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  • frostyfiredude - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    Nice, now they just need to get the price for the full license out there. Reply
  • powerarmour - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    Isn't it upgrade only?, I thought they were canning the full retail option... Reply
  • tipoo - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    For RT, the tablet version Reply
  • frostyfiredude - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    There will still be a system builder license Reply
  • SlyNine - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    My guess is it will flop. I think people will want the tradition desktop. People will not want to learn new shortcut keys, and having to navigate to the desktop. If vista's UAC was to much of a change, this will be disastrous. Reply
  • Malih - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    It looks like Microsoft considers Windows 8 as the Vista 2.0, they're releasing it as a bridge to Windows 9, or maybe after a year or so they'll release a Service Pack that'll significantly make everything better, or a (really) cheap upgrade to Windows 9.

    I guess they're thinking that you can only truly know what the public wants by feedback of the release, just like what Apple did with OS X Lion, it's stable and usable, got lots of new features that's useful (just like Vista), but there's also dissatisfaction, and feedbacks, and then comes Mountain Lion a year after it.

    (I used Vista after release of the SP1, the installation lasted until Q2 of 2010, and It was stable and usable enough for me, despite what articles said.)
  • damianrobertjones - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    My guess is that it'll be a success. Nor you or I decide these things... It's the kids. Once the k ids think it's cool then the adults follow like sheep. Reply
  • SlyNine - Friday, July 20, 2012 - link

    I've seen stranger things happen. I will be buying 2 copies of Windows 7 just in case. Reply
  • jkostans - Saturday, July 21, 2012 - link

    I think it will do well. If it doesn't break backwards compatibility from windows 7 then I will be completely on board. I had a tough time going from XP to W7 x64 trying to get older games/hardware to work right(desktop application). Thank god for DosBox and the kxaudio people. If there ever exists a touchscreen laptop with a good keyboard/trackpad that can be removed I will jump on that in a heartbeat. Surface with the "type" cover seems like a good solution, just have to wait for the reviews to roll in. Reply
  • BSMonitor - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    Honestly, this is the most innovative approach to an new OS Microsoft has come up with since moving fully to a GUI interface and mouse.. Since the release of Windows 95 and its subsequent merger with the NT kernel in Windows XP, each new version of Windows has simply taken what Windows does already, and try to make it better... Cough cough, I did say TRY.

    With the wind blowing toward portable touch UI, Microsoft is making a truly bold attempt to merge all the trending markets into one common UI. i.e. Windows Phone 8 will feel like Windows Tablet interfaces will feel like Windows 8 PC interfaces... All three devices will simply feel like smaller or larger version of the same computing experience.

    Will it work?? Hopefully.. After all, if you don't like the new touch/homepage, you can opt for the normal Windows 7 look.
  • just4U - Friday, July 20, 2012 - link

    I thought they were making it so you couldn't do that BSMonitor.. ??? (moving back to a more traditional interface I mean..) I read that a few months ago. Reply
  • SlyNine - Friday, July 20, 2012 - link

    I wouldn't mind at all, if I could make it the default. I like the windows environment. I think their are plenty of people like me, that doesn't want to spend time navigating to windows and would rather it just pop right up. Reply
  • Omoronovo - Saturday, July 21, 2012 - link

    The issue is you have no choice, unlike what you said in your last sentence. You can still USE the desktop, you simply have no choice in whether or not to use the metro interface for launching applications not pinned to the taskbar.

    Additionally, you can change a setting to have it default to the desktop, but Microsoft int heir ultimate wisdom disabled it from functioning in all but server 2012.
  • p05esto - Saturday, July 21, 2012 - link

    You must be a MS PR troll. No Anandtech reader would say they like using win8 on the desktop.... I have not yet met a single advanced computer user who thinks Win8 UI is a step forward from any perspective. Different yes, better? NO WAY. Reply
  • Belard - Sunday, July 22, 2012 - link

    It wouldn't be the first time... :)

    I remember catching an HP PR Troll last year who was on Tomshardware and Bestbuy websites. He posted the exact same PR garbage about how he couldn't wait to buy the HP Touchpad and all its glorious features, how fast and beautiful it is... blah blah.

    His posts were removed from Toms' :)
  • Belard - Sunday, July 22, 2012 - link

    PS: I like all the improvements added to Windows8... it runs great out of the "box"... what I HATE about Win8 negates everything good about it.

    1 - Metro, shoved down your throat - no matter how many times you say no.
    2 - Hidden half-ass start button (why hide a button you need to push with your finger or mouse click?)
    3 - Metro-ized desktop UI, all the buttons are there, just flat and ugly... with no option for Win7 style. *
    4 - No retail version
    5 - 5-pak OEM versions - ONLY! MS wants to kill off the DIY.

    * Aero in Win8 v.8440 looks quite nice, they toned down the shading/3D effect and it looks smooth and slick. I thought it looks very nice... gone.

    I will NOT ever install Win8 on my computers, even if it was a free legit copy.
  • jnr0077 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - link

    hahahahahha love it i was starting to think why have they made a terrible os then it hit me they wanna make more money so they tryed to make it look like apple

    I will NOT ever install Win8 on my computers, even if it was a free copy without them charging you top cash for a rubbish os
  • SlyNine - Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - link

    What is so innovative about this??? What can this do that windows couldn't????

    I really don't want my desktop PC to feel like I'm using a phone.
  • jnr0077 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - link

    never mind that they gonna try and charge money to wtf :) totally agree with you nice 1 :) Reply
  • HisDivineOrder - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    ...that they don't have a lot of confidence in this product. I don't blame them. There's a lot of hatred out there. And a lot of great reasons for it. Now I'm also of the opinion that charging $100+ for an upgrade to a license you already own is and was always ridiculous, but I guess they could get away with it because we were the idiots buying it.

    Now in a world where iOS and Android upgrades happen behind the scenes for free, where OS X is $20 for an upgrade, they feel they can ONLY mark the upgrade pricing up by 100% over OS X and sell it for $40 (for a limited time).

    I predict they extend this pricing longer than just the timeframe they've set so far. I also suspect they'll find a lot of success from people who just upgrade because, "Well, I can DEAL with it and it's 'only' $40!" I'm sure by then I'll probably fall into that category. I don't like a lot of things about Windows 8 (mostly loss of start menu which was more ideal to me on a 2560x1600 screen since it didn't swallow up the whole screen to give me an app list or lose me the precision of a start button versus "that corner", lack of customization and the deliberate, active intent of MS to limit ability to make your own start button impossible, shoving Windows app store in my face to replace true multitasking with bitasking as if that's superior).

    Despite that, Windows 8 does have some things I'd like. The kernel will better support AMD-style CPU cores and potentially all hyperthreading, it has a lot better file transfer messages and functionality (ability to pause certain transfers to let other transfers happen first which I could replicate with a third party application though I find myself not trusting them as much), and I don't mind the ribbon (that can be minimized) functionality of Explorer since it seems to take up less space (minimized). I don't mind so much the loss of Aero since transparency and translucency were things I typically disabled anyway on Windows 7, but taking away the option to have it is a loss (even if it's not one to me).

    Given all of the bad press and the likelihood that people are going to upgrade and be very shocked, horrified, annoyed by the things that take longer to do or take up more space on Windows 8 than they did on Windows 7.

    So a $40 price is probably the most they could charge and still have customers not screaming on every forum, every board, every youtube blog they could find.
  • Paul Tarnowski - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    If I understand it right, the license is down-gradable. So if that is the case I most likely will be using it to upgrade a bunch of XP machines to Windows 7.

    I would still move personally to Window 8 mostly because I really like some of the under-the-hood changes. I've gotten used to so many changes in computing in the last 20 years that I'm sure I could switch over to the start screen. Besides, it all works a little differently when you have 3 monitors.
  • GotThumbs - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    While you have some good points...

    You seem to be overlooking the simple fact that Apple is NOT just a software company. They make so much $$$$ selling you their hardware...that a 40.00 upgrade should really be free if stop to think about the total investment you've made using Apple products.

    I think the fact that MS is coming out with their own tablet.....speaks to the simple recognition that Apple is making a KILLING by controlling not only the Hardware, but the software and the content access of its secured ecosystem. There is not one orifice that Apple is not squeezing money from its collective. Any company who doesn't see that Apple has successfully captured the interest of consumers who are more than willing to give away their options of choices and competitive market prices....its like Zombie land in real life. The average general consumer is fine having less freedom if its fashionable. How many Apple owners even have a remedial understanding of technology beyond the GUI?

    Apple has a cult like following and they have used that power to manipulate its followers to continually buy rehashed units of the same products they already own...for the sake of a camera or a higher resolution screen. Forget the fact that its larger and heverir than its predecessor...and makes a good coffee warmer as well. (IPAD3 for you who haven't a clue)

    If the public is willing to assimilate to this kind of controlled/restrictive ecosystem....then why would you not start to follow suit?

    When a fool and their money is easily parted....who to you blame? The fool or the person/company taking full advantage of that fool?
  • GotThumbs - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    Actually...I'd say that Apple is NOT a software company at all.

    You can't buy and use their OS on any hardware other than Apple's. Its in thier licensing.

    Hacintoshes are all but gone... except for those few hackers.....and I expect Apple will be more than happy to file suit on them for millions. Try and purchase Apples OS separately and without an ITunes account. You can't.
  • BSMonitor - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    Except that NOTHING productive truly gets done on Android and iOS platforms. Mac OS does charge for their upgrades, but it too is a niche...

    Microsoft cannot give away the technology that is the backbone for everyone in this generations' computing experience.
  • Azethoth - Friday, July 20, 2012 - link

    Right, nothing truly productive gets done on my iPad.

    All technical manuals and books I now keep and read only on the iPad do not count for this of course. Especially not the pdf's for obscure or obsolete hardware.

    Making doctor appointments and getting prescription refills quickly and accurately with my iOS devices any time of the day: not productive.

    Reading AnandTech and Ars Technica at Starbucks so I can keep up with stuff: not productive.

    A device that is finally good enough for me to bother with calendar appointments, reminders and electronic todo lists: priceless.
  • p05esto - Saturday, July 21, 2012 - link

    You can CONSUME content, but you can not CREATE content on a tablet. Your idea of productive is making a doctor appt and reading Anandtech, lol. What a bubble head. Reply
  • Belard - Sunday, July 22, 2012 - link

    So what? Most of the time... we are NOT creating content.

    I've posted messages here from my iPad, while laying down on my bed relaxing... even thou my Win8 desktop with quad-core intel, 24" monitor is in the same room.

    We use our iPads for business as well, as its much easier to work with than a notebook computer... and we don't need anything more to get the job done.

    tablets are simple devices... they don't have the bloat of a desktop OS, they have their place.
  • bull2760 - Thursday, July 19, 2012 - link

    Ignorance is bliss! There is far less hatred than you think, and studies showed Microsoft that the traditional smart button was being used far less in favor of pinning apps to the taskbar. God I'm tired of reading winey little babies cry about the new interface. Hey let's stick with the ISA bus and legacy 16 bit cards too. While your at it lets move back to single core processor since 90% of the software out there can't take advantage of the extra cores anyway. Buy the stock now boys and girls cause Microsoft is gonna start a whole new way we interact with computers and mobile devices. Reply
  • Azethoth - Friday, July 20, 2012 - link

    Tell it like it is bull2760. I for one cannot wait for the bloody irritating windows start button to die an unnatural death. What a useless waste of time interface metaphor it is. Reply
  • jnr0077 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - link

    the windows start menu button has allways been there the guy/woman who changed this must have worked on vista aswell and needs sacking
    win 8 will fail just like vista :)
  • SlyNine - Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - link

    Ohh good for you. So because some study showed its not being used much means that its not effective??

    You act like this is a move forward. At BEST its different, at worst it will slow people down.

    Other than that your argument is just an ad hominem attack. Plus your analogies are shit and completely irrelevant.
  • jnr0077 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - link

    they all ready did windows 7 is brilliant we just need cheep touch screen monitor so people can enjoy what they know and love Reply
  • jabber - Friday, July 20, 2012 - link

    ...but you know I have zero excitement for this instalment.

    I'll buy some cheap release copies to pass on to customers at a later date but I doubt I'll be using it.

    I ran with the previous 8 Beta on a old tablet laptop for a while. I then installed the current Beta but then only used it for a day before putting it away.

    Just not the 'must have' leap that 7 had over XP and Vista. Just feels like a modded and hamstrung Windows 7 to me.
  • p05esto - Saturday, July 21, 2012 - link

    Microsoft, you better be thinking REAL hard about allowing a classic interface without that horrid start screen and Metro UI. This is a critical decision point for you, things will go very bad if you push out Win8 as is.... a revolt like you've never seen will be upon you. It won't be pretty, could be deadly to the company in fact. Reply
  • Belard - Sunday, July 22, 2012 - link

    You going to turn into the giant green monster?

    I think its rather exciting... either its going to be a home-run and generate tablet and WP8 phone sales... or its going to piss-off so many people that they REJECT the tablets and WP8 phones. (as you know, those WP7 phones are NOT flying off the shelves)

    I want to see MS get hit hard on this. They do something this damn stupid - they deserve to look a huge chunk of market share. Win8 piracy = nil... Win7 piracy goes up.
  • jnr0077 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - link

    totally agree with you i thought it is a backward step taking away start menu they need to sack the guy who made this key change Reply
  • Dezireal - Monday, July 23, 2012 - link

    Hey everyone

    To be quite honest we ran the Windows 8 Public Release on demo machine we have here at our shop to get the thoughts of our clients and consumers on the new jump and concept of windows 8

    When windows 7 and Vista was released we battled big time to get our clients to adjust to the new platforms and those that we upgraded onto Windows 7 & Vista we had alot of complaints that certain things were just too complicated and different for them compared to windows XP

    I sat here thinking to myself that Windows 8 will simply just confuse the issue more. Strangely enough quite the opposite has happened, I do realize that the Public Release isnt a complete product, but many of our clients are impressed at the ease of getting things done and quick access to information based off the apps for news, sports and weather and such.

    So for many of end users based in residential areas and what not I feel will be a lot more easier for them as things are some what many simpler for them in that respect.

    Where as for myself I will have to wait for the final product to hit the shelves before I can really speak my mind about it, I am impressed so far by it but will it deliver to me the same experience as windows 7? Allowing me to do more and opening up a better OS to me? or will it turn out to be another vista? False Promises and a disappointment.

    End note is I am excited and I look forward to the release but I just hope that I am not let down by Microsoft.

    They had a lot to make up for with vista and that trust still hasn't fully recovered.

    Enjoy further and go well everyone.
  • jnr0077 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - link

    tryed the beta test 9 months ago as for the new 8 os i had it on my hard drive for 24 hours before formatting it as there no window start menu you got a left or right option it seemed to be they were trying to make it like apple terrible any windows user will tell you dont take away the option of a start menu button as windows 7 is totally brilliant
    i think they though 8 @ the board & it makes me laugh and smile were did they go wrong :)

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