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  • ajp_anton - Saturday, June 09, 2012 - link

    Great for transporting you and your PC to LAN parties. Reply
  • augiem - Saturday, June 09, 2012 - link

    You'll have to play the games from the good ol' days since stuff like SC2 are web-only now. I guess that's fine though since the older games are more fun anyway. Reply
  • JMC2000 - Saturday, June 09, 2012 - link

    The PC-D8000 is like the spiritual successor to the old PC-343B. With dual 2.5"-3.5" adapters (and removal of the hot swap parts), one could hold at least 52 drives! Now, if 1+TB SSDs came in reasonable prices...

    I also really like that X2000FN, it looks somewhat better than the original X2000.
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  • web2dot0 - Saturday, June 09, 2012 - link

    I don't get why people get these types of cases. Why not just get a Supermicro Chassis? They're got cases in 2U factors carrying all the drives you want and everything you need. Why in the world would someone want all these drives for personal use? Reply
  • espaghetti - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    media server Reply
  • web2dot0 - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    Do you really need 26x3TB drives for your media server? You can't seriously think this is a realistic setup. The power requirement to power all these drives and backing that up is just not realistic for personal use.

    Even for workstation purpose .... why not just get a rack server and connect to it via WLAN or Ethernet? Seems very silly to me.
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  • Brandenburgh_Man - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    "Do you really need 26x3TB drives for your media server? You can't seriously think this is a realistic setup. The power requirement to power all these drives and backing that up is just not realistic for personal use."

    Even 7200rpm hard drives don't draw more than 12 watts each while operating. A good 1000w power supply with lots of SATA port expanders can easily handle dozens of drives, with power to spare.

    And nobody in the consumer market backs up huge data collections. What we do is buy professional controller cards with RAID 6 redundancy. That way, we could have any two drives fail simultaneously, and still not lose our data sets. Professional datacenters gave up on RAID 5 years ago, because what they found was that, sometimes while they were rebuilding a failed drive, they'd have a 2nd drive go bad on them before the array finished rebuilding. That caused them to lose the entire data set, and have to replace both drives and rebuild the dataset from tape backups, which turned out to be a very long and painful process. So RAID 6 is now the norm, and consumers with large datasets (like us Home Theater users) are following their example. There are even versions of Linux that allow 3 or more drives for redundancy, thus making it even less likely that anyone would ever have to have a "tertiary" form of backup, like tape. Someday I myself may do this, but for now I'm still in the Windows camp, which only supports RAID 6.

    I've been collecting hi-def movies and TV shows for 12 years now. Four years ago I built a new computer using the old Lian-Li 343B double wide case, which can hold 24 hard drives in the front, and 6 more in the back above the power supply. At the time I thought it would take 10 years to fully populate it with hard drives, but just four years later I'm realizing that by the end of 2012 I will need to build a new system using a custom configured version of the Case Labs TX10 case that can eventually be expanded to hold 104 hard drives.

    I started out 4 years ago with an Areca controller card that has 4GB of on-board cache and can handle 24 drives internally, plus 4 more drives on an external port. Beginning with eight 750GB Seagate drives in a RAID 6 array, I transferred my video collection from three old machines to this new one. (Took over a day to transfer just 4TB of data over a Gigabit LAN connection.)

    But before the end of the first year I wound up adding eight 1.5TB Seagate drives in a 2nd RAID 6 array. During the 2nd year I expanded the 2nd Seagate array by adding yet another eight 1.5TB Seagate drives. This brought me up to 24 hard drives, maxing out the internal ports on the Areca controller card.

    In the 3rd year I replaced the eight 750GB drives with twelve Hitachi 3TB drives, again using RAID 6. To do this, I had to buy a special expander cable to use the external port for those last four drives, winding up with a total of 28 hard drives on a single Areca controller card (16 1.5TB Seagate drives in RAID 6, and 12 3TB Hitachi's, also in RAID 6.)

    By the end of this year (2012) I will have to buy a 2nd Areca controller card and more drives. Don't know yet if I will be buying another eight or twelve 3TB drives, or biting the bullet and going for 4TB drives. Either way, I can't possibly fit any more drives in the Lian-Li 343b case, but fortunately, Case Labs has the new TX10 that will hopefully last for the rest of my life. With the right motherboard, I could eventually have four Areca cards and 104 internal hard drives. But hard drives don't last forever (and yes, I've had a few fail on me and need to be replaced in the last few years), so by the time I finish populating the second Areca card I will certainly have replaced the 16 1.5TB Seagate drives with something newer - whether it's 3TB, 4TB or 5TB drives will depend on price and availability.

    So - hopefully I will never really need 4 Areca cards. That in itself would require a 2nd redundant power supply and, since I never turn the computer off (I'm always downloading stuff from the multimedia news servers), it would definitely have an impact on my electric bill.

    But I'm hoping that by replacing old hard drives every two or three years with higher capacity models, I've never outgrow two Areca cards (keeping fingers crossed).

    I realize I'm in a niche market, but I know other people with their own huge collections, spread out among half a dozen computers, and they're all planning on consolidating their collections into a single machine like I did. Just as the market for SLI and Crossfire configurations is small, the market for Home Theater "Datacenters in a box" is also small. But it's certainly not non-existent.
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  • SlyNine - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link

    FlexRaid is great for media backups. You will only EVER lose the data on the drives that failed, you can have as many parity drives as you want and you don't have to rebuild anything to add more drives. Reply
  • Aikouka - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    I typically organize my hard drives with space in between them like they show in the D8000's photo. Considering that this halves the number of hard drives (only 10 in the photo vs. 20 available slots), you'll see why copious amounts of room is a good thing. Reply
  • SlyNine - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link

    I have 16TB of space. It's pretty much 70% full right now and I plan on trippling my storage in 2 years. Reply
  • JMC2000 - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    Everyone has different tastes, and in fact that 2U chassis would end up noisier than the PC-D8000.

    Why do you think Case Labs makes what they make, or why Lian-Li made the PC-343B?
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  • MrSpadge - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    Using 52 1+TB SSDs sounds quite stupid. Whatever you do with these drives, you're certainly better off with some sort or storage tiering: a couple of SSDs for the frequently used data, HDDs for the rest. Reply
  • JMC2000 - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    If you would have actually READ my post, you would see that I didn't say 52 SSDs, I said it could hold at least 52 drives (for example 52+ enterprise 2.5" HDDs). Yes, I know to use tiered storage... Reply
  • Solidstate89 - Saturday, June 09, 2012 - link

    I haven't read or heard about any possible new cases from Silverstone this year. I guess it was too much to hope for a true successor to the FT02.

    As for Lian Li; they once are showing some absolutely stunning minimalist designs. But I think they've officially lost it with that train design.
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  • Flunk - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    It's all marketing and in marketing it's all about being memorable. Which guys were they... they were the guys with the train case. Reply
  • PhoenixEnigma - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    "...there is even room for a slim optical drive behind the cow catcher. "

    I imagine this is not a sentence you had ever imagined yourself writing prior to this article! Don't suppose there's any word on rail gauge, either?
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  • Kevin G - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link

    My biggest issue with the PC-D8000 isn't its doublewide form factor but where the motherboard is placed inside of it. Looking at the pictures you can see that the motherboard isn't in the middle but rather at the deepest point. Ideally the case would have the motherboard in the middle with things like the PSU or radiators mounted behind it. Reply
  • Guspaz - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link

    I'd rather that the case simply had two columns of nine 5.25" bays, and let the user supply their own 3x5.25" hotswap bays. Depending on the desired density, the user could put anywhere from 18 to 30 drives in hotswap bays in such a configuration. On the low end you could use 1x5.25" -> 1x3.5" hotswap bays, on the high end you could use 3x5.25" -> 5x3.5" hotswap bays. Reply
  • davephan - Sunday, June 17, 2012 - link

    You could backup the large system, but you need to have a second or third large system, depending on how many copies you want to make to protect the data. You could use a tape library to back it up too. Ideally, you should have at least the original system plus two copies. But you should have at least one backup copy of the original system as a bare minimum.

    You can reduce costs for the backup system if you use unRAID. UnRAID is slow to write, but is a good choice for storing large amounts of video content.

    When your video storage exceeds a couple of terabytes, you will have so much video that you will physically never have enough time to watch more than a tiny fraction of your stored library. But, you can continue to save the videos and don't have to delete them.

    This all comes down to how much is enough? Each of us have our own limits. Even if you use RAID 6, some or all of the data could be gone someday. When that happens, it is usually gone fast. You have to access how much is the data worth to you to protect it. If it was business, you would have to throw money at the problem to protect the data. Otherwise, you would be out of business if the data was lost. For home use, you have to decide how much risk you are willing to accept, and live with the risks if a data loss event occurs.

    Dave
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  • ypsylon - Tuesday, June 19, 2012 - link

    Why oh why Lian Li you can't force yourself to make case like D8000 but with horizontal motherboard tray? All your competitors (big cases - 2W) have at least one. Mountain Mods, Danger Den, XSPC, CASELABS.

    It will simplify greatly anything done inside. Prevent motherboard cracking with too much stress from multiple VGAs or big coolers.So incredibly simple! And only 6 5.25 bays. Anyone going with RAID have plenty of backplanes. I smell a lot of DIY...

    Still I will get it at earliest opportunity.
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