is just an underclocked 7690M XT, but it handles the XT clocks easily. I think they went with a 7690M more for marketing reasons (to give the 17 inch version with the XT a "better" card) than out of thermal concerns in the 15 inch chassis.

    Sadly I won't be surprised if AMD doesn't have updated (and Windows 8 compatible) drivers until well after October 26th.

    As for the Intel drivers, if all ends up well in Enduro land, you'll just grab one driver from Intel and one from AMD and be on your way. The reference Intel drivers are also much newer than what HP has available, shocking I know.
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  • JarredWalton - Sunday, September 30, 2012 - link

    As an interesting aside, on the Sony VAIO C after installing the 12.9 Beta, AMD suggested perhaps the problem with the global lists not showing up was that the driver targeted a more recent Intel driver. I figured anything was possible so I gave it a shot.

    First step: try to install the latest 2712 Intel driver. FAIL! Intel's driver detects that I'm running an OEM-specific driver build and refuses to install.

    Step two: uninstall Intel drivers, reboot, install 2712 Intel driver. SUCCESS! Sort of...

    Step three: Enduro is totally gone now, so I try to install it. Nope. So I try cleaning out all AMD drivers, reinstall the Intel driver, and then try the AMD drivers again. Still the same problem: no Enduro support after this.

    Step four: Mostly working Enduro is better than no Enduro (or more specifically, no AMD GPU at all!), so I try to go back to the custom Sony driver. FAIL! It acts like it installs fine, but upon rebooting the AMD GPU is still MIA. So I uninstall all the AMD drivers, uninstall the Intel drivers, reboot, reinstall the custom monolithic Sony drivers (Intel + AMD in one package), reboot, and then reinstall the 12.9 Beta. Hooray! I'm back to where I was before step one, only a couple hours later.

    Obviously, AMD is still working on this stuff -- it's basically where NVIDIA was about two years ago in terms of mobile driver support. I hope that by the end of the year, all PowerXpress 4.0 and later laptops will be properly supported and working... and then most likely AMD will start killing off anything older than 6000M series shortly thereafter (though maybe it won't be quite so soon).
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  • HOODY - Sunday, September 30, 2012 - link

    Good grief!!!! no way do I want to go through all that if that's what ends up trying the Enduro driver.

    Something that will put a wrench in the gears with that point about killing off older cards, is that most if not ALL these 76xx type cards on these laptops are no more that 6xxx cards, as I seen on some blogs that when people install these driers their cards are no longer seen as 76xx but as 6xxx, ie 7690M XT as a 6770M. So what ever AMD does with this they will most certainly have to take that into consideration as these laptops will be around a few years yet, like I just got mine 2 months ago and am not going out to buy another one just for the drivers,

    I did state in one of my emails to AMD that if this doesn't get resolved I will no longer be looking at their products, I said if they (AMD) can paste that nice red RADEON sticker on my machine they (AMD) should be supporting that item, or else don't advertise it. As for now their tool for finding my graphics card (7690M XT) says its not supported.

    I just set up my CPA buddy's ACER machine last night, it came with one card, the Gforce 650, shows a better clock speed and memory clock than mine, took a update from NVIDIA right off the shelf and is running fine with their setup for switchable stuff something called Optimus I think. I was really annoyed when I saw how easy that went for him, and knowing any update from his card maker will be downloadable right from NVIDIA.

    As I said, don't think this Switchable thing was R&D enough at the get go. Only ONE card should be in ONE machine that has the ability to just automatically power down when on battery. And ONE maker does the drivers. I don't really expect HP, ACER, or any other computer builder to be making drivers for the hardware makers of their products, all those guys do is put the "parts" together.
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  • hqt4991 - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - link

    First of all thanks Jarred for being the only writer I know that seriously look into this whole Enduro situation. You are awesome.

    I own a HP dv7t with a 6770M and Switchable Graphics (PowerXpress, Enduro, whatever they call it). Coincidentally, I have tried all the steps you mentioned above, with exactly the same outcome. My conclusion is that if you install any kind of generic Intel drivers, then your laptop is screwed. Also, this 12.9 Beta package can only be installed on top of either an OEM package or Leshcat package, which is kind of useless because ALL drivers from AMD website can do that.
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  • HOODY - Sunday, September 30, 2012 - link

    Hy Bob, yeah been to leashcat site and read all, also posted my questions, but don't feel all that comfortable installing some "modded" drivers esp ones that are still in testing mode.

    I will be upgrading my system after Oct 26th to W8 Pro anyway using their $15 upgrade deal, so I figure I may as well wait it out till than and see what transpires between HO and AMD on this driver issue. I assume by the time AMD has (IF they have) a working solution HP will most likely have a W8 driver ready for our laptops. It may however only be their own "modded" mess of the old driver set just to make it work on 8.

    I got this laptop at a good price for the hardware $550 incl shipping but now on hind sight unless this driver mess gets solved by AMD the maker of my main high end card, I feel I won't be happy with it for the time I use it.

    HP dv7t-6c00, 2670QM, 8g ram, 7690M XT 2g gddr5, 1920x1080 17.3 screen, BD reader CD, bluetooth, 2 USB 3.0 and 2 USB 2.0, fingerprint reader. wifi.

    Only other complaint I have is I find this 7690M XT w/gddr5 is supposed to be 900MHz memory clock, yet every gpu program shows it @800MHz max. Only way I get it up is to OC it to 900. SO even that is misleading.
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  • TrantaLocked - Sunday, September 30, 2012 - link

    Hoody, installing Windows 8 will only lead to more driver problems. Go ahead and grab the software, but I'd advise against installing it. The desktop/laptop industry is not moving to the OS as it offers nothing but a new UI meant for tablets. AMD and Nvidia already feel pressured by Microsoft since they are forced to support dynamic switching for Windows 8, and then you have Microsoft banning start bar addons for Win 8. Microsoft is taking a VERY strong step in one direction, and it would be best to wait to see whether that is a step into lava or diamonds. Reply
  • HOODY - Sunday, September 30, 2012 - link

    @ TrantaLocked, yeah well I have a plan to get the upgrade, install it and do a image backup, than replace my earlier image of W7 anyway. I figure things are only going to go down hill for a while. And as I said several times, unless AMD gets its act together and finds a way to buddy up with Intel for at least this one thing until its past and we get back to ONE "dedicated" GPU from ONE maker again, I will not buy any more products with this card, only NVIDIA.

    I think that this "switchable" stuff will end up trashed by both makers anyway as it didn't turn out as planned by either. I see where it was an idea to save battery time, but I don't think they thought about the driver issues. So the only solution I czn see is in the future, ONLY one GPU will be installed, that will be able to just power down itself when its on battery only, and fire back up in clock speed when it senses the plug in,

    Don't know why these "smart" people didn't just think of that at the get go.
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  • KyleH334 - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - link

    Any update on when we can expect the under utilisation fix yet? Where and how do you update the fix? Sory I'm new to all this!! Reply
  • HOODY - Monday, October 08, 2012 - link

    I hope your still going to post updated info on this subject, I read the same posts over just to keep up.

    I for one am trying to find anything I can on this Enduro driver thing and any updated info from AMD on when they plan to start supporting ALL 76xx cards and how things are going for W8 on this besides W7.

    It just seems strange that a workable driver can be compiled in Nov 2011 via HP/AMD but no one can come up with a workable "updated" driver in 2012 soon to be 2013.

    Thanks for the info so far at least.
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  • HOODY - Sunday, October 14, 2012 - link

    New Driver 12.10
    http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/embedded/Pag...

    I don’t think this driver is meant for us with the Intel/AMD setup, esp us with this 7690 thing. after reading the site I see where it states this

    “AMD Embedded GPU and APU Vista/Win7 Driver”

    I think what this tells me is if you have AMD/AMD your OK.

    I feel if these manufactures would just stick to using the GPU and APU from the same maker all this driver mess would be fixed. As some seem to be able to use the AMD drivers and some not, the ones that can most likely have both graphics from AMD, likewise with this Optimus stuff, as long as the motherboard has both Intel and Ggforce it works well.

    Why the hell HP or anybody else decided to mix these graphics is beyond me, as I'm sure it would have been just as cost effective either way, I'd be all in favor of HP just giving me replacement Motherboard with both AMD if that would solve this driver mess,
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  • wajidamin - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - link

    when will be hp g62 a53se ati 5470/intel hd 1st generation new video driver released by amd or it will never released by amd plz tell me and does this above driver will be compatible with my specs also tell me which power express i have 3 or 4 hand will amd release in future driver for switchable compatible with my specs the oem drivers are more than 2year old plz i need new drivers plz help Reply
  • HOODY - Thursday, November 01, 2012 - link

    Well there's nothing new for this card, Radeon 7690M XT, On HP site it still shows the old Nov 2011 driver for W7, under W8 there is nothing showing for graphics driver at all.

    If your using W8, you can go here [Drivers] HP dv6-4XXX / dv6-6XXX / dv7-5XXX / dv7-6XXX / ENVY 14-2XXX / ENVY 17-2XXX (INTEL) - Page 41 and try that (leaked) HP driver for this card.

    If not than you can run over to Leshcat's site and try his, but I think he's about to release a new 12-10 so you might want to wait for that. They will have the latest AMD and Intel mix. As for AMD, I'm still waiting for their "final" Enduro release, maybe in another month or maybe not till Jan, I'm still waiting for AMD to make a tool that actually finds this 7690M XT and any other 76xxM card and supports these cards, but I'm not in any hurry now.

    I have my W8 install key and disk and can wait, I have everything working on my W7 now and don't need to run around looking for scanner or printer drivers too.

    For now I sit on my OEM HP nov 2011 graphic driver, and will only update when I see a new one listed for both W7 and W8, and that actually installs "as is" and works.

    Good Luck with that 7690m xt smirks
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    HP dv7t-6c00 8g ram W7, 7690m xt 2g gddr5 17.3" 1920x1080 screen ( using 2nd monitor Samsung 26" @1920x1200)

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