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  • semo - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    You guys need to concentrate a lot more on monitors that have DP. There must be plenty of budget displays out there with DP so why do you keep choosing the ones without! Reply
  • SteveTheWalrus - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    this one was supposed to, but didn't...

    and why should they focus on DP anyways, at least for now its not very common.
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  • mczak - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    This monitor has 4 inputs, but only one is really useful for driving it at native resolution (it may or may not work over the VGA inputs but clearly you don't want to do that, and while 2560x1440 is doable over hdmi with newer hdmi standard I've yet to see a monitor which can actually do it, not to mention on the graphic card side almost noone can do it neither). Plus DL-DVI gets out of fashion too - new amd graphic cards only have one such port, not to mention for instance intel igps whose dvi outputs are never dual-link and can drive such resolutions only over DP. So for a monitor of this class the input options are not really useful.
    Not that it matters, the broken brightness handling (inability to control backlight, which both leads to bad picture and higher than necessary power draw) completely disqualifies this device to be taken seriously anyway.
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  • cheinonen - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Right, while the HDMI 1.4 standard allows for higher resolutions, the main issue is that lots of the transmitter chips don't have support for that resolution in them, so most vendors are then stuck designing their own chip (expensive) or sticking to lower resolutions over HDMI. Now that ATI and NVIDIA are supporting it, I'm guessing we will see support for it over HDMI in the future. Reply
  • Menty - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    I've yet to meet a single person who uses DP for connecting their machine to their monitor - and that includes Mac users. Most of them use mini-DP to HDMI/DVI converters. DP is just a fad, no doubt once Apple comes up with the next "best interface ever", it'll disappear like all the others. Reply
  • Fleeb - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    How is DP a fad?

    "...doubt once Apple comes up with the next "best interface ever"..."

    You mean like Firewire?
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  • Kaldor - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    I had to laugh when you said this.

    I have a buddy who is a PC user but is going to school for graphics design, video and such. The instructors swear up and down that he needs a Firewire external HD because the all macs have Firewire ports. His home PC does as well, but as I explained to him, he would be screwed if he needed to hook up to any other PC that doesnt have Firewire. I strongly urged him to buy a USB3 enclosure, and tell the instructors to pull their heads outta their ......
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  • mtekr - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    ... and now all the portables, minus the 17" MBP, have USB3. Reply
  • futurepastnow - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    And the "Retina" Macbook Pro doesn't have a Firewire port at all. Reply
  • Bownce - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link

    THUNDERBOLT! Reply
  • esSJae - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link

    FireWire was the only solution for external hard drives until USB 2 came out. I had FW on my Dell work laptop back in 2002.

    FireWire was also great because you could chain devices together.
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  • Zoomer - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    nVidia, AMD and Intel have all committed to DP. They will start the phase out of DVI, probably by going to just 1 TMDS per card. Why get something that's going to be a 2nd class interface standard really soon?

    Most cards, even lower end ones, have come with DP for years now.
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  • Guspaz - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    My current videocard has DP. My current monitor (a Dell U2711) has DP. My monitor came with a DP cable. As a result, I'm using DP to connect my monitor.

    There is, however, one major downside: if both HDMI and DP plugs are connected to an nVidia card, it boots on the HDMI port. This means that on my computer, I only see the BIOS and boot screens on my home theatre projector, not my LCD monitor... this is really dumb.
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  • Zoomer - Saturday, June 16, 2012 - link

    It's a software issue that will be fixed. Maybe ask nvidia/your card manufacturer? Reply
  • Dug - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Thunderbolt uses the same connection as display port (mini) so I don't see it going away. Reply
  • SodaAnt - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Well, I am that one person. I have a Dell Precision m4600 that I connect to my Dell u3011 with a displayport cable, no adapters involted. Reply
  • LordOfTheBoired - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    I use DP. And I adopted it before Apple did.
    It's a good standard, and it deserves more support than it's getting right now.

    Also, Apple's new "best interface ever" is Thunderbolt. Which... uses DP for video, and the now-standard mini-DP connector.
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  • InsaneScientist - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Every single person I know who has a WQXGA (2560x1600) or WQHD (1560x1440) monitor (myself included) has it connected using Display Port.
    HDMI never seems to work despite the fact that HDMI 1.4 supposedly will, and dual-link DVI (as already mentioned) is a pain since you have to make sure that the port that you're connecting to is dual link and the cable is dual link...

    An $8 Display Port cable just works... assuming that the monitor supports it.

    Oh, and none of the people I know with monitors at that resolution are mac users, ironically enough.
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  • JarredWalton - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link

    Apparently everyone with a 30" WQXGA or 27" WQHD display that you know also purchased their displays relatively recently (last couple of years). I've got a 30" display and it's using DL-DVI; same goes for most others with 30" displays that I've met (all five or so of them!) But for newer displays yes, DP is becoming far more mainstream. Reply
  • Voo - Saturday, June 16, 2012 - link

    Actually I do use DL-DVI on my relatively new Dell U3011 - why?

    Because Dell included the DVI cable but no DP cable in the package and I really don't see any advantages in DP over DL-DVI.
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  • esSJae - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link

    3 monitors? I use DP for my main monitor on my AMD 6970, DVI for the other 2.
    6 monitors? Better have DP.
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  • dertechie - Monday, June 18, 2012 - link

    Anyone using Eyefinity is using either DP or an expensive DP to X converter. Given what those cost, a lot of us just use DP if we picked up the 3rd monitor in the last 3-4 years.

    DP has a lot more support than just Apple. It's cheaper on the transmitter side than DVI or HDMI (and probably VGA by now), so such insignificant players as AMD, NVidia and Intel are dropping legacy connectors as quickly as they can get away with it. Much less penetration on the monitor side of things though.
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  • cheinonen - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Well, the specs said it had DisplayPort, but really we were trying to do a round up of as many 27", 2560x1440 models as possible. There aren't too many of them out there but this was one of them. Reply
  • Mitch89 - Saturday, June 16, 2012 - link

    I'm also a little confused about this sentence:

    "... the DS-277W is to make a monitor that can work with all of your devices, not just your computer. It has multiple AV inputs (HDMI, Component) for your Blu-ray player or video game systems, and there are integrated speakers for audio from these devices as well. "

    The Dell U2711 has DisplayPort, 2x DVI, VGA, HDMI, Component and even composite connections, and has been out for quite some time (updating previous 27" Dells that had similar connectivity).

    It would seem if multimedia and all-round connectivity is the priority, then the Dell has this thing beat.

    That's without considering Dell's excellent exchange warranty.
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  • cheinonen - Saturday, June 16, 2012 - link

    In the conclusion I mention the Dell U2711 and that if you need that connectivity, you should buy the Dell instead. I see no reason to pick the DS-277W over the Dell, or really any other 27", and mention that in the conclusion. Reply
  • damianrobertjones - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    All these screens really need to start featuring touch Reply
  • Voo - Saturday, June 16, 2012 - link

    Yep stretching your whole body so that you get into touch range of your 30" monitor (you hardly sit 20cm away from one do you?) and then having to deal with all those fingerprints and smears sounds PERFECT! Can't wait for this totally useless feature that will probably double the price of monitors. Reply
  • Jedi2155 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Yamasaki Catleap, which is a potentially 120 Hz capable 27" IPS display, but I've been really wanting to get one once the people organizing it, can get some more built. I would love an Anandtech review on it as well. I already plan on getting one as soon as they are available, so I don't need you guys to tell me to get one, but it would be good to get more manufacturers on the 120 Hz PC bandwagon that isn't a 3D TN based display....

    http://120hz.net/content.php
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  • anishannayya - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but don't you really need to push 120+ FPS to discern the benefits of 120hz? How could you do this when you are already trying to drive the display at 1440p? Furthermore, once you SLI cards, don't you restrict the maximum hz a display can be set at?

    Sure, you could do it when you aren't gaming, but what is the point of that? Making your cursor move more "smoothly"? Does it even matter unless you are gaming?
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  • MamiyaOtaru - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Not every game is Crysis. There are plenty of games that a modern card can render at 120+ fps Reply
  • anishannayya - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Remember, this is 1440p we are talking about. I don't know many games that a single card card can push past 120 hz. At least games that would benefit from 120 hz (FPS). Reply
  • DarkUltra - Tuesday, June 19, 2012 - link

    At high resolution you are limited by texture mapping and pixel shader performance. I turn off MSAA and set detail levels to high and Crysis 2 looks almost the same, but runs at 100-120 fps. Much easier to enjoy the action and everything looks more solid when I look around.

    http://jooh.no/index.php/2012/06/17/120hz-monitor-...

    This is at 1920x1080 on a geforce gtx 580 and of course 120hz. If I manage to get a 1440p 120hz monitor I might need a gtx 680, it has twice as many texture mapping units. I wish 3D card reviews would test what gpu, cpu and settings you would need to get 120fps in games.

    Every game I've tried benefits from 120hz/fps except old games that cannot render the graphics and mouse cursor faster than 30/60fps like Baldur's Gate and Diablo. Smoother, more precise mouse cursor and panning in RTS games also benefits greatly from 120hz/fps. Even games like C&C 3 that are locked at 30fps can since the cursor is rendered at its own layer updating at screen refresh.
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  • DanNeely - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Displayport 1.2 has the bandwidth needed to do 2560x1600x120hz. I've seen reviewers report that 120hz was noticeably smoother when scrolling/moving the mouse on the windows desktop; so you should get some benefit from it even if you can't push the FPS that high while gaming. Reply
  • Anubis - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    anand did a quick review of the QH270 lite - which is basically the same as the catleap (same panel just cant be overclocked)
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shi...

    the 120 HZ capable monitors are not really made anymore and you are taking an even bigger gamble with the ones from 120hz IMO

    however even without them doing 120HZ they are one of the best deals out there, you can get 2 for what 1 HP or Dell would cost
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  • Cattykit - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    http://brand.danawa.com/yamakasi
    Above is the one that can be 'overclocked' to do 120hz.

    For those who are interested in various IPS monitors, check the below Korean price search site. There, you'll see tons of IPS monitors with tons of different specs. and price point. It's quite amazing how cheap many of IPS monitors run: 27" 2560x1440 LED one being only $200.

    http://www.danawa.com/product/list.html?defSite=DI...
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  • anishannayya - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Rather useless, considering that the entire website is in Korean. Reply
  • alcortez - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    All of those Korean monitors can be found on Ebay with 2 day shipping for ~$300-350. Reply
  • Snipe3000 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Holy Bezels Batman! Reply
  • DBissett - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    The title of the review suggests it's a pretty good monitor but not the best. The summary pretty much trashes the monitor and I was surprised. Just saying. The alternatives you suggested are good ones. Reply
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    True; I probably should have thought of that before posting for Chris. I've changed it now, as while the display *tries* to do a lot of things and be a "Jack of All Trades", the reality is it fails at pretty much everything it tries. A firmware update could work wonders, but sadly that hasn't happened despite being requested. Reply
  • Gunbuster - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    Why would anyone buy an off brand monitor with a meager 1 year warranty for $950?

    When are they going to figure out there is a group of people that want once step above the catleap. US warranty and a 50% less fugly bezel and stand. for around $450
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  • p05esto - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    How come no large, IPS monitors use LED backlighting? I've been waiting and waiting for this feature. My office gets HOT and I'm trying to convert all lighting to LED and things that don't get so hot. My monitor is the last hot-box that needs to be replaced. For my work I require a large and high quality display, IPS. Reply
  • cheinonen - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    The HP ZR2740w uses LED backlighting and is a 27", 2560x1440 monitor. Lots of the 27" and 30", higher resolution monitors are aimed towards graphics designers and other that are after the AdobeRGB color gamut, and I believe that in the configurations that LG offers the panels in you have your choice of LEDs with sRGB coverage or CCFLs with AdobeRGB coverage. Since people needing AdobeRGB are their target, that is much of the reason for using CCFL over LED I imagine.

    There might be other 27" or 30" models that use LEDs (Apple Cinema Display is one as well I believe), but I don't know them off hand.
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  • Oxford Guy - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link

    That HP also has a constant control backlight instead of a PWM backlight so there is no flicker.

    I've been waiting for Anandtech to mention this in reviews. Some monitors have especially bad flicker, especially at lower brightness levels, because of the way they implement PWM.
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  • vol7ron - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link

    "there was nowhere to put an internal power supply"

    Do you really do that?

    It seems to me that these nice SmartTVs have all the hookups that computers need and the resolution is *starting* to match. With how thin they've gotten, it's questionable how monitor companies are going to continue their lines.
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  • Origin64 - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link

    Why do we need Displayat all? There's nothing it can do that Dual-link DVI can't, as far as I know. It can steer my 1920*1080 120Hz monitor just fine.

    I don't get why everyone needs a new connector every five years. I know why VGA isn't up to todays standards, and I can see why one could want Thunderbolt (daisychaining isn't possible with DVI) even though I prefer to hook everything up directly. But DP is just another useless standard I don't want or need, just like HDMI. Don't want it, don't need it.
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  • cheinonen - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link

    DisplayPort can drive multiple displays using a hub/repeater (if these are even available yet), use a much smaller cable over longer distances than DVI, carry audio as well as USB signals, has no royalty for VESA members (unlike HDMI which has a royalty still I believe), and is better suited for notebooks.

    DVI still works fine for most people, but as fewer people need analog support (one main advantage of DVI over DP) I'd expect to see DVI be replaced by DP for the reasons mentioned above. It's pretty hard to stick a DVI adapter onto a laptop at this point compared to MiniDP.
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  • Zoomer - Saturday, June 16, 2012 - link

    It gets rid of the TMDS, which is getting problematic in silicon. Further, DL-DVI pretty much maxes out at 25601600 @ 60 Hz. There needs to be something that supports a higher res and/or higher refresh. Reply
  • AdamK47 - Saturday, June 16, 2012 - link

    The conclusion states: "there was no way to adjust the backlight that I could find"

    Did you go into the MISC menu and set ECO to 100? That gives full backlight brightness.
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  • jigglywiggly - Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - link

    review that catleap monitor ;x Reply
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