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  • damianrobertjones - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    Late information but thank you anyway

    I'm pretty sure that if this were Apple news it would have hit the web and been posted everywhere within minutes. Once the sales start and the money flows the info for MS will quickly ramp again.
  • vasanthakumar - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    I wish Microsoft enter the smartphone/tablet wars and make consumer great.. Innovation is very much required.. Product innovation. I heard people buy tablets argue without any is very sad..Also marketing guys who makes mess with discussion forum.

    Microsoft could have have chosen integrated Qualcomm chipset rather than Tegra 3. If it is 200$, I feel there will no LPDDR2 or GPU. I do want both.

    I think Microsoft should contact Braun for their industrial design make competitive APPLE tablets.Braun is the best for industrial design.

    Is Microsoft offers lot of free APPS... If it is then it will be good for value .. I wish they make more free APPS when compared to Android.

    I wish they procure a good 802.11ac chipset from Broadcomm. ST, Avago, ..

    Is this tablet has MHL a very important feature for TV integration....
  • augiem - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    If MS hired Braun to design their devices they'd end up looking just like Apple's. Reply
  • yyrkoon - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    Being a hobbyist embedded systems designer, I am a huge fan of ARM technology. Thus, I would like to see Windows RT do very well. Mainly, because I could see all sort of possibilities that may facilitate making my hobby easier and better. Or even different in a good way.

    With that said, one has to wonder why Microsoft feels compelled to omit all of the important data in such testing. What is the point after all ? "Hey look, we can play 720p video for almost two hours longer than Apple at 1080p." ? Yeah, I know that is a stretch, but it has to make one wonder.

    Granted, Apple is the last thing I want to deal with in my life. Period. But still . . .
  • bplewis24 - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    Did anybody expect much different from the ARM based tablets? The real information that I'm concerned with is the x86 based tablets, which I imagine will be terrible in comparison. Reply
  • asliarun - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    Why would you imagine x86 would be terrible?

    Intel's single core Medfield has similar performance AND power consumption (full power and standby) as most ARM designs (and in fact beats ARM if you compare core to core). Clovertrail will basically be a dual core version of Medfield with probably some additional optimization and I would imagine that it will be extremely competitive with even the latest ARM designs.

    Plus, an x86 based tablet will let you run all your legacy apps and will get full Office support.

    The only thing that would suck would be the battery life and heat of an Intel Core base tablet, but it will dominate ARM when it comes to performance and will probably be positioned as a true laptop replacement.
  • Penti - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    Legacy apps, better enterprise integration and control. Stuff like Outlook, none WinRT-games, business software, creative software and all the little tools and services people use that is built for Win32 makes the x86 ones more attractive. If people buy them it's because it's a notebook replacement it's fits pretty bad as an second device kind of thing to augment your Windows experience. Plus remember that the new iPad has a larger battery then MacBook Air 11. Atom stuff should get more battery life then needed and many will feature modern Core stuff from Intel, my only worry is those damn PowerVR-drivers that newer seems to sit well with Windows and that concern is true for ARM too. And I still wonder how W8 will go with the enterprises. They are done moving to Windows 7 by now, but unless they can avoid Metro W8 is of no use to them. When working with real world stuff even stuff like reaching for your mouse/trackpad is a pain. A full screen interface not compatible with Win32 software and scrolling sideways will pretty much just end up being in the way.

    When it comes to a communications and entertainment device, with lots of business use Android and iPad is already on a long way down that path. Playbook can take some Android software now. But Windows Runtime is a whole new environment that doesn't seem to solve anything when it comes to frees themselves from the underlaying platform dependencies of past Microsoft decades. It's huge despite not really being a different OS/platform.
  • MartinT - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    What an odd choice to specify max playback time, max battery capacity, min weight and min height. Reply
  • Braumin - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    Well they are comparing different devices. Not sure if you noticed that. Reply
  • MartinT - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    Ah, OK, then it's merely useless, rather than silly.

  • Braumin - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    It's silly to show they are going to have a range of devices at launch? OK then I can see you are just trolling. Reply
  • MartinT - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    It would have been silly for Microsoft to set the four design limits I mentioned earlier.

    Thanks to you, I now understand those numbers to be the range of devices partners have actually come up with, rather than guidelines from Microsoft to design to.

    Which brings me back to this table being useless, because taking the min/max on any spec from a range of devices might be nice from a statistics point of view, it's meaningless to a consumer who will have to compare the complete devices against one another, and each device has its own, discreet set of specs somewhere within the range this table lists.
  • sigmatau - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    LOL! Apple is shaking awake from a nightmare.

    Thanks for your nonanalysis.
  • vasanthakumar - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    To knockout APPLE is very difficult in mobility...
    But Microsoft must not should not get tired.....
    Microsoft popularized PC with their cost effective approach.
    So wannbe gadget holder (price senstive) looking for cost effective tablets. Microsoft please understand and satisfy the desire.

    Microsoft must give a lot product value and gives tough compettion to both Apple and Android devices...
  • secretmanofagent - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link

    Nobody's pointed out the maximum weight a device can be as 1200g, which is 2.65 pounds. I'm guessing this would be for a laptop form-factor possibly, but dang. Reply
  • frostyfiredude - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    Lenovo's Yoga RT probably, it did seem rather chunky in both weight and thickness looking at the chart, but with a KB it makes sense. The RT version is supposed to be 11.6" too. Reply
  • Braumin - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    It's not the max weight a device can be, but the maximum weight of a device that will be available at launch.

    They are just saying they have devices from X to Y that will be available at launch. I am not sure why no one is grasping that - perhaps the table needs to be more clear.
  • costea310d - Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - link

    i believe that the new brains at amd will come up with some game starter apus. they already have a master plan for x86 apus, and, behold, for arm apus. wait, i am not done yet, they might come up with hybrid arm-x86 socs. all these apus and socs will be very very powerful, some of them , the ones, will be 64 bytes compatible , and will eat very little energy. ... be it that amd will still be arround that long ... Reply

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