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  • crispbp04 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Looking forward to WP7.8 on my Titan and Lumia.

    I'll move to WP8 when Verizon releases a Pureview based WP8 device.
  • Patflute - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Looks terrible. Reply
  • inket - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Apps using native code won't run on WP7.8. Reply
  • Malih - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    So that made me postpone my plan to purchase a new Lumia, I'll just stick to my ICS device. Reply
  • Ethaniel - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    I guess they never truly learn... Reply
  • crispbp04 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    This is not considered fragmentation. Fragmentation occurs when you have several different incompatible software versions capable of running on the SAME hardware platform.

    This is the exact opposite. NFC is a core feature of WP8 and WP7 devices don't qualify to run it.

    It's not even worth explaining any further.
  • bplewis24 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    That exact same circumstance happens on Android, and people scream "FRAGMENTATION" to anybody that will listen. Reply
  • Articuno - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Replace "Android 2.2/2.3" with "WP7" and "Android 4.0" with "WP8" and nothing changes.

    What a joke current Microsoft is.
  • zorxd - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Except that many android 2.3 phones were upgraded to 4. Not a single WP7 will be upgraded to WP8. Reply
  • Tegeril - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    "Many" is not the word you were looking for. Reply
  • sigmatau - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - link

    So, Apple is worse. Should Microsoft have followed Apples lead and lied to its users? Maybe they should have released WP8 to ALL their phones, even the Windows CE phones but remove so many fucking features like Apple did that it is not the same shit.

    I guess you would be happy if you were able to go into "about your phone" and look at that updated number to the new OS? And that's it?
  • dagamer34 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    That's like expecting a Pentium II to run Windows 8, because darn it, Microsoft has the money to just make it work! Old hardware is not supported for good reason. Reply
  • andrewaggb - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link


    Odds are pretty good that running the wp8 on a single core device would suck.

    You'd be complaining the ui is laggy and unresponsive and there's no longer enough memory to run your applications and not enough space on your phone to install apps anymore.

    It happened to apple, it's happened to many of the android phones.

    7.8 isn't 8, but it's better than nothing which is actually what I expected.
  • raulr - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    What if it a top of the line PC you bought last week? Would you expect it to run Windows 8 well?

    Now what if you bought the current WP flagship phone, the Nokia Lumina 900 last week?

    I don't have a WP device, but I wouldn't be happy if I bought one of their best models on a 2 year contract and MS did this. At least from WP8 forward, they are committing to at least 18 months of software updates. Sucks to have been an early supporter (or even recent supporter) of the platform though.
  • nikon133 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    It doesn't mean that WP 7.x will stop being supported. It just means it will run parallel to WP8.

    In fact I'm pretty sure WP7.x will be around for a while, moving down the ladder to be entry level WP experience. Maybe even replacing remaining Symbian phones at Nokia in time (though I think Nokia already said they will stick with Asha platform for a while).

    I didn't buy Lumia 800/900 recently, but I'm still considering to; they looked as perfect phones for my needs, and simple fact that something more powerful is out there doesn't make them less useful for me. And price will dip down, which cannot be bad.
  • haukionkannel - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Indeed. wp 7.5 has been very good with single core prosessors. And if wp 7.8 is better there will be new wp 7.8 phones many years!

    What wp does 8 offer is multicore support and higher screen resolution. All thing that benefits nothing in older phones.

    I think that you are right in there: in the future we will get
    wp 8.x for high end (upper middle class) phones and
    wp 7.x for low end and low middle range phones
  • themossie - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - link

    Except native C++ apps for WP8 won't run on WP7.8, splitting developer efforts between both platforms... Reply
  • sigmatau - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    I could give a rats ass. I was in the same boat as you lost souls. I wanted the top of the line phone with all the bells and whistles so I got a GS2 when it was first available on AT&T. Boy was I dissapointed.

    I just got a Lumia 900 last week and it makes my GS2 look like a fisher price toy. The Lumia actualy works like I would expect. Not 1-3 second delay when I hit the power button. No 1-3 second delay when I'm hitting the end call button. I don't believe I have ever been able to end a call before the person on the other end did on by POS GS2. The screen rotation on the Lumia works perfectly. The GS2 seemed to clunk through it after.... you guess it a 1-2 second delay.

    The hardware on the GS2 is total crap too. The small power button was the worst on any phone I've ever used. I'd have to hit it 2-3 times to get it to work. The phone can actualy flex as it is made of patheticaly cheap materials. My inner screen broke but the outer screen and the whole phone has not one scratch on it.

    As for updates? Are you kidding me? I bought my phone in October. One month prior to ICS. The GS2 was the top of the line phone in October. It's the middle/end of June and still absolutely bull shit from Samsung.

    Anyways, I don't care, Samsung can shove their GS3 up their collective asses. I have a real smartphone now. The Lumia 900 is beyond elegant.

    The Lumia has its own shortcommings but nothing like Samsung phones.
  • sigmatau - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Oh, and don't you dare tell me my phone was defective. I took it to get checked out at At&t and apparently that's how horrible the phone is supposed to act.

    I can't fault AT&T. I was thinking of other options until they reset my contract a full year ahead of scheduled so I wouldn't have to pay an upgrade fee. Also no activation fee.

    AT&T is awesome. I feel sorry for people on other carriers.
  • hamsterkiller - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - link

    There are tons of SGS2 out here, I had one, switch recently, my girlfriend, at least 4 on my office.

    Never see a phone that you press the power button and simply wait 1-3 seconds till screen appears, not SGS2, really, I can't remember any phone doing this.

    Never failed to press power button in SGS2 (really, I can only remember a few years ago with BlackBerry Pearl...)

    I must admit that screeen rotation is faster on Lumia 800 (don't have a 900 near me), but 1-3 seconds will be on your world, where miliseconds are converted to infinite seconds of wait...

    If u wanna, can try to ask all teammates to put all SGS2 in the table and show how many time they need to press power button, rotate screen or ending a call.

    But as you are a troll, you must know real times, not your imaginary endless time...

    I must admit that Lumia 800 feels faster on basic actions like ending a call or rotate screen.

    SGS2 is the lightest phone I know, and never feel that it will break, Lumia 800 feels very solid too, not comparable with iPhone4, that looks much more fragile.
  • sigmatau - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - link

    If I am a troll then you are a fool.

    The buttons on the GS2 are horrible. They barely move. If you have a case on the phone they barely work.

    The GS2 is terrible compared to HTC phones. Maybe it's the Touchwiz. The phone will play a game great but can't do simple functions smoothly. I don't want a fisher price toy, I want a phone that can get me through work and be an ease to use.

    But hey, you are such a fool you can't take your head out your ass.

    The GS2 with so much horsepower is half as smooth as my Nokia Lumia. How is that possible? I just love how you have to wait up to a year for updates on a flagship phone and people are on here complaining about not getting every feature in windows phone 8?

    You guys are a hoot!
  • sigmatau - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - link

    You mean like Apples fucking horrible iOS? Let's see, the 3g previous models cant get any updates. The 3GS that every one talks about getting updates has been a junk phone since iOS 4. I am sure iOS6 with more features will be magicaly smoother somehow!!!! The iphone 4 doesn't have many of the features that made the 4s so much better to the fanboys.

    So basicaly you are stuck with one stupid piece of shit 4s that can get the full update. I wonder what features will be missing on the 4s when iOS6 with the iphone 5 arrives.

    Your post is utter nonsense.
  • rocketbuddha - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Serves E(F)lop well. No Windows 8 update to the current most powerful, strongest selling Windows phone. Basically Lumia 900 is a dead duck. Already DT (parent company of TMo released and sheepishly walked back. But cat is out of the bag now.)

    Expect Nokia to release profit warning again.
  • ZmaxDP - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - link

    I hope that you and Anand will use your influence in the community to tell Microsoft that they need to do something to reward their early adopters. I purchased a Lumia 900 as soon as it came out, and now I will basically have to purchase a windows phone 8 device out of contract (at full price) if i want to work with the professional applications that are in development for windows phone 8. I've talked to the software companies we interact with (Autodesk for instance) and most of them are writing WP8 and W8 apps. But, my two month old phone will never get to run them. It is what it is, but I sure hope Microsoft works with the carriers to lessen the burden on us early adopters so that a WP8 device isn't 800 bucks out of pocket. Reply
  • Wonga - Monday, June 25, 2012 - link

    I don't mean to sound patronising, but you should always buy a piece of hardware for what it is advertised as doing today, not what it might be able to do tomorrow.

    My phone is only 18 months old and will never get an upgrade beyond Android 2.2, but that won't stop me from buying HTC again. It still does everything it did when I bought it.
  • steven75 - Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - link

    "I don't mean to sound patronising, but you should always buy a piece of hardware for what it is advertised as doing today, not what it might be able to do tomorrow."

    Or you could go with a vendor that has a proven track record of updating devices for 2+ years like Apple.

    Microsoft and Google aren't playing in a void where Apple doesn't exist.
  • rabidpeach - Tuesday, February 05, 2013 - link

    I've read the comment thread and many are yelping "fragmentation" while the other side says "it's still a good phone, you liked it when you bought it"

    While I agree, no one mentions that there will not be a single developer writing backwards-compatible code for windows phone 8 and 7. Whilst you may be able to write 7 apps that run on 8, you will not be able to write a smooth 8 app that uses all those fancy new apis (that will run on all the pro and rt tablets) and hope it goes back to 7.

    As far as android fragmentation goes, it seems to me that whilst many are stuck on v2.2, it can still run many apps in the app store. Many of these apps still get updated.

    The windows phone 7 store is now in stasis. We (early adopters) will never have any cool new apps that appear for android/iphone. We will never get any old apps that had yet to be ported. We're stuck. Android 2.2 keeps chugging on...

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