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  • chuckula - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    LEt's get the accusations of anti-AMD bias out of the way in one compact post:

    Quote: "he standard voltage notebook part is pretty interesting as the gains should be enough to mostly bring it up to mobile Sandy Bridge performance (if AMD's numbers are correct). "

    Quote: "Trinity is likely going to maintain the integrated GPU performance advantage AMD currently holds, even when Ivy Bridge arrives."

    How DARE you quote that guy talking in that video! Obviously this "employee" is a paid Intel SPY! He implied that the game was NOT running at 5120 x 1600 at maximum settings at 500 FPS using DX 12 while doing 10x the computational power of the entire Folding@Home Project and using -10 watts!!! What kind of Intel SChill could ever deny those simple facts that I stated!?!?!?!

    Here's how an OBJECTIVE reporter would have done things:
    1. NEVER speak to anyone from Intel, but instead attack any and all Intel systems and employees with a SledgeHammer*!

    2. Punch-out these AMD "employees' and other spies from Intel like John Fruehe. How DARE he even imply that Bulldozer would only be 50% faster than Haswell! SCHILL! Any TRUE Journalist would know that any numbers not massively in AMD's sole favor are pure evil lies.

    3. Stop posting crap like this where you say Trinity will "maintain" a GPU performance advantage. That is a LIE! There is NO GPU and NO APU made by Intel! What's more. Trinity is coming out AFTER The 7970..do you not know that AMD *improves* its products over time? Obviously, a single Trinity will have approximately 47 TRILLION times the power of the 7970, and every man woman and child on EARTH will be able to play Metro 2033 at 800 FPS using 3D displays at 4K resolution using ONLY ONE CHIP THAT WILL BE PROVIDED FOR FREE FROM AMD BECAUSE THEY ARE T3H AWESOMEZORS!

    * Bonus points for the AMD fanboys who remember that codename.
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  • coder543 - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    This article was posted like 5 days late and provides no information other blogs haven't posted... so it still looks quite biased, even though I'm not really in that camp. Reply
  • chuckula - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    This article was posted like 5 days late --> Fascinating how it's 5 days late when CES only started on Tuesday and today is Thursday. Apparently every other news site on the Internet has an AMD powered time machine except for Anandtech...

    The video posted here was 1. more informative and 2. less BS ridden than the earlier posted videos, especially the one with some AMD marketing bot going on about how Trinity uses "second generation" DX 11 hardware how "second generation" DX 11 is "so hard" ... what a load of crap. At least this video has AMD people in it who don't spew buzzwords and actually told Anand what settings the game was running at (slicked up marketroid used buzzwords but didn't give real information).

    A lot of AMD fanboys think that Anand should literally sell his own children into slavery and sacrifice his life and integrity to go on some holy quest to make AMD look good at all costs. That's not his job. If AMD wants to look good, the best thing AMD can do is to start doing things that attract positive attention. Anand is an excellent journalist and if AMD starts performing, they'll get the positive attention.
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  • grrrrr - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    1. Because F1 is infinitely better than rally.
    2. Trinity doesn't bring anything new, unlike Ivy Bridge with its brand new, patented, on-die steering wheel controller for video players.
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  • djfourmoney - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Anand has children? That's a scary thought...

    Anyway Trinity is an improvement over Llano. That said, I may just get a Llano anyway as when Trinity's come online the price will drop and this is for a HTPC upgrade I've wanted to make for a couple of years.

    Intel Ivy Bridge won't be affordable in my book, especially in a struggling economy.
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  • archive_60 - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    I just really get a kick out of seeing the constant references to AMD fanboys. Like AMD fanboys are a bad thing or something. I'm an AMD fanboy that goes back to the K6 days. Thats not to say I drink the koo-aid, I just respect what they do. And all you Intel fanboys should really appreceate those on the AMD side. Without AMD making desktop processors, and they wouldnt if there was noone buying them, you could break out an egg timer and clock how long it takes for intel to tripple or quadruple prices on their entir processor line. Reply
  • Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    Our AMD meeting was always setup for Thursday. AMD scheduled our meeting later than most other companies so we couldn't get them in earlier in the week (AT CES meetings run back to back every 30/60/90/120 minutes from 7:30AM until 9PM, every day of the week).

    No conspiracies, just basic scheduling :)

    Take care,
    Anand
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  • stadisticado - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    Whoa, whoa Anand! Don't ruin everyone's fun with reasonable explanations... Reply
  • MrSpadge - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    What you describe is "late" and not "biased". Reply
  • coder543 - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    But, I really can't argue with the fact that at CES, AnandTech did look *reallllyyyy* Intel biased to me, even though I had never heard anyone even imply it until after I came to that conclusion on my own this week. Personally, I'm not so sure. Reply
  • chuckula - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    All the people yelling at Anandtech for paying more attention to Intel at CES are forgetting the difference in the PRESENCE between Intel & AMD. Intel had multiple major product announcements, a keynote, and a huge presence all over CES this year. AMD had... this booth with a sample of Trinity and a couple of "tablets" that will likely never see the light of day commercially. The Trinity part is certainly interesting, but while CES seems to be overrun with Ivy Bridge based Ultrabooks, every single hardware site (including the ones NOT regularly accused of being Intel schills) has had a video of this exact setup. In fact, Anand got more information out of these AMD guys than most of the other sites that are supposedly AMD friendly.

    CES is a multi-day bonanza and Anand fully covered everything that AMD had to show... and did it a day early to boot since CES goes through tomorrow.

    This is what happens when you basically fire EVERYONE who did your marketing. Now, I'm not saying there weren't reasons to fire those guys (they weren't very good), but when you break down all the lines of communication with someone like Anand, you don't get to whine and complain that it's "not fair" that Anand refuses to use psychic powers to telegraph all your awesome products to the masses. If AMD wants more attention, they need to take the bull by the horns instead of whining about how life isn't fair.
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  • Morg. - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Err ... Anandtech is Intel-biased since forever . Good thing you came to realize it eventually --

    But .. if you were a reviewer, it'd be the same, Intel is very nice with the reviewers where AMD seems to lack the budget ;)
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  • MrSpadge - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    You seem to be too you to remember anything before Core 2. Reply
  • B3an - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - link

    Just do us all a favour and jump off a bridge or something, you immature little fanboy prick. Reply
  • shatteredx - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    Haha, thanks for the chuckle. The anti-Intel trolls have been an amusing sideshow to go along with the CES 2012 reporting. Reply
  • grrrrr - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Not to mention even-more-amusing Intel's misunderstanding of the phrase "video game" Reply
  • Morg. - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Errr .. you intel schill ! ?

    Nice trolling btw.
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  • medi01 - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Even broken clock shows correct time 2 times a day. Reply
  • SleepyFE - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    must remember that one. Reply
  • MrSpadge - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Wow, you nailed it! Reply
  • BSMonitor - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    It's funny how hardware announcements generates such emotion in some people. About the only reason anyone should get emotional about AMD or Intel, is if that person has remortgaged their house to buy Intel or AMD stock. Of which, Intel's is outperforming the market as we speak. With AMD's being a bargain if you think the company will continue to improve.

    Then, root with all your heart!

    What is clear, both companies are making huge pushes into APUs however these integrated GPUs are by no means close in performance to something any of the people on these forums would really WANT to use.

    APU's primary success will be in the notebook/ultrabook space. One chip that provides low power and great CPU/GPU performance. Otherwise, on the desktop side, they cut costs for Dell, HP, etc as they do not have to pay for a dedicated GPU for their mass quantity "business PC's". But are of little relevance to anyone looking to do real gaming or engineering.

    For the record, neither is anyone near having a drop in APU replacement for a good Quad-core set up with a 7970 or GTX 590. The power envelope is just not reasonable.
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  • medi01 - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Uhm, nope.

    Besides having incentives to support one or the other, people also have idea of what is fair and what is not. (heck, even some monkey species have it)
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  • CUEngineer - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - link

    Wow is it me or is this guy crazy?
    Also By the way a GPU is just a Graphics Processing Unit... Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge designs both have integrated on die "GPU's" or graphics cores whatever you want to call it... lol
    Everyone face it AMD peaked early after Athlon crushed P4, AMD has been flopping around like a fish in a dried up river...
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  • CUEngineer - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - link

    Wow is it me or is this guy crazy?
    Also By the way a GPU is just a Graphics Processing Unit... Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge designs both have integrated on die "GPU's" or graphics cores whatever you want to call it... lol
    Everyone face it AMD peaked early after Athlon crushed P4, AMD has been flopping around like a fish in a dried up river...
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  • codedivine - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    Weren't we expecting Trinity early this year? Reply
  • MonkeyPaw - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    That's pretty impressive if Trinity was driving the whole setup. Fusion is finally emerging as a real option for mid-level users. Reply
  • warisz00r - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link

    What is the supposed surprise at the end of the youtube video? Reply
  • Dark Man - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Anythings u saw had been done by a SINGLE laptop (playing game, video transcoding and video playing)

    At first we saw anythings are done by a desktop chassis, that's normal. But later, they are from a laptop, and that's NOT normal. And this is a surprise ...
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  • frozentundra123456 - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    So basically with the 17watt part they are claiming a 2x increase in performance per watt compared to Llano. And that is with a CPU that has so far been lower in performance per watt than Llano except in certain very limited scenarios.

    And a 50% increase in graphics performance with the higher power laptop part. would bring it up to what 6670 level or above?

    They are going to have to make an almost magical improvement to the BD architecture to accomplish this, unless they are cherry picking the benchmarks.

    So, I hope they can do it. I am not really into desktop APUs, but the laptop chips will be very exciting if they can deliver what they promise. However, considering all the promises made for Bulldozer, and then all the delays, and how it ultimately turned out, I will remain skeptical until real benchmarks can be obtained from independent reviewers.
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  • Morg. - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Process change gives you a flat 30% anyway . so 20% for moving away from Stars .. sounds more than realistic ;)

    Nothing quite magical --

    And yes .. AMD failed to deliver on time once again - let's hope 2012 is the year Global Foundries catches up somehow --
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  • R3MF - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    process change?

    both llano and trinity are manufactured on 32n?
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  • frozentundra123456 - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    That is my point though. It is not a die shrink, and the architecture is based on an architecture that has slower IPC than Llano. So I stick by my previous statement that it is a very optimistic claim to say they will get a 50% increase in performance/watt.

    I am not saying it is impossible, but such a big jump without a die shrink and/or new architecture is very rare.
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  • french toast - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Yea i understand what your getting at, however i might add that the pecieved problems with BD seems to be more cache limited...specifically dreadfull latency, also the process has been terrible.
    Which has led to lower than planned frequency targets, and higher than planned thermals/power consumption.

    There is a possibility of them fixing the above and extracting more performance...unlikely though.

    More suprising is the 50% claim of graphics improvement, surely thats a mighty jump on the same process isn't it?
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  • Jambe - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    "Finally the desktop Trinity will be 15% faster on the CPU side and 25% faster on the GPU."

    I'm really more interested in the GPU getting quicker than the CPU, at least insofar as these all-in-one solutions drive down the cost (and increase the capabilities of) low-end budget gaming PCs.

    It's a good thing, although one wonders if a company like AMD would deliberately hold back the GPU capabilities of an integrated solution like this so they can wring more profit out of their discrete GPU business, or if they're willing to just keep progressively-sacrificing the low-tier video cards by offering integrated solutions that are just as (if not more) powerful.
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  • Morg. - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    Good question . but tbh if AMD can take even 50% of the mobile market thanks to Fusion, they won't need to sell low-tier gfx --

    I don't believe they would have any interest in holding back any advantage they have now, they're still valued at 1/20th Intel or 1/3rd nVidia - which is retarded but w/e
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  • SleepyFE - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    A stronger GPU might not sense since it does not have it's own memory (it uses system RAM, making it slower). Reply
  • SilentSin - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    I'm still confused as to whether or not this was actually a 17W part. Anand can you confirm if you asked this directly or not? I haven't seen that answer on video, just as part of the write ups about the demo which could have easily been misconstrued from AMD saying Trinity *will* go down to 17W, not that the demo *was* a 17W part. Reply
  • Beenthere - Friday, January 13, 2012 - link

    It sounds like Trinity laptop chippies may be even better than advertised previously, which is still a good leap forward. No InHell products in this office. Trinity works for me. Reply
  • B3an - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - link

    You do realise how many tech sites and reporters there are out there right?? And i mean big ones too, as this site isn't the only large tech site around by a long shot. It's very likely Anand simply couldn't get an earlier time with AMD.

    FFS why so many stupid comments on this site lately??
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  • B3an - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - link

    Grow some brain cells yeah?

    1. AMD presence at CES was WAY smaller than Intels.

    2. Anand didn't have a meeting with AMD until after Intel. Theres only about a million other reporters and sites that AMD have to see. Cant magically see everyone at once.

    3. AMD's Bulldozeer is utter crap. So obviously things like that will not get shining reviews.

    But of course being as fanboys are mentally immature retards that have never fully grown up, i'm sure all this will appear as "bias" to some people.
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  • reenie49 - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - link

    A standard A8 3500 Llano is overvolted or underclocked. At P0 voltages it can be clocked to 2000 or 2100 which is a 40+% overclock and with faster memory the graphics scale very welll . So with a more mature process and a slight tweak these numbers are senisible . dunno if a 2 core trinity cpu can match a 4 core llano cpu at similar clock speeds tho Reply
  • reenie49 - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - link

    A standard A8 3500 Llano is overvolted or underclocked. At P0 voltages it can be clocked to 2000 or 2100 which is a 40+% overclock and with faster memory the graphics scale very welll . So with a more mature process and a slight tweak these numbers are senisible . dunno if a 2 core trinity cpu can match a 4 core llano cpu at similar clock speeds tho Reply
  • rgathright - Friday, February 03, 2012 - link

    Sony VAIO Y-Series E-450 netbook has the AMD Radeon HD 6320 GPU built-in and is actually quite
    fast for the platform and overall cost. www.epinions.com/content_577205407364

    Trinity seems to be a mid-generation release that improves on the previous Llano but keeps the same restricted cache size.

    All that said, I am also very eager to get my hands on the new Kaveri and Kabini APU which seems to wrap up all the real promises made by AMD. Remember, we fans are all hoping for faster x64 cores too!
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  • Wolfpup - Tuesday, February 07, 2012 - link

    Frankly a high end Llano + separate GPU is pretty darned good right now, and this...well, it'll be at least 25% better I guess.

    SO disgusted with all this "switchable" graphics junk that doesn't work, doesn't solve a problem I have, and breaks driver compatibility.
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