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  • quiksilvr - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    Where there is simply no point in this? Why would you possibly need (both casually and professionally) a 580M in a laptop? The desktop version of the 580 is over $400 so I shudder to think how much a LESS powerful and MORE expensive MOBILE version would be. It's not like your playing 1080p Crysis 2 dx11 in a coffee shop. You will either be in a room (or basement). Even at LAN parties you bring your much more powerful and waaaay cheaper desktop. Reply
  • dagamer34 - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    Desktop + monitor = 2 heavy things to move around. It's not for everyone, but enough people buy them to make them. And I'm sure they just consider the battery to be a built-in UPS. Reply
  • Bolas - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    I have an extremely powerful desktop. Water cooled x58 system in a Corsair Obsidian 800D, with triple 30" monitors. No way am I lugging that to a LAN party. Too heavy and too much risk of damage.

    But I would take an 18" laptop.

    Also, I sometimes go on long car trips and like to play games to pass the time. Just can not do that on a desktop. But with a tether from a high end cell phone, you can game some while in the back seat of a car at 65 MPH.

    I want a more powerful gpu for a laptop so that it can power not just 1080P, but 3D 1080P. Takes about twice the computing power to handle 3D Vision 120Hz display. So even a single 580m might not be enough for 3D 1080P. And just for Starcraft II and League of Legends, not necessarily even Crysis 2.
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  • Aberkae - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    I need a handtruck for my 800d lol. Reply
  • TrackSmart - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    For some reason, I never imagined anybody gaming in the backseat of a car who wasn't a kid with a gameboy (or modern equivalent). Certainly not an adult playing Crysis 2 in 3D with an 18" super-laptop burning through his thighs. Ha ha. Quite the image. But I digress...

    Clearly there's a market for these things, even if it's a small one. I'm more in the under $800 - $1,000 desktop computer ever 3-4 years category, with a laptop as a lightweight travel companion. But thank you for spending the bucks! The enthusiasts are the ones that drive (and pay for) the innovation that eventually yields those great $150 GPUs that will play Crisis at high settings at 1080p.
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  • Aberkae - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    I agree for now, untill the 28 nm gpus will be out we will be singing a different tune which is around the corner. 40 nm life is ending soon and these chips are the end of 40nm chips life cycle, why would you buy anything with a 40nm chip size today when a more powerful and efficient gpu is around the corner? Reply
  • ggathagan - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    If you need something today, you would buy it today.

    Given that the 28 nm parts won't start shipping until Q4, you probably can't expect systems to hit the market until November or December.

    There are probably plenty of situations where a user will not be willing to wait that long.
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  • The0ne - Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - link

    Then you have to contend with the same dilemma as you have with these with worst factors. Most likely higher price, unknown real world performances, integration, etc. Heck, even after release it'll take several months for it to be implemented much less be widely available.

    So yea, you can wait til next gen or get going and have fun now.
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  • Wolfpup - Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - link

    Right, and at that point there'll be something else, and then something else, and then...

    The question is silly...particularly if it's at least 6 months out, because there's ALWAYS something six months out.
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  • seapeople - Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - link

    I don't know what you're talking about. I refuse to upgrade until I can be sure I'm getting the best there is. My current PC is a 400 mhz AMD K6-2. Yeah, some people think I should probably just go ahead and get Sandy Bridge, but forget that. I'm waiting for Haswell at least. Why would you even think about upgrading now when you have fused multiply-add coming around the corner? Think about the possibilities!

    Unfortunately, I do have to use my wife's work laptop if I want to browse the web in anything newer than Firefox 2.0. But still, I think it'll be worth it when I get my $4000 Haswell system. Although, I have been thinking that Skymont might be a better buy, so I could just wait for that. I guess we'll see.
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  • scook9 - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    These will be a small boost over the 485m with the main difference being overclock headroom. I am interested to see how they are priced. So far on the Alienware M17x R3 it is $350 for a GTX 580m over a 6970m which is a hard sell.....

    Hope these do not make me too unhappy with my 6970m CF M18x :D

    And stoked for an Anandtech review of the M18x!
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  • SimKill - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    Personally I'm waiting for an M14x review.

    Also, at this point in time we really need to stop and look if the overclocking is actually going to make any difference in frame rates vs. the battery it eats. I mean, if you're already running well over 60, I see no reason to overclock.
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  • Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    It's coming VERY soon. I just finished testing the M14x. ;) Reply
  • RedemptionAD - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    Optimus may help these power hungry beasts turn into all day productivity machines as long as you don't enable the dedicated graphics. Huge battery + integrated graphics = long life. I look forward to the reviews with one of these machines. Reply
  • mczak - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    I don't think 620Mhz - 575Mhz = 75Mhz :-)
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  • Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    That's what I get for trying to do simple arithmetic at 2:30am. ;) Reply
  • darckhart - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    ..when will we see optimus technology on the desktop? (i guess it's called synergy or something?) Reply
  • Bolas - Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - link

    Strange... Alienware is acting like the Nvidia GTX 580m is not compatible with the 120Hz screen. It won't let me configure that option.

    But the Nvidia press release says that the GTX 580m is compatible with 3D Vision.

    So which is it, compatible or not?
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  • Ryan Smith - Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - link

    I know of no reason why it wouldn't be compatible. Reply
  • Wolfpup - Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - link

    It hurts compatibility, performance, etc. I do not want it. I'm actively avoiding systems with it. I will not touch Dell because they use it.

    Seems bizarre for Anandtech to be advocating this. Seems like the most bizarre thing they've advocated in the entire 10+ years I've been reading the site.
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  • seapeople - Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - link

    Well, the reason Anandtech keeps presenting Optimus as a positive is because Optimus is actually pretty useful for all those people who want to play games on their laptop but don't want a 20W idling GPU sucking down their 8-cell 90 kWh battery before they can watch a movie in the car.

    "Honey, you just spent $2000 on that giant laptop, right?"

    "Yes."

    "Then why can't I use it to watch Grey's Anatomy and Private Practice in the car when we go on a trip?"

    "Um... er... well... it gives 65.2 FPS on Starcraft II on Ultra Gamer setting in 1080p with 4x antialiasing!"

    "So what you're telling me is that we will be sending it back and getting that $500 laptop at Best Buy, right?"

    "Yes Dear."
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  • Hrel - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    If you can't recognize how great optimus is, then you should probably ignore laptops all together and just own a desktop; and maybe a tablet or smartphone. Reply
  • Hrel - Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - link

    I remember the GTX560M article... you said most laptops with that GPU don't even support Optimus; despite the capability.

    Do you know if the Clevo P151HM specifically, like the one sold on cyberpowerpc.com, supports Optimus now or not?

    I'm also curious about a HP 1080p 15" laptop with a HD6770 GPU that claims it supports GPU switching. Lots of comments online say there are issues. HP said they are aware of it and working on it, when I asked them about it. It'd be great if you guys could get a unit of that model in for review.
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  • Bolas - Thursday, June 30, 2011 - link

    Ok... so... Nvidia's press release states that the Nvidia GTX 580m supports 3D Vision.

    I call BS.

    Show me any laptop from any supplier that has an Nvidia GTX 580m with a 120Hz display.

    You can't do it. Nobody offers such a system.

    Alienware won't let you configure that. Sager won't let you configure that. Nobody else even offers the GTX 580m graphics card that I have seen.

    Nvidia? How do I use the GTX 580M's alleged 3D Vision? Anyone?
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