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  • Daniel Egger - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    Seriously guys: What the heck is up with the constant reports about some mobile phones showing up at some US mobile operator together with subsidised prices with unmentioned subscription plans?

    That's really lame for an international site...
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  • mpschan - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    Are you complaining that they create these articles, or that you aren't seeing similar versions for other countries?

    If the former, you do realize that a very large portion of their visitors are from the US and would find this info interesting. What, should they just ignore the announcement?
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  • Daniel Egger - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    > Are you complaining that they create these articles, or that you aren't seeing similar versions for other countries?

    I'm complaining that this is irrelevant marketing blah. There's no even remotely technical information in those announcements and thus they don't belong here IMHO.

    But since you were asking: Over here there ain't no such thing as prices fixed by operators. You can get about any phone with any contract(s) from any dealer for about any price. Apple tried to bring those nonsense fixed prices (free market anyone?!?) over with the iPhone but luckily failed miserably.
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  • Kristian Vättö - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    The launch of pipeline changed things a bit. It opened doors for articles like this and other smaller announcement-like articles. At least I think this is a relevant article because we have posted about Droid 4 before and readers who are interested in it are definitely craving for info on its release and price.

    Don't worry, we haven't forgotten technical stuff, some articles are just less techy than others :-)
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  • JasonInofuentes - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    It's hard sometimes to distill the marketing from the news, or is it the other way around?

    Pipeline is the source for news as it relates to AnandTech's scope of coverage. Sometimes there's news that doesn't have a lot of technical detail to it. On those occasions we strive to provide analysis, clarifying how the news fits in the overall picture.

    In the case of the Droid 4 announcement, I focused on its place in the Android LTE smartphone market, specifically in the US and more specifically as it relates to Verizon Wireless. I nailed down its place as the thinnest QWERTY LTE phone and described how it is similar to the rest of the Motorola stable.

    If you're complaint is simply that we don't cover enough news with an international perspective, then I'll agree but the challenged posed there is how big of a perspective we can feasibly accomplish. Readers in Europe might get bored reading about product pricing and device competitiveness in New Zealand.

    If you're complaint is that we shouldn't cover announcements regarding device sales pricing and availability, then I must respectfully disagree. Ultimately, our readers want to know what they should buy. They can just wait to hear about a phone's release from a commercial, and then wait for our review to make their purchasing decision. But the mobile industry moves at a pace that makes the choice of waiting or not a difficult one. So we're trying to provide more information up front, for those that can't wait.

    We appreciate your comments, and recommendations. And I would personally love to hear how I can alter my coverage to improve your experience. Cheers.
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  • Daniel Egger - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    Regarding this specific article I would have imagined some non-Verizon details:
    - Which networks will the phone be compatible with in general?
    - Where will it be released?
    - When will it be released?
    - What will the MSRP be?

    Just have a look at Apples latest iPhone announcements, they contain all of those details.

    As it stands the article is only useful for future Verizon customers or current ones with the option to extend their contracts. Plus: The title is slightly incomplete; one has to actually read the article to figure out that $199 is the price when you sign up for a Verizon serviceplan at the same time.

    Just out of curiosity: How many of the readers are applicable to this offer? Single digit percentage or even less?
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  • Kristian Vättö - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    Jason can answer rest of the points but I will take the last one on my behalf.

    I don't think our job has ever been to get as many readers as possible, or make sure that every article we post interests as many readers as possible. That often leads to sensationalism, which is something we are totally against. Usually when I write an article, I already know how popular it will be. Then again, I don't write articles in order to get as many views as possible. Some things (e.g. AppliedMicro's announcement of ARMv8 based server SoCs) are very technical and interest me but don't get a lot traffic.

    Also, some articles are non-US as well. Take a look at the White Lumia 800 piece for instance. It will be released in Europe, no idea if US will even get it. As a European, I'm also aware that most US-based sites may concentrate a bit too much on US-only content, but it's also a big market so sometimes a US-only article may be in place.

    This is just my point of view, I can't talk on behalf of other editors. Criticism is always welcome and helps us to improve the site :-)
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  • JasonInofuentes - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    That's up to Motorola, and when word of that is revealed then we will consider posting it. It's safe to say though that since Verizon is the sole licensee to use the Droid name in reference to cell phones then most of our readers will understand the parties referenced in the title.

    I also question your supposition about who this article might interest. Verizon customers whose contracts are up soon are certainly interested. As are any other US smartphone customer who would consider switching to Verizon from whatever other provider they are currently using. We could have extended the focus of the piece and given a full discussion of how this phone fits in the overall US smartphone market, but that would be better placed within a full review.

    I think we should return to the premise of your original post. "So Anandtech is supposed to be international, right?" The answer, is "No," if that means we shouldn't cover the US market. If it means that we should cover the entire global smartphone market, then the answer is, "We'll try."
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  • risa2000 - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know, how many visitors come from which region (US, Europe, Asia, Africa etc.). Maybe then the articles about some US operators launching some US version mobile phone would get into right perspective, also for non-us visitors. Wishing to serve the largest visitor base is definitely valid argument. Reply
  • tayb - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    Such a unique name. Sure to bring further brand recognition to Motorola and spur customer loyalty. So very unlike the Previous versions named Droid, Droid 2, and Droid 3.

    And the specs? How truly innovative!

    I can't believe at one point I thought Motorola would be the "King of Android."
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  • moltentofu - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    Iphone 4.

    I know I know, mentioning apple is the Godwins law of tech blogs.

    But seriously the "Motorola Droid Razr Maxx" sounds idiotic. Full disclosure: I really like the vanilla droid series.

    Also, I once tried to buy an Acer laptop and gave up. I've owned Clevos so it's not a brand thing. Fix your stupid complicated product names people! And have less products!
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  • Pessimism - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    An 8 month old phone released as new, with a year-old operating system. I thought Google buying Motorola meant timely releases, apparently not. With Android phones having the lifespan of an average lap dance, they really need to step up their game if they want to appear innovative. Reply
  • moltentofu - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    Eh, the announcement of purchase was in Aug last year. I'm really not going to worry much if Google wasn't able to get it together in 6 months or less to fully integrate with another multibillion dollar company, scrap a product probably already half way through its development cycle and create an even more kickass one out of thin air.

    Give them a calendar year before getting all, I don't know, pessimistic :P
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  • JasonInofuentes - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    The deal hasn't even been made, it's still under government review. Reply
  • Pessimism - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    I can only dream QQ Reply
  • JasonInofuentes - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    This is the grand challenge for device manufacturers right now, particularly in the cycle driven US. Technologic innovations occur at a fixed pace. Look at Intel's Tick-Tock cycle, as an example. The roadmap for innovations is laid out by the engineers working on them. In 2011, the big innovations were thin construction, LTE, dual-core and qHD or HD screens. These innovations were commercially available at different times and while it would have been nice for all of them to coalesce into one device per manufacturer, that would have also have been a bit boring.

    The unfortunately result of our desire to not be bored and the slow pace of innovation, though, is that manufacturers must iterate gradually. So, as higher resolution screens are made available you stick them into phones. As dual-core chipsets ship out of the fabs you stick them in. LTE chips? Stick'em in there. New battery tech and super thin construction methods? Do it!

    What's really irritating is that this could work more like the GPU space. Iterate a halo phone with all the bells and whistles first! Then over the weeks and months release a stratified line-up that includes phones missing a bell or whistle or two so that when all is said and done you have several phones at several price points that meet all your market desires. The every phone is a halo phone approach just means that it'll never pay to buy a phone within the first few months of it's release? It's price will drop by 30-50% before the ink's dry on your contract.
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  • ol1bit - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    My HTC Rezound is a great phone, I held out with my original Droid for quiet a while, and gave up on the Droid 4, when I got the Rezound for $149. Now I have a slight regret. I have 3 scratches on the surface of my Rezound. Just 2 months old. My original Droid 2+ years not a single scratch on the Gorilla Glass! Same pockets, same treatment!

    All glass is NOT made the same. I'll bet the keyboard is kewl as well.
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  • JasonInofuentes - Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - link

    Check with the retailer you bought the Rezound through. A lot of these places are really quite interested in making your experience a satisfying one, so they may be willing to work with you. It never hurts to try.

    Jason
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  • kyhwana - Thursday, February 09, 2012 - link

    When's the Milestone coming out? (Which is the "international"/non-verizon version)

    Will it have an unlocked bootloader?

    For anand, will you be posting any announcements about the Milestone?
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  • bones-of-ny - Friday, February 10, 2012 - link

    I could have sworn that a release date for the Droid 5 was actually going to be a direct manifest of the 4's arrival! Reply

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