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• #### Ushio01 - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

it's been 2 and a half years since the last GPU die shrink it used to seem about every 10-11 months or so that one happened. Reply
• #### fincrisp - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

That was a half node cycle. Remeber everyone canceled the 32nm shrink and went straight for a full node at 28nm. That still puts it behind but not as bad. Reply
• #### saneblane - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link

32nm is the full node, and 28 is the half. the next full node is 22 and half is 20 Reply
• #### mpschan - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link

Forgive my stupidity, but what differentiates a full node from a half? All I see is numbers getting smaller by varying amounts, and I can't remember ever reading a comparison of the process of shrinking by a half step vs. a full. Reply
• #### GiantPandaMan - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link

From what I can tell, a full node requires totally new tools, usually done at a different facility than the current node. A half node is more of an upgrade in processes and some upgrades in tools, and usually done at the same facility. Anyone with a better explanation? Reply
• #### ChrisC62 - Friday, October 07, 2011 - link

In principal:
1) Full Node shrinks reduce layout area by a factor of 2 - so dimensions reduce by sqrt(2).
2) Half nodes should shrink area by a factor of sqrt(2) so dimensions reduce by 2^1/4.
Full Nodes 45, 32, 22.5, 16, 11, 8
Half Nodes: 38, 27, 19, 13.5, 9.5, 7

In practice this is limited by what the technology allows and what the customers need, so often they are rounded up or down.
• #### Sivar - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

Is it just a photographic anomaly or is that cooling fan missing a blade? Reply
• #### Lunyone - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

It looks like the fan was running when the picture was taken, at least that is how it looks to me. :) Reply

• #### SquattingDog - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

Yup, pretty sure the fan is running - those are not the blades you're seeing, they're slots cut in the heatsink beneath it if you look closely :) Reply

• #### fic2 - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

Summary: AMD did another demo of a part that has no release date.
Why is this news?
Still just trying to fill the void of Bulldozer non-news?
• #### formulav8 - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

It still shows that AMD has working silicon.The Lovely NVidia has not shown anything yet.

Either way, working silicon does say something about AMD's 28nm progress. So it IS at least something to report. Whether its worth your time to read is up to you. You at least felt the urge to complain about Anands post even though the title clearly said that AMD only showed off another public demo of working 28nm silicon. And therefore you could have just skipped over it and not use up any of your time. :\
• #### fic2 - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

So, the one piece of working silicon that was working last week is still working this week.

And your right I shouldn't have bothered. I think I am just going to stop reading tech sites until Oct 12. Hopefully AMD will actually release Bulldozer this time and allow benchmarks.
• #### Sabresiberian - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link

Okay, so Nvidia should baby-sit every childish customer's feelings with cheerleading about it's future products every minute?

They've made it clear that their next release won't be for awhile yet, so what's your point? Clearly, some people are going to believe they are being "strung along" if you start talking about a project too early - Bulldozer is a good example. Many companies prefer not to talk about a product until just before a release, and I don't blame them, much as I like to know what's coming down the road.

In my opinion, there isn't a right or wrong about when you start talking about a product, because some part of your customer base is going to whine and cry no matter what you do. The best thing you CAN do is be accurate and straight-forward with the information you release and any predictions you make.

;)
• #### Filiprino - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

Stop. Demoing. Release. Damn. Products. Now. Bulldozer. Wink. Wink. Radeon. 7000. Wink. Wink. Reply
• #### mino - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link

Done as ordered!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trks...

:D
• #### hasu - Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - link

Just wondering... So who does not want to see AMD products in working condition? Are they Intel fan boys or are they Intel investors? Do Intel also use GlobalFoundry for any of their production? Do they have any investments in that company? Reply
• #### fic2 - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link

It's not that we don't want to see AMD product demos it is that we want to see BullDozer released. Any other "news" from AMD is blah. Like I said in an earlier post - it was news when this was demoed last week. It is not news when the same thing is demoed a week later. Gee - it still works, well golly. If they had demoed and released some numbers it might have been news. It is like when the Boeing 787 made it's first flight - that was news. When it made it's 2nd flight it wasn't. Reply
• #### dave1231 - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link

Looks like there's sticky tape on the GPU whilst the fan is running in the foreground. Reply
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