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  • eanazag - Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - link

    Really though, can you spill water on the keyboard? Is the system submersible? Reply
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - link

    Dunno about immersion, but fully rugged systems typically are able to take several inches/hour of rain from any direction, semi rugged ones should be fine in a sprinkle. I say typically because while the DoD has defined testing procedures in the form of Mil STD 810F, semi/fully/ultra rugged are terms created by the companies who sell them to end users. Reply
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  • seanleeforever - Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - link

    mil 810G/F does not specify submersibility. however, spill water on the perfectly tolerable. XFR uses what they call a "complete isolating heat exchanger" which basically saying the inside of the system is complete isolated from outside. so i guess it can be submerged for short amount of time.

    having few of the XFR at work, those thing are beast.. in term of weight. we also have a number of Toshiba CF 31/74, the craftsmanship of the Toshiba blows dell into oblivion. when you open the port panel, you can see huge gaps between internal parts. didn't expect to see those for a 4k+ system.

    the keyboard sucks, probably the worst king of notebook keyboard i have ever used. there is a track pointer but no dedicated track pointer button. wth...
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  • eanazag - Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - link

    I noticed this article is also tagged with the Intel SSD 510. Is that an accident or is Dell finally sourcing SSDs from someone other than Samsung? Reply
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - link

    Sorry -- the tags are manually entered and when I typed "Intel" the engine apparently auto-completed with "Intel SSD 510". No idea on what SSDs are used. Reply
  • JasonInofuentes - Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - link

    The argument being that you never know what might happen to your laptop out on the road. The argument makes little sense, though, as the devices are not mission critical. Even in law enforcement it seems a little absurd since the laptops live on car mounts, so they're not terribly at risk of anything but having coffee spilled on them.

    When I worked in rural VA I convinced my agency to forego purchasing another underpowered $3500 Toughbook and instead opted for a $500 Dell with their most comprehensive warranty, the total bill was just under $1100 and that laptop is still working strong. A savings of almost $6000 when you consider that the Toughbook would probably be replaced three years after purchase for another Toughbook that would only last about three years.

    All told, this is where I see a huge market for cheap, mobile, thin-clients, as in the Chromebook. If I was in charge of purchasing in a rescue squad, fire department, police department or really anything mobile that serves mostly as a terminal for a web service I would get Chromebooks.
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  • QChronoD - Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - link

    " If I was in charge of purchasing in a rescue squad, fire department, police department or really anything mobile that serves mostly as a terminal for a web service I would get Chromebooks."

    What exactly would your public safety/rescue services do if there was a widespread outage of network connectivity or power? How exactly would the thin client be useful if there was nothing for it to talk to??

    I understand your thoughts about it appearing to be a waste of money for them to buy ruggedized machines, but I think that you're going too far the other way in recommending something like a Chromebook. (Unless you are also including some sort of ruggedized local network storage in the trunk of the car with a fall-back wireless link to some sort of ad-hoc emergency network.)
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  • erple2 - Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - link

    The reality is that the killer app of having the laptops in-vehicle is exactly their network-ability. Having connectivity back to a command center is what it's all about anyway. That's exactly what Law Enforcement (or Fire Fighters, or other rescue worker) needs in an emergency - where are your people, and where can you put them to best offer services quickly? In the case of Law Enforcement, having the ability for the Officer to "phone home" a license plate, a drivers license, a description, name, whatever, is invaluable for helping to better understand an incident as it's ongoing. And for that, you still need some ability to network.

    While it's useful for filling out reports in-car, the killer app of these mobile computers is the ability to connect the officer/responder back to a command center. Whether that's to transmit incident reports, or getting information back to the officer, they both require some kind of connectivity.

    I recall programs demonstrating a 'crowd sourcing' type of ad-hoc network for an emergency incident (think about knowing where all of your Fire Fighters are in a large building in real time during a fire, and being able to send them quick updates on where they should go, or shouldn't go as situations change in real-time).
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  • Guspaz - Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - link

    "Pardon the poor image; it's all we had to work with."

    But it doesn't look like you did work with it any... Why not crop out the notebook with a mask, eliminating the hard white edge?
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  • Toughbook - Thursday, June 09, 2011 - link

    What gives you the idea or thought that you need to replace a Toughbook every 3 years? They are built to last a lot more than 3 years, in fact the warranty is that long. Toughbooks are not your usual Dell, HP, Toshiba etc. Built for a small segement that cannot perform there job, or fight for our Country without one.
    The Dell has some good ideas, but I firmly believe they will never make it in the Rugged segment. Panasonic created it and dominates it. There 2% failure rate is not the best of any computer maker for no reason. I have 3 of them currently, my oldest model is a CF30 which is a fully rugged model with it being just over 3 years. It still performs and is rock solid as the day I bought it.

    There is a reason why Dell implemented a service center out in the middle east. They are going to need it oh so badly. I am in contact with some Govt contractors out there who have some of these Dells. Let's just say it's not going so smoothly.

    I wish nothing but the best of luck to Dell, I honestly do. Competition is good for whatever the case may be.
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