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  • S0me1X - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    Can you shed some light as to exactly what this does? There is talk of its effects but not what it is actually doing. Reply
  • IanCutress - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    Intel haven't released this information in an easy to read format, as far as I can tell - speculation is rife that it's to do with boosting the frequency signal to the CPU just that it's easier to distinguish between high and low states when you have a high overclock (PLL stands for 'Phase Lock Loop'). The downside of enabling this feature (and is a known problem) is that there are issues coming back from Sleep states.

    All the best,
    Ian
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  • GTVic - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    A Phase Locked Loop is designed to keep something on frequency, counteracting external forces which would otherwise cause a frequency drift. I believe the voltage levels on the CPU are controlled by the frequency of the Pulse Width Modulation so I'm guessing that this "Internal PLL Overvoltage" circuit allows the CPU to auto-manage the voltage levels required at various levels of overclock. If it needs more voltage, it gets more. As opposed to a table of preset voltage levels for various overclock frequencies which would not be optimal for all CPU chips in all environments. Reply
  • bf71090 - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    I don't think you were clear with the warranty information for the Asrock. As far as I can tell any p67/h67 board you buy today until June 30th will automatically have a 2 year warranty. Reply
  • IanCutress - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    I just double checked with ASRock, and all high end motherboards are two years warranty (with ASRock), while other motherboards come with a one year warranty.

    All the best,
    Ian
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  • IanCutress - Monday, May 16, 2011 - link

    Must clarify - it's other ASRock boards that have the one year. Reply
  • H8ff0000 - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    Can you guys please review the P67 Sabertooth? I'd like to know where you guys think it stands in relation to these. Reply
  • nightmare9920 - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    I just double checked with ASRock, and all high end motherboards are two years warranty (with ASRock), while other motherboards come with a one year warranty.

    All the best,
    Ian


    It depends on the region, in europe the standard warranty is 2 years with 3 years on some of the high end boards. I believe in NA it is 1 year as standard and 2 on the high end boards.
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  • Arbie - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    A feature important to me is fan headers and controls. I want to know how many headers there are, what electrical type (3-pin or 4-pin), and what the BIOS will actually do with them (manually set speed, or have it control on thermal inputs).

    This kind of info is often hard to find - sometimes impossible without buying the board. So getting this from someone who has actually used the board would be ideal.

    However, reviewers usually give fan controls short shrift, possibly because they are not putting the boards in cases. And I realize that, especially on a multi-board roundup, you can't go into such detail on each one. So - where it's available - maybe you could include a link to the mobo user's manual.

    Thx
    Arbie
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  • michaelheath - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    I appreciate the review, however I think tech writers are sensationalizing the 'fiasco that was Cougar Point' a bit too much. Yeah, it kinda sucked for the early adopters (and I say that with full sympathy, having been there before myself). For a person who's patient and waited for all the kinks and bugs to be ironed out, the fact that there was a release, a recall, and then a re-release may not weigh on their mind at all when making a purchasing decision. Personally, I'm waiting to see what Z68 does and then pulling the trigger, and I'll gladly buy a P67 board if it's the better option. Reply
  • Etern205 - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    Didn't read the article yet, but IMO most P67 based boards within the same price range are similar to one another and in the past if I was looking for a board, I'll read every damn review on the product I want. Now, it's just pick a damn board with the features you like to have and be happy with it. Reply
  • fic2 - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    Still can't get rid of the legacy PS/2 port.... Just makes me laugh. Reply
  • Etern205 - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    What is there to laugh about?
    Some still have a good PS/2 devices which is a waste just to junk it out and PS/2 has a faster detection over USB. This benefits users who wants to access the bios where USB keyboards sometimes fails miserably.
    The most expensive SNB board from Asus still has a PS/2 port (combo PS/2).
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
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  • Hrel - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    Can someone please explain to me why despite the fact that more and more chips are moving off the motherboard and onto the CPU motherboards seem to keep getting more and more expensive. Ok, increased power delivery testing; I get that. But the motherboard manufacturers are literally buying fewer chips to make their board. These things should be getting cheaper!

    The northbridge is on the CPU, the iGPU is on the CPU and that right there is the majority of the cost of a motherboard. Seriously, WTF! $190 is the sweetspot? WTF! $130 bought a hell of a board 3-5 years ago. Now they're cheaper to make but cost more? WTF! I shouldn't be spending anymore than 100 bucks on a brand new Asus P5NE-SLI class motherboard. I'm an enthusiast, we should be seeing tons of these things for 50 bucks. WTFFFFFFFFFFF!
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  • ggathagan - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    You're paying $100 for a brand new P5NE-SLI because it's obsolete technology which translates into higher support costs for the manufacturer.
    The same can be said for SDRAM, the original DDR RAM and Socket 478 CPU's.

    As to why a *modern* motherboard costs so much with more of the chipset being integrated into the CPU: They don't.

    You can get a LGA1155 motherboard for under $50 and $130 still gets you "a hell of a board ".

    P67-based motherboards are not at the low end of the market, so any decently featured mid-tier motherboard remains in the $150-$200 range.

    Regardless of what Intel or AMD incorporate into the CPU, the support chipsets *still* need to be purchased.
    AMD and Intel set the price for that, not Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, etc...

    Sound and LAN support remain seperate from the core chipset.

    Lastly, in the case of Intel systems, there is the desire for USB 3.0 support that has to be added via additonal chips.

    Upper tier boards have never been about the chipset/CPU; they've always been about the "bells & whistles" factor.
    As such, the buyer's perception of what is valuable is more of a factor than logic centering around what a specific chipset or CPU brings to the table.
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  • TheJian - Wednesday, May 11, 2011 - link

    I don't think a decently featured board costs $150-200. My current GByte board had all the bells and whistles for $129. The only thing missing from the top boards was more vid slots, and a few more Sata's (mine has 8 so plenty for me).

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
    $70, has everything but Btooth/Firewire (who cares)/SLI (who cares). Includes both USB3 and 2 SATA 6 ports.

    What features are there that cost another $130? I get that P67 adds another $30 (which is where P67 boards start on newegg), and we get overclocking for that (but we got screwed out of a vid card on that deal so hmmm).

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
    $110 for P67 Gigabyte D3 B3, USB3, Sata6. Missing Btooth/1394/SLI(xfire-either). We now know you can put USB3 on a $70 board (jetway has a $70 USB3 board too). They have an ECS for $100, and it has USB3 and even 2 vids.

    So are these worth $100? A few more USB's and Btooth is all I'd ask for (and there's already plenty of USB). USB3 chip probably costs a few bucks at best (likely $1). They throw on audio for $1. I don't call the boards in this review mid tier. I'd say more like upper class. SLI/Xfire used to be all that was needed to put your board into upper class. It should still be that way. Unless it's a server board, anything over $200 is probably just a pretty box. Maybe someone else can point to a reason why prices shot up on the top end and the mid is considered by some as $150-200 (I thought it was $100-150, with the low being $60-100, but that's just me).

    You can't say the dollar is dropping or bring up gold - I shouldn't be able to post a $70 full featured H67 or $100 full featured P67. The guy on the $100/P67 is overclocked at 4.8ghz (i7-2600K) and folding 24x7...ROFL. I think this board's a winner. Probably should be in your next review :) Might be a little low, but you get the point. Then again, this is probably what most will buy (or lower in the H67 range most likely).
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  • Rookie Monster - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    Two reasons come to mind.
    1. Gold is $1500oz
    2. U.S. dollar is falling like a rock.
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  • knedle - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    I even found a movie on youtube showing MSI Games:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmdoRfgNkCg

    I think it may be usefull if your HDD with important data just died and you want to commit suicide. ;)
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  • wifiwolf - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    I'm with Hrel on this. It's just ridiculous that we're buying boards with less parts needed even more expensive then they were before moving northbridge and int-graphics.

    PS: Unfinished chipsets should be for beta testing and not for sale.
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  • Patrick Wolf - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    I agree, these boards should be cheaper (which could be said for most components really), but to be fair these aren't all $190 boards, they were at 1st but new tech is always more. Lowest current price I could find for each board is as follows:
    P67A-GD65 - $170 (newegg, could be even cheaper at superbiiz depending on promo)
    P67 Extreme6 - $200 (superbiiz, again promo)
    P67H2-A2 - $173 after MIR (newegg)
    GA-P67A-UD4 - $175 after MIR (superbiiz, again promo)
    P8P67 PRO - $180 (newegg/superbiiz, again promo)

    Compare that to 775. The ever popular GA-EP45-UD3P was about $130 and now the GA-P67A-UD3 which has similar features is $125. Or better yet the MSI P67A-G43 for $125.
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  • maxhavoc - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link

    The review states that the ASRock board doesn't support RAID on the SATA3 6.0 GBps ports but the NewEgg page says that it does. I can't find anything on the manufacturer's website. For a >$200 board to not support SATA3 RAID is pretty ridiculous so I'd like to know for sure. Does it or doesn't it? Reply
  • cbass64 - Wednesday, May 11, 2011 - link

    I haven't seen the p67 extreme6 in person but I have used the extreme4 and all of the Intel ports (including the 2 SATA3 ports) support RAID. The other SATA3 ports use the Marvell controller and do not have RAID support. Any ports controlled by the PCH will be able to be RAIDed through the OROM.

    You should be able to RAID all 6 PCH SATA ports on this board.
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  • TheJian - Wednesday, May 11, 2011 - link

    I'm still waiting to see a review of something 95% of us will actually buy :) I'd also like to see a lot more discussion of the power phases on boards. 8/12/16/20, analog or digital? How does each affect the power bill etc. I haven't paid over $135 for my board (just missing SLI usually, but still lots of connectors always) since clear back to 386/486. These are commodity items now. I've sold a ton at $60-100 (used to have a PC business). What's with the $200 tag always garnering the most attention.

    It seems like the only products reviewed these days are flagships. The problem with that is we often aren't seeing what we can expect from what we'd buy in the store (most of us have no need for more than 1 vid slot - I'm shocked at how the industry has embraced something that almost nobody uses). This situation is far worse in SSD's. Where's the article on a family of drives (or just the bottom/top from two makers in the same family) and the performance hit you take buying the small 40/60/80/128 vs 256/300+ etc. I suspect 75% of your readers think they perform the same (as this has only been mentioned, not the major focus of an article). It's great manufacturers want to send you boards (expensive ones, duh), but not so great if not that many of us plan on touching anything over $150. Don't forget these are the same people buy vid cards based on $10 differences (LOL). I'm probably just ranting

    Or how about an article on 3-5 cpu's (low, mid, top from the last few generations), with say 10-20 vid cards from the last few years to today. Most people would be surprised to know they don't have a slow PC, they just need a vid card and they suddenly have a new PC. Knowing which one is best (or overkill) for an Dual core Athlon X2, or P4, can be difficult to figure out (I haven't seen an article like this in years).

    In short (heh), bring back some articles that help 95% of us out instead of 5%. I don't know anyone with more than a single vid card (never have, oops 3dfx long time ago), and it blows my mind that we have more boards from makers that have more than 1 slot than ones with only 1 slot. For what? To set benchmarks, that's about it. I don't know many that want to deal with the heat/noise or air conditioning bill for multiple cards. Very few people need that kind of power for current games (running 30in I guess).

    Review was fine, just not what I think you're audience is about to rush out and buy. I am glad to see you testing USB/Lan/Sata on the boards.
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  • ggathagan - Friday, May 13, 2011 - link

    Yeah, you *are* just ranting.

    Anandtech is an enthusiast's site.
    95% may not buy actually buy a flagship board, but I'll bet that 95% of us want to see the flagship boards reviewed and reviewed in detail.
    Flagship boards are usually the first to come out with cutting edge tech, so they provide information that someone can use to determine what the performance across an entire family of boards will probably be.

    A P67 board is a P67 board is a P67 board, so that which is discussed on a flagship board is applicable to the lower tier boards using the same chipsets.

    As for the rest of what you want:
    It's not like Anadtech and the other sites have this huge warehouse of all the parts they've ever reviewed and can just go back in the back room and whip up a dozen or so systems.

    Additionally, exhaustive testing takes time. Even if they *did* have that warehouse, going back to test every conceivable combination of old and new hardware would be a waste of their time. They've already reviewed the old stuff.

    AT puts out articles on a regular basis regarding their recommendations on top, mid, and lower-priced systems.
    They may not put out thse articles every week, but they are frequent enough that you can get a general idea of cost and capability from them.

    Do your own legwork, go back and read the past articles and figure it out for yourself.
    It's a pretty safe bet that pairing a couple of 6970's or 580's with a P4 or an Athlon II is going to be a waste of money. Do you really need to know much more than that?

    SSD performance has been discussed ad nauseam in the many articles that AT has put out. Lower capacity SSD's suffer in performance when compared to a larger SSD, but are still head-and-shoulders above the performance of a traditional drive. The reasons for that have been discussed exhaustively. The same holds for Intel vs. Sandforce vs. Marvell vs. Jmicro.
    Do you really need every piece of SSD-related information repeated in every single article? Can't you just read all the articles yourself and come to your own conclusion?
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  • ruzveh - Wednesday, May 11, 2011 - link

    My msg is to and for Anandtech to reply: My concept of dual lan with teaming is really not clear and i am not able to understand ur lang as well.. Can u explain in a lay man term with example what does it mean and what its used for what it do?

    Is it something that one lan i can use for my cable internet and other lan port i can use to connect it to my local area network?

    Or does it mean that i can use both the ports for internet or both for local intranet

    Or does it mean that both of them i can use for boosting my internet sharing. If yes, then both the connection has to be same or different. Do i have to use both different ISP or can i use from same ISP? How does it work? Do i have to make it work having two different isp?

    I mean can i make it like my 2mbps + 2mbps internet connection = teaming of 4mbps connection? Or is it like 2mbps + same 2mbps = 2mbps teaming?

    Its really confusing and exciting to know. I always wanted to buy dual lan motherboard to use one port for internet and other port for connecting other computers for file sharing and internet sharing if possible.

    I hope u have understood my query and 1000s of people have similar queries which is still unsolved across all fourms. I hope you wont dissapoint us. Thanks in advance
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  • ggathagan - Friday, May 13, 2011 - link

    Teaming within this context relates to network connections and is not applicable to internet connections.

    Other names for it are aggregation or trunking.

    If your computer is connected to a network switch or to a firewall/router that has more than one LAN port, you can increase it's transfer speed by aggregating the computer's LAN connections together. This is done in software.

    The computer and the network see the aggregated ports as a single network connection.
    If you have two gigabit LAN ports on the system and you have the approptiate software, it is seen as a single 2 Gigabit connection.

    The only reason to do it in this particular circumstance is if you have a home network or are in a networked environment at work.

    Multiple internet connections *can* be set up in a similar fashion, but it takes specific hardware and multiple connections to your ISP.
    That is both expensive and more complex than it's worth for the average user.
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  • dweilbacher - Thursday, May 19, 2011 - link

    "...in the OS I saw a constant 42x multiplier applied, with no SpeedStep down to 16x which is what we’ve seen on other boards."

    In the article you mentioned the OC Genie will OC, but turns off Speed Step (16x). So you are forced into a constant 42x speed. I saw this also and turned the Genie off. Then tried to manually overclock, but found any time I changed the multiplier to any value other than 33x (2500K), Speed Step was turned off.

    Is there any option in the MSI Bios to turn Speed Step ON when Overclocking?
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