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  • tynopik - Saturday, September 15, 2012 - link

    are there 2 different ipad 2 models? it's listed in the chart twice

    also:
    http://www.ifans.com/forums/threads/yes-the-iphone...
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  • Araemo - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Yes, there are two iPad 2 models.

    After the "new ipad" (ipad 3) came out, they still sell an ipad 2 model. However, apple got a process-shrunk version of the A5 into it, which increases battery life since it's the exact same chip design, but manufactured on a newer, better process, so it uses less power. I don't know for sure, but it's entirely possible that they updated the memory interface to get cheaper parts, rather than having to special-order older generation parts.
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  • tynopik - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    I don't know for sure, but it's entirely possible that they updated the memory interface to get cheaper parts, rather than having to special-order older generation parts


    I certainly hope that means the newer one is also the faster one ;)
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  • madmilk - Monday, September 17, 2012 - link

    Nope, clock speed and architecture are the same. Just smaller. Reply
  • coolhardware - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Wow, you guys have done a superb job on the iPhone 5 coverage. While most tech sites just do the rumors and the liveblog, Anandtech actually digs in to find and analyze the technical details. :-)

    Thanks for all the sleuthing!

    If you guys get any more info on the 5th generation iPod touch, a lot of your readers may be interested. I'll probably never buy an iPhone but this will be approximately my sixth iPod (including my old mini which upgraded from a CF sized hard drive to a CompactFlash memory card). I have sold or given away most of those iPods but the latest touch (w/the nice screen) really appeals to me.

    I realize the touch is using a lot of 'stock' parts (CPU/camera) from older Apple devices, which may limit what additional analysis you can do, but I would love to know more about the new IPS display (shared w/the iPhone 5) and the battery/memory/flash etc. would all be awesome to know. And post if you find out any specific ship dates for the new iPod touch, mine just lists 'October' on the order status:
    http://www.jdhodges.com/2012/09/ipod-touch-5th-gen...

    Thanks again for all the in-depth tech reporting you guys do!
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  • pxavierperez - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Samsung just released an ad which inadvertently confirmed iPhone 5's 1GB memory. Reply
  • dugbug - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Which goes to apples concern: there are supposed to be firewalls between the mobile group and their component business.

    Samsung is acting irrational. The phone isn't even out yet.
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  • KitsuneKnight - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    It's possible that the mobile division just looked at the same publicly available information as Anand to figure that out. I've not seen the ad, so they might have had several different versions ready and waiting for once they found out, even. Reply
  • Penti - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Pretty sure the ad people aren't involved in either of the Samsung business groups when it comes to components and mobile development/design. Memory is also sold by Samsung Electronics not the Foundry services team. So memory chips are sold by the same business group that makes phones. Foundry services do exist partly in another company though. Head office still has lots of the responsibilities. It's up to Samsung Semiconductor, Samsung Electronics and Apple to agree to the terms and if they are gonna keep quiet about stuff, component manufacturers normally don't they boast about stuff months if not years before delivery. Even still the foundry people and memory/packing people would know nothing about the physical design of the finished product. If they do then surely Apple is to blame as they don't have NDA's covering such areas even and it's Taiwanese firms that do the casing. It's also not the component engineers and people that will make decisions for the phone developers, they will have to make their own decisions and will be able to use any technology their parent company owns or license.

    It's easy enough to guess, Apple wouldn't release a device with 512MB now, iPads has had 1GB since the new iPad. Don't know how their marketing works but they have no reason to discuss mobile ad campaigns with people talking about competitor products.
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  • Microsapper - Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - link

    Sorry but it seems Apple were most likely responsible for more leaks on iPhone 5 than anybody on the web. I mean it really doesn't take much to get the low down on what going on with Apple lately!

    Like I was just minding my own business going over Qualcomm S4 info on the web. Low and behold I stumble upon this link on Qualcomm's Austrian Developer site and what do it see? This little tidbit about iOS and ARMv7 ARMv7s. So apparently it seems A6 may have S4 Krait cores in it, instead of Apple's own custom cores!

    https://ar.qualcomm.at/content/when-can-we-expect-...

    Wouldn't that be something if Apple used Qualcomm S4 Krait cores and PowerVR GPU? I think it would, even though it would most likely indicate both Samsung GSIII (US) and iPhone 5 at least had similar CPU's! :DDD
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  • Luke.Hi - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Hi guys! You table shows "MB/s" - does that mean megaBIT or megaBYTE per second? Reply
  • nfineon - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Capital MB normally means megaBYTES whereas Mb = megaBiTS Reply
  • Death666Angel - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Big "B" stands for byte, small "b" stands for bit. Reply
  • tipoo - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    The Pentium 4 HT Extreme Edition had memory bandwidth between 6400 MB/s-8512 MB/s depending on the model, I always find it interesting to compare how far along these mobile SoCs have come. Reply
  • danielfranklin - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Indeed interesting stuff, but its important to remember the desktop's of those days most often had dedicated graphics with its own memory bandwidth.
    I was picturing my Celeron 300A with a 64bit 100mhz mem bus when i looked at the chart, wasnt much was it...
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  • ltcommanderdata - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/16/iphone-5-bench...

    Geekbench results are up for the iPhone 5. It reports 1GHz dual core with 1MB L2 cache. The Geekbench score works out to be 2.5x faster than the iPhone 4S.

    http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1030202
    http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1028498

    The biggest improvement turns out to be in memory bandwidth with a 3.2x increase from iPhone 4S to iPhone despite only a 33% theoretical increase going from LPDDR2-800 to LPDDR2-1066. I guess Apple has redesigned the memory controller for more bandwidth efficiency as Anand mentioned was needed.
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  • igotsnomoney - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link

    Going around the internet when i fount iphone5,2 in the geekbench browser. Apple really did mean 2x performance

    The A6 is one powerful SoC

    http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1030202
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  • BSMonitor - Monday, September 17, 2012 - link

    But I love how we get all excited for performance from 1998 in these tiny All-in-One PCs!!

    I want the Ivy Bridge smart phone I can dock to replace my work PC. ;-)
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  • rocky12345 - Monday, September 17, 2012 - link

    Hello
    I like the site a lot but can we please stop with all the iphone 5 this & that stuff. I mean come on we all know there will be a review of this new phone from Apple so if we could please leave all of the tiny liittle articals for the big & up & coming review that would be great. I have never seen so much coverage of a simple little cell phone before on one site. please just take all the speculation & facts & put it into one review.

    This is a great site been coming here since day one when it opened up but if you are going to give Apple so much site time for what they call a new device then all products should get the same attention. I am not saying the site is biased towards one company,we all know this is a very open minded site 99.99% of the time.

    Thank You
    Long Time AnandTech Reader.
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  • A5 - Monday, September 17, 2012 - link

    These articles are pretty much the point of the Pipeline section. No one is making you read them, but Anand has to pay the bills and these iPhone articles drive a ton of traffic. Reply
  • rocky12345 - Monday, September 17, 2012 - link

    I get that anandtech has to pay the bills but most of this same info in these little articles will be in the big review that is forth coming. I also stopped reading these little blurbs about the iphone 5 after the second one that was posted this past weekend because it will be the same info we will get in the big review. But I guess it not Anandtech's fault that Apple has been so tight lipped about a lot of the hardware inside the new iphone 5 which in turn makes sites like this have to speculate as to what is going on inside the new idevice. I myself will not get an idevice not because of the hardware being bad I actually think the hardware inside an ipod or iphone is fairly good. I won't get an idevice because of Apple themselves I can not spend my money on a company like Apple that has such terrible business practices & is so sue happy about such stupid things. IF they were to compete with the other companies on a fair playing field without using the court system I probably would own some sort of idevice.

    Can you think of what it would be like if in other industries there were apple like companies such as the auto industry. We would still be driving cars with tech from 5 years ago because anything knew in cars would be held up being released because of impending court battles. I know companies have to protect their IP but when it gets down to a product being banned because of a shape or icon that is going to far.
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  • LordSojar - Monday, September 17, 2012 - link

    8 of the 12 articles under the Pipeline are about Apple. It is a bit out of sorts compared to say a new Samsung phone, or really, any other new electronics product. Even Intel doesn't get this much press when they release an entire new family of processors.

    Who is more important, Apple or Intel? GIve you a hint, one uses the others chips in their products and would not exist without the other.
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  • erple2 - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - link

    Clearly, you don't remember the substantial coverage Intel got just recently from the idc. Nor the many articles about haswell that have also been written as new information surfaces.

    Besides, these snippets are all in the pipeline section. Do you remember what the site was like during the galaxy nexus launch? Of the sgs3 launch? It was much the same.
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